Defense (OSU adv stats)

[kso_FAN]

3rd best defensive eFG%  ever in Big 12 games under Frank. 35.9% is just silly.

But it was still one of the most frustrating wins I've ever watched. Man, that was ugly. I would call it a grinder, but it didn't feel like a grinder, it just felt like bad basketball (by both teams).

At the end of the day, take the win and go home.

1st   Pace   PPP   eFG%   TO%   OR%   FTR
KSU   33   0.93   46.6%   30.1%   50.0%   48.3%
Opp   33   0.72   32.0%   27.1%   26.3%   40.0%

2nd   Pace   PPP   eFG%   TO%   OR%   FTR
KSU   34   1.02   30.8%   17.6%   47.8%   100.0%
Opp   34   0.99   40.5%   20.5%   6.7%   90.5%

Total   Pace   PPP   eFG%   TO%   OR%   FTR
KSU   68   0.97   39.1%   23.6%   48.9%   72.7%
Opp   68   0.85   35.9%   23.6%   17.6%   63.0%

[CHONGS]

shut down paige

i think if gip didn't get that T this is not as close as turned out to be.

[kso_FAN]

shut down paige

i think if gip didn't get that T this is not as close as turned out to be.

True.

Our 2nd half shooting was pretty terrible though. 30.8%?!?!

But Oboards and actually making some FTs helped us hold them off.

[GoodForAnother]

shut down paige

i think if gip didn't get that T this is not as close as turned out to be.

Gip Ross was dominating until the goddamn pigs came after his stash

[CHONGS]

I know OSU is not good this year, but it has been so long that a win in Stillwater makes me feel really happy.  

[sys]

osu helped, but kstate was good.

[ChiComCat]

I know OSU is not good this year, but it has been so long that a win in Stillwater makes me feel really happy. 

Yea, I don't care how, its just nice to have @ OSU done with a W

[MakeItRain]

osu helped, but kstate was good.

They took poor shots, had no movement and were really impatient.  Does Paige not have the ability to get himself open off of picks?  Travis Ford is terrible.

[kso_FAN]

osu helped, but kstate was good.

They took poor shots, had no movement and were really impatient.  Does Paige not have the ability to get himself open off of picks?  Travis Ford is terrible.

Some of their problems were because of our defense, but they are bad. I'm embarrassed I thought Nash might be good.

[MakeItRain]

osu helped, but kstate was good.

They took poor shots, had no movement and were really impatient.  Does Paige not have the ability to get himself open off of picks?  Travis Ford is terrible.

Some of their problems were because of our defense, but they are bad. I'm embarrassed I thought Nash might be good.

When horrible coaches happen to good players see Martin, Cartier.

[wetwillie]

osu helped, but kstate was good.

They took poor shots, had no movement and were really impatient.  Does Paige not have the ability to get himself open off of picks?  Travis Ford is terrible.

I don't think even Marcus Smart could save Ford's job.

[felix rex]

osu helped, but kstate was good.

They took poor shots, had no movement and were really impatient.  Does Paige not have the ability to get himself open off of picks?

Agreed. I know Paige not hitting was an automatic talking point, but he was not getting good looks.

[Powercat Posse]

at one point OK St was 11-39 FG and 0-13 from deep.    Combination of us playing solid D, them taking some bad shots and Paige having an off game

UGLY ball is right = from the 16:45 to the 10:00 mark in the 2nd half our possesions were bad..... we scored ony 4 pts.   But our lead stays in tact (OK St scored 5 pts)

But us being Plus 21 on the boards and hitting 73% of our FTS in the 2nd ...... that was enough to get us a road win.

[MakeItRain]

at one point OK St was 11-39 FG and 0-13 from deep.    Combination of us playing solid D, them taking some bad shots and Paige having an off game

UGLY ball is right = from the 16:45 to the 10:00 mark in the 2nd half our possesions were bad..... we scored ony 4 pts.   But our lead stays in tact (OK St scored 5 pts)

But us being Plus 21 on the boards and hitting 73% of our FTS in the 2nd ...... that was enough to get us a road win.

I hope the Paige thing doesn't become a prevailing talking point (I know it will).  Howard and Armstrong kept talking about him like he's JJ Redick.  He scored over his average.  If web are going to focus on Paige let's focus on how many shots he forced against defense.

[catzacker]

But it was still one of the most frustrating wins I've ever watched. Man, that was ugly. I would call it a grinder, but it didn't feel like a grinder, it just felt like bad basketball (by both teams).

At the end of the day, take the win and go home.

It's like this team has an allergic reaction at the 5 minute mark of the second half.  But, oh well, we won this time.  

The baylor loss is even more painful now.

[kso_FAN]

The baylor loss is even more painful now.

Yeah, I thought that too.

[MakeItRain]

The baylor loss is even more painful now.

Yeah, I thought that too.

Why?

[catzacker]

The baylor loss is even more painful now.

Yeah, I thought that too.

Why?

opportunity lost.  especially in reference to our play in the last 5 minutes of games. 

[kso_FAN]

The baylor loss is even more painful now.

Yeah, I thought that too.

Why?

Because I still think its a game we should've won. Seeing Missouri not just win, but really control the 2nd half, makes it a bit more frustrating. Nothing can be done about it now I guess.

[MakeItRain]

The baylor loss is even more painful now.

Yeah, I thought that too.

Why?

opportunity lost.  especially in reference to our play in the last 5 minutes of games. 

