We will never be bad

[michigancat]

I feel like nearly all of your posts on this subject have the intent of building up and then burning down strawmen.  No one thinks that it would have been close to a given that we won if jones and Southwell played.  Do you really think that people are that dumb? 

Yes, I absolutely believe people are that dumb.

Also the post defense was very good, it sucked in Norman, the guards defended much worse this time.  They did nothing right.  The points that KU guards scored were obvious, but there were other things.  Those three live worked because we played so far off of the guards when they had the ball because that was the only way we could keep them in front of us.

Still was pretty good defense overall.

[0.42]

welcome back beems

[sys]

Jones does alright keeping people in front of him most of the time.

no he doesn't.  he's gotten a little better, but his first few games, he challenged for among the worst d1 defenders i've ever seen.


when i say he's gotten a little better, i mean he still sucks.

[Stevesie60]

You guys will blow out KU in Manhattan, finish 4th in the conference, and all will be right with the world again.  

You're saying this because you know how your predictions always turn out, aren't you?

[kim carnes]

Jones does alright keeping people in front of him most of the time.

no he doesn't.  he's gotten a little better, but his first few games, he challenged for among the worst d1 defenders i've ever seen.


when i say he's gotten a little better, i mean he still sucks.

Our defense sucks for the most part imo, so who cares?

[pissclams]

jones defense is fine, love the powertards saying anything different. 

[SoonerHoopsfan]

[Underdog Wildcat]

Capel's awesome recruiting is finally starting to bear its fruits. 'Grats

[wabash909]

Jones does alright keeping people in front of him most of the time.

no he doesn't.  he's gotten a little better, but his first few games, he challenged for among the worst d1 defenders i've ever seen.


when i say he's gotten a little better, i mean he still sucks.

Our defense sucks for the most part imo, so who cares?

I think if I'm following it's better for Will Spradling to get abused for 40 minutes on the defensive end while he chucks basketballs off the side of the backboard and turns it over on offense as opposed to Jeremy Jones getting abused on defense and turning it over but actually hitting a few wide open jump shots.

Pretty sure this is the main point being made here.

[06wildcat]

I hate this talking point.  We've already been pretty damn close to great,if not actually great.  Getting a 2 seed isn't something to sneeze at.  We'll get there again under Frank.  

The problem is we could wait another 20 years to get a 2 seed at the rate we're going. I have no problem if Frank wants to recruit 2 and 3 star players so long as he develops them. Instead, Frank recruits 2 and 3 star high school players, runs them off and replaces them with juco players who never play.

Counting this year, we'll have had 1 guard that played all four years under Frank that actually made a significant contribution and 1 transfer that played for 2 years. It's incredibly tough to win consistently in college basketball with 2 and 3 star players who are freshmen and sophomores.

And having a really good year doesn't equal being great. Being great involves keeping it going, building on previous successes. It doesn't mean that the 2 years after getting a number 2 seed it's the end of January and fans are questioning how many NIT games the team will host.

[michigancat]

I hate this talking point.  We've already been pretty damn close to great,if not actually great.  Getting a 2 seed isn't something to sneeze at.  We'll get there again under Frank. 

The problem is we could wait another 20 years to get a 2 seed at the rate we're going. I have no problem if Frank wants to recruit 2 and 3 star players so long as he develops them. Instead, Frank recruits 2 and 3 star high school players, runs them off and replaces them with juco players who never play.

Counting this year, we'll have had 1 guard that played all four years under Frank that actually made a significant contribution and 1 transfer that played for 2 years. It's incredibly tough to win consistently in college basketball with 2 and 3 star players who are freshmen and sophomores.

Seems like you think we're pretty close to being great.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I hate this talking point.  We've already been pretty damn close to great,if not actually great.  Getting a 2 seed isn't something to sneeze at.  We'll get there again under Frank.  

The problem is we could wait another 20 years to get a 2 seed at the rate we're going. I have no problem if Frank wants to recruit 2 and 3 star players so long as he develops them. Instead, Frank recruits 2 and 3 star high school players, runs them off and replaces them with juco players who never play.

Counting this year, we'll have had 1 guard that played all four years under Frank that actually made a significant contribution and 1 transfer that played for 2 years. It's incredibly tough to win consistently in college basketball with 2 and 3 star players who are freshmen and sophomores.

