Questions for next year

[kso_FAN]

It will probably depend how quickly Upshaw is able to step in and show he can give quality minutes.   

 

any quality minute from either of the freshmen bigs would be a surprise and a bonus.

i can see jones getting a lot of minutes, if he can improve his body and learn to play average defense (no reason why he couldn´t do both with a full year).

I have to think that at least one of the bigs will have an impact similar to Gip/Diaz.

And I think Jones will play, I think he was starting to come around to Frank's expectations @OU but the injury put that on hold. Frank tried to throw him out there the next few games when he wasn't 100% and before they figured out he had a broken bone in his ankle and it wasn't just a sprain.

[michigancat]

Is angel going to have the impact/production that pullen or clemente had by the time he us a junior or senior?  I don't believe he will.

I think there's a very good chance that he will. They're completely different players, but I don't think you realize how bad Clemente was as a freshman:

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/player/kansas-state/denis-clemente

[kso_FAN]

Is angel going to have the impact/production that pullen or clemente had by the time he us a junior or senior?  I don't believe he will.

I think there's a very good chance that he will. They're completely different players, but I don't think you realize how bad Clemente was as a freshman:

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/player/kansas-state/denis-clemente

Love statsheet for stuff like this!

[Lefty]

Forgot how average Jake's 3 point shooting was a freshman. I'd love some clips of a skinny freshman Denis running all over the place. Angel's to/assist rate is quite a bit higher.

If anything it show the drastic ability for improvement and reiterates how tough it is to find solid freshman PG.

[Panjandrum]

It will probably depend how quickly Upshaw is able to step in and show he can give quality minutes.    

 

any quality minute from either of the freshmen bigs would be a surprise and a bonus.


i can see jones getting a lot of minutes, if he can improve his body and learn to play average defense (no reason why he couldn´t do both with a full year).

Having a four man big rotation kind of hurt us against Texas.  Five additional fouls from either Moose or Upshaw probably would have helped a bit in that department.

Or not.  But given our defensive philosophy, having at least five guys playing in the paint will be a big deal.

[bigwillie20]

I remember being very  at Jake alot his FR year.  Angel will be fine

[catzacker]

Is angel going to have the impact/production that pullen or clemente had by the time he us a junior or senior?  I don't believe he will.

I think there's a very good chance that he will. They're completely different players, but I don't think you realize how bad Clemente was as a freshman:

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/player/kansas-state/denis-clemente

Love statsheet for stuff like this!

compelling,,,, but I've gone too far.  there's no turning back.  as a wise man once said, i've burned my ships and crossed the rubicon.

[steve dave]

Our retardiest fans hated the crap out of Denis all the way through his Jr. season with us and some way into his Sr. 

[JKEYS]

So, this year is over (<---this is just a cheapshot, not the point of the post, just let it go).  Looking ahead to next year:

1 – angel / jones / Sprads
2 – Sprads / Tay / jones
3 – McGruds / South
4 - ? / Nino? Watson?
5 – Gip / Diaz / JO / Upshaw / Euro

questions:
Who’s at the 4 spot?  I guess this is where Watson might not get Frank’d?  Nino is just awful, imo.  His really needed some PT this year to help his development.  I suppose Gip or Euro could be at the 4.  I suppose Frank could just go big, although I’m not found of that.

Will our guards be enough?  I dunno.  They aren't this year. 

’13, somehow someway, better include 2 top150-ish guards.  If somehow this staff coud pull a rabbit out of a hat for this class and get a top 150-ish guard then frank watson and omari.  I’m also kinda terrified of ’13 if Gip doesn’t develop into something special.  Angel will be better by then, but I don’t think he’s going to provide the scoring needed.  I don’t know where our scoring will come from then.

Traditional numbering doesn't really mean alot to Frank's lineups.  Simply a collection of guards and forwards.

Gip, Diaz, JO and Upshaw should get most of the run down low with some Nino mixed in (not counting on Moose next year - no show, charter school or RS IMO).  Same group as this year will be at the guard spots. Could see Jones getting Frank'd if a mys-tran becomes available tho...

[steve dave]

We are going to miss the crap out of Jamar

[kso_FAN]

compelling,,,, but I've gone too far.  there's no turning back.  as a wise man once said, i've burned my ships and crossed the rubicon.

Uhm, don't blend motivational stories like that please. Thanks.

[JKEYS]

We are going to miss the crap out of good Jamar.

Good Jamar will be missed.  Bad Jamar can be replaced pretty easily.  Was hoping for more consistency during this his RS Sr. year.

Love, love, love me some Jamar...but the double fouls, off-ball fouls and contortionist flops against bigger posts still leave me shaking my head sometimes.

[pissclams]

Our retardiest fans hated the crap out of Denis all the way through his Jr. season with us and some way into his Sr. 

count me in this group.  a very frustrating player to watch for clams.  i came around though, in the elite 8.

Is angel going to have the impact/production that pullen or clemente had by the time he us a junior or senior?  I don't believe he will.

a guard is only going to be as good as the players around him.  angel doesn't have what clemsies and pullsies had, and won't.

[steve dave]

We are going to miss the crap out of good Jamar.

