The Magic Number

[kougar24]

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My preferred system:

Not making the NIT : -3
Not making the NCAA: -2
Losing first round : -1  (I flip flop between this being a -1 and a 0)
First round win: 0  (I flip flop between this being a 0 and 1)
Making sweet sixteen: 2
Making Elite 8: 4
Making Final Four : 6
Making Champ Game: 8
Winning Champ: 10

Win Conference: 2
Win Conference Tourny: 1


I don't think top 4 or bottom 4 are necessary (will be reflected in making tournaments).

I think winning conference regular season should equal a final four.

I respectfully disagree.  Making the Final Four is much harder than winning your conference.   Apparently even more so in the Big 12.

It's harder in some ways, easier in others. A conference title is a more accurate indicator of the long-term strength of a program IMO. You can make it to a Final Four without beating a top 10 seed or by having several very favorable matchups, but there's no way you can win the Big 12 without some outstanding wins (and great talent).

Agree w/ this.

[massofcatfan]

Here is my system for scoring basketball coaches:

Beat KU: +10,000 points

Lose to KU: Negative eleventy-billion points

[SwiftCat]

Here is my system for scoring basketball coaches:

Beat KU: +10,000 points

Lose to KU: Negative eleventy-billion points

I hope this is a joke.

[massofcatfan]

Here is my system for scoring basketball coaches:

Beat KU: +10,000 points

Lose to KU: Negative eleventy-billion points

I hope this is a joke.

That was not a joke. This is a joke:

[MichiganisGood]

A  proposed system for determining when a coach should be fired.

A new coach shall start with 8 points.    When the coach reaches 0 (or less than 0) they should be fired.

Every year they do not make the NIT tournament they lose 3 points.

Every year they do not make the NCAA tournament they lose 2 points.

Every year they do not  make it past the first weekend they lose 1 point.

Making the second weekend is no loss or gain of points (this is the baseline expectation).

Making the Elite 8 is a gain of 1 point

Making the Final Four is a gain of 2 points

Making the champ game is a gain of 4 points

Winning the nat'l champ is worth 8 points

Winning the conference is a gain of 1 point

Winning the conference tournament is a gain of 1 point


Frank Marin
Starting :                  8 points
after 2007-2008     7 points
after 2008-2009     5 points
after 2009-2010     6 points
after 2010-2011     5 points

tweaks that should be added?  point adjustments?
 

I propose that teams who suck and hire a new coach get  12-14 points to start out depending on how bad the program they're taking over is..

For instance John Beilein our coach took over pure crap who hadn't been to the NCAA's in over a decade, he had us there in his 2nd season and winning our first round game.. He had us going again in year 4 and we are poised to go again this year with our highest seed yet, not to mention we have our first top 10 recruiting class in over a decade coming in for next season..

Yet, according to your system he'd have been fired last year.. 

[felix rex]

Totally agree on the conference regular season/high NCAA seed thing. Again, proximity to KU has warped our perceptions of both how difficult it is to win a conference and the connection between winning a conference and having success in the tourney. As was said, the NCAA is a crapshoot, so the more often you get your team a seat at the table with higher odds, the better.

[WildCatzPhreak]

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My preferred system:

Not making the NIT : -3
Not making the NCAA: -2
Losing first round : -1  (I flip flop between this being a -1 and a 0)
First round win: 0  (I flip flop between this being a 0 and 1)
Making sweet sixteen: 2
Making Elite 8: 4
Making Final Four : 6
Making Champ Game: 8
Winning Champ: 10

Win Conference: 2
Win Conference Tourny: 1


I don't think top 4 or bottom 4 are necessary (will be reflected in making tournaments).

I like this one Chings.  My feedback:
I think reasonable expectations for our program is somewhere between the round of 64 and 32.  As such I think making the round of 32 should be worth 1point, and losing in the first round should be worth 0 points. 

I think the point value for winning the conference should be comparable to an elite eight, and winning the conference tournament should be comparable to the sweet sixteen.

[CHONGS]

For michigancat...

[kstater]

This rough ridin' loser had no net loss.  eff

[michigancat]

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My preferred system:

Not making the NIT : -3
Not making the NCAA: -2
Losing first round : -1  (I flip flop between this being a -1 and a 0)
First round win: 0  (I flip flop between this being a 0 and 1)
Making sweet sixteen: 2
Making Elite 8: 4
Making Final Four : 6
Making Champ Game: 8
Winning Champ: 10

Win Conference: 2
Win Conference Tourny: 1


I don't think top 4 or bottom 4 are necessary (will be reflected in making tournaments).