And having a really good year doesn't equal being great. Being great involves keeping it going, building on previous successes. It doesn't mean that the 2 years after getting a number 2 seed it's the end of January and fans are questioning how many NIT games the team will host.

What 2 star player did Frank recruit?

[06wildcat]

I hate this talking point.  We've already been pretty damn close to great,if not actually great.  Getting a 2 seed isn't something to sneeze at.  We'll get there again under Frank. 

The problem is we could wait another 20 years to get a 2 seed at the rate we're going. I have no problem if Frank wants to recruit 2 and 3 star players so long as he develops them. Instead, Frank recruits 2 and 3 star high school players, runs them off and replaces them with juco players who never play.

Counting this year, we'll have had 1 guard that played all four years under Frank that actually made a significant contribution and 1 transfer that played for 2 years. It's incredibly tough to win consistently in college basketball with 2 and 3 star players who are freshmen and sophomores.

Seems like you think we're pretty close to being great.

We're pretty close to being slightly above average.

Criteria for being great:
5 consecutive NCAA tourney appearances (Not met)
1 EE/FF, 3 SS, maximum of 1 first round loss (Met)
2 seasons of being ranked all year (Not met)
Top 15 ranking in 3 of 5 years at some point (Not met)
1 30+ win season (Have never met)
Limit WTF home losses to 1 every 2 years. (LOL)

[nicname]

I hate this talking point.  We've already been pretty damn close to great,if not actually great.  Getting a 2 seed isn't something to sneeze at.  We'll get there again under Frank.  

The problem is we could wait another 20 years to get a 2 seed at the rate we're going. I have no problem if Frank wants to recruit 2 and 3 star players so long as he develops them. Instead, Frank recruits 2 and 3 star high school players, runs them off and replaces them with juco players who never play.

Counting this year, we'll have had 1 guard that played all four years under Frank that actually made a significant contribution and 1 transfer that played for 2 years. It's incredibly tough to win consistently in college basketball with 2 and 3 star players who are freshmen and sophomores.

And having a really good year doesn't equal being great. Being great involves keeping it going, building on previous successes. It doesn't mean that the 2 years after getting a number 2 seed it's the end of January and fans are questioning how many NIT games the team will host.

Unless you're Duke, Kansas, UNC, etc.  there will always be peaks and valleys.  Kansas State will never be a consistently great program.  There are only a handful of "elites" that can even sniff that.  Being consistently good and having the occasional great season is good enough for any rational fan. 

[Cartierfor3]

We're pretty close to being slightly above average.

Criteria for being great:
5 consecutive NCAA tourney appearances (Not met)
1 EE/FF, 3 SS, maximum of 1 first round loss (Met)
2 seasons of being ranked all year (Not met)
Top 15 ranking in 3 of 5 years at some point (Not met)
1 30+ win season (Have never met)
Limit WTF home losses to 1 every 2 years. (LOL)

You have no understanding of what is average in college basketball bro. 

[wetwillie]

I hate this talking point.  We've already been pretty damn close to great,if not actually great.  Getting a 2 seed isn't something to sneeze at.  We'll get there again under Frank. 

The problem is we could wait another 20 years to get a 2 seed at the rate we're going. I have no problem if Frank wants to recruit 2 and 3 star players so long as he develops them. Instead, Frank recruits 2 and 3 star high school players, runs them off and replaces them with juco players who never play.

Counting this year, we'll have had 1 guard that played all four years under Frank that actually made a significant contribution and 1 transfer that played for 2 years. It's incredibly tough to win consistently in college basketball with 2 and 3 star players who are freshmen and sophomores.

Seems like you think we're pretty close to being great.

We're pretty close to being slightly above average.

Criteria for being great:
5 consecutive NCAA tourney appearances (Not met)
1 EE/FF, 3 SS, maximum of 1 first round loss (Met)
2 seasons of being ranked all year (Not met)
Top 15 ranking in 3 of 5 years at some point (Not met)
1 30+ win season (Have never met)
Limit WTF home losses to 1 every 2 years. (LOL)

just bring your expectations in line with making the tournament every year, this isn't hard.

[michigancat]

I hate this talking point.  We've already been pretty damn close to great,if not actually great.  Getting a 2 seed isn't something to sneeze at.  We'll get there again under Frank. 

The problem is we could wait another 20 years to get a 2 seed at the rate we're going. I have no problem if Frank wants to recruit 2 and 3 star players so long as he develops them. Instead, Frank recruits 2 and 3 star high school players, runs them off and replaces them with juco players who never play.

