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I have to ask this because I just don't seem to understand...
« on: February 04, 2012, 10:54:29 PM »
If Obama is the most evil, radical, secular, socialist horrible human being in the history of the planet, and he is assuredly a one-term president (as I've heard ad nauseum from Republicans), why is this foursome from the Republicans the response to the most critical election in the history of Western civilization?

I mean, seriously, after Gingrich gets done carpet bombing Mitt Romney for the next several months heading into the convention, is there any possible way one of them could be Obama?  If he's so infinitely dislikable and he's as bad as Republicans want people to believe, why won't any of them run against them?

Santorum is still in it.  IN FEBRUARY.  I mean, it's like the people participating in these caucuses are taking crazy pills.


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Re: I have to ask this because I just don't seem to understand...
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2012, 11:54:31 PM »
pubs are split but even newtites would rather have romney than obama

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Re: I have to ask this because I just don't seem to understand...
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2012, 12:08:41 AM »
pubs are split but even newtites would rather have romney than obama

that's not the point.  the point is, if obama is as vulnerable/disliked as they like to paint him, why didn't any better candidates rise to challenge him?  it's a fair question.
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Re: I have to ask this because I just don't seem to understand...
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2012, 08:36:55 AM »
pubs are split but even newtites would rather have romney than obama

that's not the point.  the point is, if obama is as vulnerable/disliked as they like to paint him, why didn't any better candidates rise to challenge him?  it's a fair question.

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Re: I have to ask this because I just don't seem to understand...
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2012, 08:59:14 AM »
I agree no viable candidates exist for the republicans despite claims anyone that ran against him would win. I disagree that this was a weak field with the strongest candidates sitting it out for 2016. Unless you consider palin, fatfuck from jersey, or maybe rubio as potential heavyweights.
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Re: I have to ask this because I just don't seem to understand...
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2012, 09:00:32 AM »
I disagree with the premise that this is a weak field. Romney is a strong candidate, and I wouldn't discount Santorum either, based on recent head to head polling.

However, as for why more strong candidates did not run, there are a combination of factors at play. This is the best analysis I've found on the subject.

Also, this is going to be the nastiest election in American history.
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Re: I have to ask this because I just don't seem to understand...
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2012, 09:05:35 AM »
Did you consider Obama a good candidate 4 years ago?  When was the last time there was a good candidate out there?  I found one that I believe isn't in it for their own personal gain, but he's apparently a kook who is completely unelectable; and I'm a crazy bastard for liking him. :dunno:


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Re: I have to ask this because I just don't seem to understand...
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2012, 11:18:00 AM »
Did you consider Obama a good candidate 4 years ago?  When was the last time there was a good candidate out there?  I found one that I believe isn't in it for their own personal gain, but he's apparently a kook who is completely unelectable; and I'm a crazy bastard for liking him. :dunno:

Hey now, don't be so down on yourself. That's only true for Ron Paul supporters.
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Re: I have to ask this because I just don't seem to understand...
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2012, 12:17:51 PM »
If Obama is the most evil, radical, secular, socialist horrible human being in the history of the planet, and he is assuredly a one-term president (as I've heard ad nauseum from Republicans), why is this foursome from the Republicans the response to the most critical election in the history of Western civilization?

I mean, seriously, after Gingrich gets done carpet bombing Mitt Romney for the next several months heading into the convention, is there any possible way one of them could be Obama?  If he's so infinitely dislikable and he's as bad as Republicans want people to believe, why won't any of them run against them?

Santorum is still in it.  IN FEBRUARY.  I mean, it's like the people participating in these caucuses are taking crazy pills.

Love these.  "Republicans are crazy because I disagree with their ideas/ideals"

I don't know which republicans you're referring to, but I haven't heard any of that crap about Obama being a bad person, evil, etc.  Take away all that MSNBC made up crap and look at how good he is at his job.  Awful. 

The economy is a complete shithole and congress is in a stalemate thanks in large part to all the finger pointing from the guy that's supposed to be leading.  He has offered no economic policy (tax rich people more is not economic policy), our foreign policy is incoherent, and his only good idea, a comprehensive energy policy, has (like all his other platitudes) not come up since he generally referred to it in 2008.  The one thing he's done that he had any control over is Health Care and he totally mumped it up.