I think winning conference regular season should equal a final four.

I respectfully disagree.  Making the Final Four is much harder than winning your conference.   Apparently even more so in the Big 12.

It's harder in some ways, easier in others. A conference title is a more accurate indicator of the long-term strength of a program IMO. You can make it to a Final Four without beating a top 10 seed or by having several very favorable matchups, but there's no way you can win the Big 12 without some outstanding wins (and great talent).

welp, I guess I was proven wrong in a big fat way. But I still think a conference title is worth an Elite Eight, at bare minimum.

[CHONGS]

Well if you "agree" with my "system" than oscar is standing at 1 right now.

[CHONGS]

Well if you "agree" with my "system" than oscar is standing at 1 right now.

and should be fired if we don't make the tournament next year (or lose in the first round again without winning the conference)

[michigancat]

Well if you "agree" with my "system" than oscar is standing at 1 right now.

He's not at 8? (zero net this year)

I would have started oscar w/ zero, though based on his history before he got here. And I'd make making the NCAA tourney the baseline and give him +4 for winning the conference.

[CHONGS]

Well if you "agree" with my "system" than oscar is standing at 1 right now.

He's not at 8? (zero net this year)

I would have started oscar w/ zero, though based on his history before he got here. And I'd make making the NCAA tourney the baseline and give him +4 for winning the conference.

he only gets a cushion if Frank left him with a negative (which he did not).

He started at zero. (+2 for winning reg season conf -1 for losing first round)

[CHONGS]

My preferred system:

The starting number for a coach is: half the negative points the previous coach left.  For instance if the last coach left a -6 you start at 11. (round up so  -7 gets you +4).  If the previous coach left positive points, let's say you start at 6.  When your coach reaches negative he should be fired.  Penalties are NOT cumulative, so if you miss the NIT you only lose 5 points (not 8 [for also missing the NCAA]).  Bonuses are only cumulative when adding tournament success plus regular season success.  In other words, making the Elite 8 gets you 4 points (not 7), but making the Elite 8 and winning the conference title will get you 7 (4 points for Elite 8 + 3 points for conference title).  The most points you can earn is 14 and the most you can lose is 5.

Not making the NIT : -5
Not making the NCAA: -3

Win Conference: 3
Win Conference Tourny: 1

Losing first round : 0  (I flip flop between this being a -1 and a 0)
First round win: 1 (I flip flop between this being a 0 and 1)
Making sweet sixteen: 2
Making Elite 8: 4
Making Final Four : 6
Making Champ Game: 8
Winning Champ: 10




I don't think top 4 or bottom 4 are necessary (will be reflected in making tournaments).

If oscar started at 6.

6 + (3) + (0) + (?)

If he misses the NIT this year then he will be sitting at 4.

I suspect under this system he would still be at Illinois...

[0.42]

you forgot to factor in losing to TCU and Tech in the same year, which should be -500

[Shooter Jones]

I'd put not making a post season tourney -6 and losing first round of NCAA as a higher seed at -1, lower seed 0, win +1.

[The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep]

there should be an adjustment factor on all points based on the % of recruiting classes that are yours or you had influence on. so oscar's first year he would have 25% of the points gained or lost, then 50% and this year 75%. next year he will be fully vested.

6 + (.25*3) + (.5*0) + (.75*-5) = 3.

Miss the post-season next year and oscar should be gone.

[CHONGS]

come one guys, don't tweak the system to get the results you want.  they are what they are.

[The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep]

you tweaked your system 

[The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep]

also the result i want is for oscar to be at 0, not 3.

[ChiComCat]

In my system you start with 10 unless you are a loser like oscar Weber

[PBLIllini]

Do you start with less points if you inherit a really good team?  Or is that too unfair?

According to my math...I think it looks like we fired oscar in the appropriate year.  He would have been sitting at -1 in 2012.  Though I think he should have started with a shorter rope since he inherited a top 10 team.

[CHONGS]

you tweaked your system 

some are above the law

[Shooter Jones]

come one guys, don't tweak the system to get the results you want.  they are what they are.

you even said you flip flop on first round tourney games. winning a tourney game should get a point, that kind of means you're somewhat basically a top 30 team. Losing as a lower seed should be meh and get 0, but being upset as the higher seeded team should be -1 for sure, maybe more if you're seeded like way really a lot higher.