Counting this year, we'll have had 1 guard that played all four years under Frank that actually made a significant contribution and 1 transfer that played for 2 years. It's incredibly tough to win consistently in college basketball with 2 and 3 star players who are freshmen and sophomores.

Seems like you think we're pretty close to being great.

We're pretty close to being slightly above average.

Criteria for being great:
5 consecutive NCAA tourney appearances (Not met)
1 EE/FF, 3 SS, maximum of 1 first round loss (Met)
2 seasons of being ranked all year (Not met)
Top 15 ranking in 3 of 5 years at some point (Not met)
1 30+ win season (Have never met)
Limit WTF home losses to 1 every 2 years. (LOL)

It wouldn't be too difficult to meet those strange criteria with slightly better recruiting and roster management. Which was my point.

[OregonSmock]

You guys will blow out KU in Manhattan, finish 4th in the conference, and all will be right with the world again.  

You're saying this because you know how your predictions always turn out, aren't you?

Huh?  I've had like two or three wrong predictions in my entire time posting here, and those were mainly due to the fluke '09 football season and Turner Gill.  Don't be a hater. 

[Cartierfor3]

You guys will blow out KU in Manhattan, finish 4th in the conference, and all will be right with the world again.  

You're saying this because you know how your predictions always turn out, aren't you?

Huh?  I've had like two or three wrong predictions in my entire time posting here, and those were mainly due to the fluke '09 football season and Turner Gill.  Don't be a hater. 

[Stevesie60]

Just off the top of my head, you predicted K-State to beat KU at AFH the last two years, KU to beat K-State this year in football, K-State to beat OU in football and Leach to be HC at KU.

[06wildcat]

I hate this talking point.  We've already been pretty damn close to great,if not actually great.  Getting a 2 seed isn't something to sneeze at.  We'll get there again under Frank. 

The problem is we could wait another 20 years to get a 2 seed at the rate we're going. I have no problem if Frank wants to recruit 2 and 3 star players so long as he develops them. Instead, Frank recruits 2 and 3 star high school players, runs them off and replaces them with juco players who never play.

Counting this year, we'll have had 1 guard that played all four years under Frank that actually made a significant contribution and 1 transfer that played for 2 years. It's incredibly tough to win consistently in college basketball with 2 and 3 star players who are freshmen and sophomores.

Seems like you think we're pretty close to being great.

We're pretty close to being slightly above average.

Criteria for being great:
5 consecutive NCAA tourney appearances (Not met)
1 EE/FF, 3 SS, maximum of 1 first round loss (Met)
2 seasons of being ranked all year (Not met)
Top 15 ranking in 3 of 5 years at some point (Not met)
1 30+ win season (Have never met)
Limit WTF home losses to 1 every 2 years. (LOL)

It wouldn't be too difficult to meet those strange criteria with slightly better recruiting and roster management. Which was my point.

What's so strange about those criteria?

Also, I think we're on the same page regarding recruiting/roster management. Though I'm not hopeful for either to improve in the near future under Frank.

[OregonSmock]

Just off the top of my head, you predicted K-State to beat KU at AFH the last two years, KU to beat K-State this year in football, K-State to beat OU in football and Leach to be HC at KU.

wut



 



PS - I predicted K-State would win 59-17.  They won 59-21.  



 

[OregonSmock]

This is awesome, though.  I predict K-State to blow out KU in Manhattan and I get nothing but sh*t for it.  Reminds me of the Republicans in Congress who vote against anything Obama tries to put forth, even it means voting against extending tax cuts. 


 

[Stevesie60]

Just off the top of my head, you predicted K-State to beat KU at AFH the last two years, KU to beat K-State this year in football, K-State to beat OU in football and Leach to be HC at KU.

wut



 



PS - I predicted K-State would win 59-17.  They won 59-21.  



 

Sorry, I wrongfully accused you of those two. But didn't you bet on KU last year in the OOD?

[OregonSmock]

Just off the top of my head, you predicted K-State to beat KU at AFH the last two years, KU to beat K-State this year in football, K-State to beat OU in football and Leach to be HC at KU.

wut



 



PS - I predicted K-State would win 59-17.  They won 59-21.  



 

Sorry, I wrongfully accused you of those two. But didn't you bet on KU last year in the OOD?

Not sure.  I've been wrong before.  I will be wrong again.  I'll always have Briscoe >>> Lamark, though.