Look at the polls, Romney and Obama are essentially tied.  Unless the economy gets really good really fast Obama is going to be stuck defending his indefensible record this fall.  The Republicans have to beat a guy that by many different economic and fiscal metrics is IN FACT the worst president ever.

The real question is, who are all these crazy people who continue to support him?  Not sure "secular" is an appropriate term to describe the leader of that insane religion.
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Re: I have to ask this because I just don't seem to understand...
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2012, 12:31:53 PM »
Did you consider Obama a good candidate 4 years ago?  When was the last time there was a good candidate out there?  I found one that I believe isn't in it for their own personal gain, but he's apparently a kook who is completely unelectable; and I'm a crazy bastard for liking him. :dunno:


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Obama was one of the best candidates ever. I don't know if anybody could have beaten him last election. He's a weak candidate this election, but that is because he has been a very underwhelming president.

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Re: I have to ask this because I just don't seem to understand...
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2012, 12:42:19 PM »
Did you consider Obama a good candidate 4 years ago?  When was the last time there was a good candidate out there?  I found one that I believe isn't in it for their own personal gain, but he's apparently a kook who is completely unelectable; and I'm a crazy bastard for liking him. :dunno:


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Obama was one of the best candidates ever. I don't know if anybody could have beaten him last election. He's a weak candidate this election, but that is because he has been a very underwhelming president.

I think Romney would have beaten him in 2008. People forget that McCain was leading Obama in the polls prior to the economic meltdown in summer 08. McCain then completely bungled his response to the dire financial news (didn't he say something about briefly "suspending" his campaign?). Whereas with Romney, the collapse likely would have actually bolstered his support as the "competent CEO." Of course, Obama would have tried to tie Bain Capital to the collapse, but I don't think it would have worked.
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Re: I have to ask this because I just don't seem to understand...
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2012, 12:54:58 PM »

Once the meltdown occurred, the democrats would have had to completely withdraw from the electoral process not to win 2008.  Obama ran a fantastic campaign.  He even had that really popular logo, the "Obastika" or whatever its called.
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Re: I have to ask this because I just don't seem to understand...
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2012, 01:17:10 PM »
Did you consider Obama a good candidate 4 years ago?  When was the last time there was a good candidate out there?  I found one that I believe isn't in it for their own personal gain, but he's apparently a kook who is completely unelectable; and I'm a crazy bastard for liking him. :dunno:


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Obama was one of the best candidates ever. I don't know if anybody could have beaten him last election. He's a weak candidate this election, but that is because he has been a very underwhelming president.

If the media would have treated Obama like they're treating Romney, he would have never been elected. He was "chosen" by 95% of the media to be president, and they are going to do all they can to keep him.

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« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2012, 01:27:19 PM »
Did you consider Obama a good candidate 4 years ago?  When was the last time there was a good candidate out there?  I found one that I believe isn't in it for their own personal gain, but he's apparently a kook who is completely unelectable; and I'm a crazy bastard for liking him. :dunno:


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Obama was one of the best candidates ever. I don't know if anybody could have beaten him last election. He's a weak candidate this election, but that is because he has been a very underwhelming president.

If the media would have treated Obama like they're treating Romney, he would have never been elected. He was "chosen" by 95% of the media to be president, and they are going to do all they can to keep him.

Candidates aren't chosen by the media. Good candidates are good at manipulating the media. This is why Obama was one of the best candidates ever and he will probably get reelected despite the economy and everything else that has gone wrong over the last 4 years.

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« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2012, 01:51:13 PM »
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« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2012, 01:55:31 PM »
Did you consider Obama a good candidate 4 years ago?  When was the last time there was a good candidate out there?  I found one that I believe isn't in it for their own personal gain, but he's apparently a kook who is completely unelectable; and I'm a crazy bastard for liking him. :dunno:


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Obama was one of the best candidates ever. I don't know if anybody could have beaten him last election. He's a weak candidate this election, but that is because he has been a very underwhelming president.

If the media would have treated Obama like they're treating Romney, he would have never been elected. He was "chosen" by 95% of the media to be president, and they are going to do all they can to keep him.

Candidates aren't chosen by the media. Good candidates are good at manipulating the media. This is why Obama was one of the best candidates ever and he will probably get reelected despite the economy and everything else that has gone wrong over the last 4 years.

The media has the right to report, and not report, whatever they want. The manipulation took place within the media, not by Obama, and it was a large part of the public that was manipulated. He is just the chosen one.