Good Jamar will be missed.  Bad Jamar can be replaced pretty easily.  Was hoping for more consistency during this his RS Sr. year.

Love, love, love me some Jamar...but the double fouls, off-ball fouls and contortionist flops against bigger posts still leave me shaking my head sometimes.

Jamar does very important crap that most of our fanbase doesn't see because they are watching the ball get passed around the perimeter. 

[mcmwcat]

Jamar = good defensive efficiency for the team
Jamar = good OR% for the team
Jamar = FTR for the team

[catzacker]

Our retardiest fans hated the crap out of Denis all the way through his Jr. season with us and some way into his Sr. 

count me in this group.  a very frustrating player to watch for clams.  i came around though, in the elite 8.

Is angel going to have the impact/production that pullen or clemente had by the time he us a junior or senior?  I don't believe he will.

a guard is only going to be as good as the players around him.  angel doesn't have what clemsies and pullsies had, and won't.

this is kind of why I'm not regretting crossing the rubicon.  not only will angel not have pullen/clemente around him, he won't have 5* curtis kelly floppn' around down low.  maybe upshaw is the
real deal (<---I kind of like this name for him - Robert the Real Deal Upshaw).

[Panjandrum]

Jamar does very important crap that most of our fanbase doesn't see because they are watching the ball get passed around the perimeter. 

That pretty much says it all right there, man.

[michigancat]

Our retardiest fans hated the crap out of Denis all the way through his Jr. season with us and some way into his Sr. 

count me in this group.  a very frustrating player to watch for clams.  i came around though, in the elite 8.

Is angel going to have the impact/production that pullen or clemente had by the time he us a junior or senior?  I don't believe he will.

a guard is only going to be as good as the players around him.  angel doesn't have what clemsies and pullsies had, and won't.

this is kind of why I'm not regretting crossing the rubicon.  not only will angel not have pullen/clemente around him, he won't have 5* curtis kelly floppn' around down low.  maybe upshaw is the
real deal (<---I kind of like this name for him - Robert the Real Deal Upshaw).

I think you guys just made up a talking point that doesn't have much basis in reality. Yeah, life is easier when you're playing with Michael Beasley and Bill Walker as a freshman, but that doesn't make you the best you'll ever be.

[kougar24]

Is angel going to have the impact/production that pullen or clemente had by the time he us a junior or senior?  I don't believe he will.

I think there's a very good chance that he will. They're completely different players, but I don't think you realize how bad Clemente was as a freshman:

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/player/kansas-state/denis-clemente

Love statsheet for stuff like this!

compelling,,,, but I've gone too far.  there's no turning back.  as a wise man once said, i've burned my ships and crossed the rubicon.

Wouldn't it be hard to cross the Rubicon if you burn your ships first?

[pissclams]

Our retardiest fans hated the crap out of Denis all the way through his Jr. season with us and some way into his Sr. 

count me in this group.  a very frustrating player to watch for clams.  i came around though, in the elite 8.

Is angel going to have the impact/production that pullen or clemente had by the time he us a junior or senior?  I don't believe he will.

a guard is only going to be as good as the players around him.  angel doesn't have what clemsies and pullsies had, and won't.

this is kind of why I'm not regretting crossing the rubicon.  not only will angel not have pullen/clemente around him, he won't have 5* curtis kelly floppn' around down low.  maybe upshaw is the
real deal (<---I kind of like this name for him - Robert the Real Deal Upshaw).

I think you guys just made up a talking point that doesn't have much basis in reality. Yeah, life is easier when you're playing with Michael Beasley and Bill Walker as a freshman, but that doesn't make you the best you'll ever be.

no i didn't make up a talking point.
guards are more dependent upon the guards they share their offense with, as well as the bigs on their team more so than bigs are reliant on anyone else. 

go play contra if you want to be mr contra so much.

[michigancat]

I can see Upshaw/Gip/Diaz being comparable to CK/Jamar/LuCo.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Is angel going to have the impact/production that pullen or clemente had by the time he us a junior or senior?  I don't believe he will.

I think there's a very good chance that he will. They're completely different players, but I don't think you realize how bad Clemente was as a freshman:

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/player/kansas-state/denis-clemente

Love statsheet for stuff like this!

compelling,,,, but I've gone too far.  there's no turning back.  as a wise man once said, i've burned my ships and crossed the rubicon.

Wouldn't it be hard to cross the Rubicon if you burn your ships first?

Not necessarily.

[catzacker]

Is angel going to have the impact/production that pullen or clemente had by the time he us a junior or senior?  I don't believe he will.

I think there's a very good chance that he will. They're completely different players, but I don't think you realize how bad Clemente was as a freshman:

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/player/kansas-state/denis-clemente

Love statsheet for stuff like this!

compelling,,,, but I've gone too far.  there's no turning back.  as a wise man once said, i've burned my ships and crossed the rubicon.

Wouldn't it be hard to cross the Rubicon if you burn your ships first?

when you're in pursuit of perfection, everything is hard.

[pissclams]

I can see Upshaw/Gip/Diaz being comparable to CK/Jamar/LuCo.

now compare the guards.  okie dokie, we're done.  next!

[kougar24]

when you're in pursuit of perfection, everything is hard.