Opportunity for what?  To be 2 games out 1/3 of the way through the conference schedule?  Every team is going to have games they "should have won." Do they all get do-overs?  The Baylor means little to nothing to the big picture at this point.

[catzacker]

The baylor loss is even more painful now.

Yeah, I thought that too.

Why?

opportunity lost.  especially in reference to our play in the last 5 minutes of games. 

Opportunity for what?  To be 2 games out 1/3 of the way through the conference schedule?  Every team is going to have games they "should have won." Do they all get do-overs?  The Baylor means little to nothing to the big picture at this point.

i'm not asking for pixie dust or a time machine, simply saying that it's painful to watch a team w/ 6 players go to baylor and beat them when we had them with 5 minutes to go and couldn't close it out.  just kind of picked at an old wound.  if the big picture is winning the big 12, home losses have a lot to do with it.  but, i know, having expecations for this team is awful. and I could give two sh*ts about your "winning the big 12 is an unreasonable expectation for this team" so just save that.

[MakeItRain]

The baylor loss is even more painful now.

Yeah, I thought that too.

Why?

opportunity lost.  especially in reference to our play in the last 5 minutes of games. 

Opportunity for what?  To be 2 games out 1/3 of the way through the conference schedule?  Every team is going to have games they "should have won." Do they all get do-overs?  The Baylor means little to nothing to the big picture at this point.

i'm not asking for pixie dust or a time machine, simply saying that it's painful to watch a team w/ 6 players go to baylor and beat them when we had them with 5 minutes to go and couldn't close it out.  just kind of picked at an old wound.  if the big picture is winning the big 12, home losses have a lot to do with it.  but, i know, having expecations for this team is awful. and I could give two sh*ts about your "winning the big 12 is an unreasonable expectation for this team" so just save that.

lolwut?  If winning the conference is the talking point the KU loss was much more damaging.  Like I said a win against Baylor would have put us in 3rd place 2 games behind the conference leader, not exactly a prime position.  Now that we have the benefit of hindsight the OU loss was no more damaging than the Baylor loss.  Point is everyone loses teeth knashing over individual games here or there is pretty pointless.

[kso_FAN]

The baylor loss is even more painful now.

Yeah, I thought that too.

Why?

opportunity lost.  especially in reference to our play in the last 5 minutes of games. 

Opportunity for what?  To be 2 games out 1/3 of the way through the conference schedule?  Every team is going to have games they "should have won." Do they all get do-overs?  The Baylor means little to nothing to the big picture at this point.

i'm not asking for pixie dust or a time machine, simply saying that it's painful to watch a team w/ 6 players go to baylor and beat them when we had them with 5 minutes to go and couldn't close it out.  just kind of picked at an old wound.  if the big picture is winning the big 12, home losses have a lot to do with it.  but, i know, having expecations for this team is awful. and I could give two sh*ts about your "winning the big 12 is an unreasonable expectation for this team" so just save that.

lolwut?  If winning the conference is the talking point the KU loss was much more damaging.  Like I said a win against Baylor would have put us in 3rd place 2 games behind the conference leader, not exactly a prime position.  Now that we have the benefit of hindsight the OU loss was no more damaging than the Baylor loss.  Point is everyone loses teeth knashing over individual games here or there is pretty pointless.

Come on, that's part of bring a fan for 90% of fans. And I'm sure zacker is thinking had we beat BU its likely we win at OU too, but that's speculation. Both were frustrating losses and I have no problem with zacker or anyone being disappointed with either one.

[sonofdaxjones]

Really good defense.

Needed it.

[MakeItRain]

The baylor loss is even more painful now.

Yeah, I thought that too.

Why?

opportunity lost.  especially in reference to our play in the last 5 minutes of games. 

Opportunity for what?  To be 2 games out 1/3 of the way through the conference schedule?  Every team is going to have games they "should have won." Do they all get do-overs?  The Baylor means little to nothing to the big picture at this point.

i'm not asking for pixie dust or a time machine, simply saying that it's painful to watch a team w/ 6 players go to baylor and beat them when we had them with 5 minutes to go and couldn't close it out.  just kind of picked at an old wound.  if the big picture is winning the big 12, home losses have a lot to do with it.  but, i know, having expecations for this team is awful. and I could give two sh*ts about your "winning the big 12 is an unreasonable expectation for this team" so just save that.

lolwut?  If winning the conference is the talking point the KU loss was much more damaging.  Like I said a win against Baylor would have put us in 3rd place 2 games behind the conference leader, not exactly a prime position.  Now that we have the benefit of hindsight the OU loss was no more damaging than the Baylor loss.  Point is everyone loses teeth knashing over individual games here or there is pretty pointless.

Come on, that's part of bring a fan for 90% of fans. And I'm sure zacker is thinking had we beat BU its likely we win at OU too, but that's speculation. Both were frustrating losses and I have no problem with zacker or anyone being disappointed with either one.

So because 90% of fans do it that makes it okay?  There are many things that 90% of sports fans do/think that are irrational.  And stop changing the conversation, no one said you shouldn't be disappointed about individual losses, that isn't even what this conversation is about.  You and zacker lamented the Baylor loss because of greater impact, he specifically mentioned the conference race.  I simply pointed out that the impact of the Baylor game with regards to the conference race is no more important than the OU game or any other random game KSU, KU, KU, Baylor, or ISU will lose.  Of course losing to Baylor or any other team is disappointing, ridiculous to think anyone believes otherwise.