If the media suddenly decided Romney was the guy, he would be a shoe in., no matter how nasty the campaign got.

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« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2012, 02:54:26 PM »
Candidates aren't chosen by the media. Good candidates are good at manipulating the media. This is why Obama was one of the best candidates ever and he will probably get reelected despite the economy and everything else that has gone wrong over the last 4 years.

Please don't pretend that there is not an overall liberal bias in the media. That is just insulting. Even if they're trying to maintain objectivity (which I question), it is a fact that most professional journalists are liberals and voted for Obama. Bias is inevitable. Liberal bias is inevitable when the vast majority of journalists are liberals.
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Candidates aren't chosen by the media. Good candidates are good at manipulating the media. This is why Obama was one of the best candidates ever and he will probably get reelected despite the economy and everything else that has gone wrong over the last 4 years.

Please don't pretend that there is not an overall liberal bias in the media. That is just insulting. Even if they're trying to maintain objectivity (which I question), it is a fact that most professional journalists are liberals and voted for Obama. Bias is inevitable. Liberal bias is inevitable when the vast majority of journalists are liberals.

Most college graduates, statistically, side liberal nationally.  So, yeah, most journalists probably skew liberal.

However, let's stay on point.  Why is Romney the best candidate?  Why not Mitch Daniels, Paul Ryan, etc.

When it comes to going up against a formidable campaign opponent in Obama, why do you trot out a guy that's pretty bland, ultra-wealthy (in a time where the economy is down), that is prone to putting his foot in his mouth.  Oh, he's also a Mormon, and that will make a difference to some people.

Put political points aside.   How is he supposed to compete with a very polished, smooth candidate that will most likely outspend him two to one?

There HAD to be a better option out there.  I'm just guessing, party rhetoric aside, that a lot of people think they can't beat Obama.  That's my only explanation.

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« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2012, 03:24:45 PM »
I would be a better president than pretty much anyone.

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« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2012, 03:32:56 PM »
Candidates aren't chosen by the media. Good candidates are good at manipulating the media. This is why Obama was one of the best candidates ever and he will probably get reelected despite the economy and everything else that has gone wrong over the last 4 years.

Please don't pretend that there is not an overall liberal bias in the media. That is just insulting. Even if they're trying to maintain objectivity (which I question), it is a fact that most professional journalists are liberals and voted for Obama. Bias is inevitable. Liberal bias is inevitable when the vast majority of journalists are liberals.

Most college graduates, statistically, side liberal nationally.  So, yeah, most journalists probably skew liberal.

However, let's stay on point.  Why is Romney the best candidate?  Why not Mitch Daniels, Paul Ryan, etc.

When it comes to going up against a formidable campaign opponent in Obama, why do you trot out a guy that's pretty bland, ultra-wealthy (in a time where the economy is down), that is prone to putting his foot in his mouth.  Oh, he's also a Mormon, and that will make a difference to some people.

Put political points aside.   How is he supposed to compete with a very polished, smooth candidate that will most likely outspend him two to one?

There HAD to be a better option out there.  I'm just guessing, party rhetoric aside, that a lot of people think they can't beat Obama.  That's my only explanation.

You need to articulate why Romney is a bad candidate.  Being rich and religious makes him just like every other presidential candidate ever.

Obama's tongue was valuable when he was an unknown, he's now stuck with his atrocious record.  Romney doesn't even have to run "negative" ads, he can just show everyone that what Obama says he's going to do and what he actually does are night and day different.  Then he can't point out that the country is like a ship without a rudder, no policy, no budget, no clue.

I do sense some deja vu with Romney and Kerry.  However, Kerry was running against a more popular guy (Bush 1st term averaged over 60% approval) with a much better economic record than the guy Romney is running against.  Even so, Kerry was Ohio from taking the election, iirc.
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« Reply #20 on: February 05, 2012, 04:03:20 PM »
Candidates aren't chosen by the media. Good candidates are good at manipulating the media. This is why Obama was one of the best candidates ever and he will probably get reelected despite the economy and everything else that has gone wrong over the last 4 years.

Please don't pretend that there is not an overall liberal bias in the media. That is just insulting. Even if they're trying to maintain objectivity (which I question), it is a fact that most professional journalists are liberals and voted for Obama. Bias is inevitable. Liberal bias is inevitable when the vast majority of journalists are liberals.

Most college graduates, statistically, side liberal nationally.  So, yeah, most journalists probably skew liberal.

However, let's stay on point.  Why is Romney the best candidate?  Why not Mitch Daniels, Paul Ryan, etc.

When it comes to going up against a formidable campaign opponent in Obama, why do you trot out a guy that's pretty bland, ultra-wealthy (in a time where the economy is down), that is prone to putting his foot in his mouth.  Oh, he's also a Mormon, and that will make a difference to some people.

Put political points aside.   How is he supposed to compete with a very polished, smooth candidate that will most likely outspend him two to one?

There HAD to be a better option out there.  I'm just guessing, party rhetoric aside, that a lot of people think they can't beat Obama.  That's my only explanation.

I don't know who the "best" candidate is - that is pure speculation. I simply said that Romney is a strong candidate. Also, I don't believe Romney being "ultra-wealthy" will hurt him, for two reasons: First, he earned it (as opposed to, say, John Kerry), by investing in businesses (and saving many from bankruptcy, no less). Second, we've had 4 years of a "poor" socialist, "community organizer" as president, and that didn't turn out so well, so who's to say a rich guy can't do a good job? I believe George Washington was the richest president in U.S. history.

And I'm too lazy to look up the numbers at the moment, but I would hazard a guess that journalists trend liberal far more than just all college grads. If I recall correctly, a recent poll of journalists found that something like 30% described themselves as liberal and 10% described themselves as conservative. The rest described themselves as "moderate," and let's not kid ourselves as to how most of those folks lean.
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« Reply #21 on: February 05, 2012, 05:02:01 PM »
Candidates aren't chosen by the media. Good candidates are good at manipulating the media. This is why Obama was one of the best candidates ever and he will probably get reelected despite the economy and everything else that has gone wrong over the last 4 years.

Please don't pretend that there is not an overall liberal bias in the media. That is just insulting. Even if they're trying to maintain objectivity (which I question), it is a fact that most professional journalists are liberals and voted for Obama. Bias is inevitable. Liberal bias is inevitable when the vast majority of journalists are liberals.

Most college graduates, statistically, side liberal nationally.  So, yeah, most journalists probably skew liberal.

However, let's stay on point.  Why is Romney the best candidate?  Why not Mitch Daniels, Paul Ryan, etc.

When it comes to going up against a formidable campaign opponent in Obama, why do you trot out a guy that's pretty bland, ultra-wealthy (in a time where the economy is down), that is prone to putting his foot in his mouth.  Oh, he's also a Mormon, and that will make a difference to some people.

Put political points aside.   How is he supposed to compete with a very polished, smooth candidate that will most likely outspend him two to one?

There HAD to be a better option out there.  I'm just guessing, party rhetoric aside, that a lot of people think they can't beat Obama.  That's my only explanation.

I don't know who the "best" candidate is - that is pure speculation. I simply said that Romney is a strong candidate. Also, I don't believe Romney being "ultra-wealthy" will hurt him, for two reasons: First, he earned it (as opposed to, say, John Kerry), by investing in businesses (and saving many from bankruptcy, no less). Second, we've had 4 years of a "poor" socialist, "community organizer" as president, and that didn't turn out so well, so who's to say a rich guy can't do a good job? I believe George Washington was the richest president in U.S. history.

And I'm too lazy to look up the numbers at the moment, but I would hazard a guess that journalists trend liberal far more than just all college grads. If I recall correctly, a recent poll of journalists found that something like 30% described themselves as liberal and 10% described themselves as conservative. The rest described themselves as "moderate," and let's not kid ourselves as to how most of those folks lean.

I'm sure that in your mind "moderate" is the same thing as "liberal", but in the real world, that is not the case at all.

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« Reply #22 on: February 05, 2012, 05:44:47 PM »
journalists trend mainstream, lazy and old.  if you think they lean strongly to either the right or the left, that just means that you trend strongly enough in one direction to view mainstream as distinct from your own views.
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« Reply #23 on: February 05, 2012, 09:19:47 PM »
A hardline repub/lib journalist has about as much say in the final product as an assembly line worker at an automotive plant.


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« Reply #24 on: February 05, 2012, 09:24:00 PM »
Id say it has more to do with writing being a "creative" thing, like painting, acting, and music.  Creative people are more liberal, feelings oriented people, just how the brain is wired, not some vast left wing conspiracy.
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