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Re: Chisholm Trail Peggy Po's Nancy Neg's (The Return of the OOD!)
« Reply #50 on: January 20, 2012, 02:02:08 PM »
The difference I noticed in this particular set is that the offensive players sacrificed a potential better scoring position (not rolling to the basket after the pick) for better rebounding position.  Like I said I'm probably late to the party noticing this.

Great analysis, and yeah, he's been doing this for a while. I'm pretty sure some (all?) of his out of bounds plays have elements designed specifically to put players in good rebounding position. All of Frank's teams have been top 6 nationally in OR%, and it's because of plays like this. It almost makes the first shot a "bonus" shot. I think it's great, personally, but I can see why a lot of fans don't understand or appreciate it.

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Re: Chisholm Trail Peggy Po's Nancy Neg's (The Return of the OOD!)
« Reply #51 on: January 20, 2012, 02:12:22 PM »
The difference I noticed in this particular set is that the offensive players sacrificed a potential better scoring position (not rolling to the basket after the pick) for better rebounding position.  Like I said I'm probably late to the party noticing this.

Great analysis, and yeah, he's been doing this for a while. I'm pretty sure some (all?) of his out of bounds plays have elements designed specifically to put players in good rebounding position. All of Frank's teams have been top 6 nationally in OR%, and it's because of plays like this. It almost makes the first shot a "bonus" shot. I think it's great, personally, but I can see why a lot of fans don't understand or appreciate it.

I love Frank's style of basketball mainly because you can win a lot of different ways (or different styles of games) and the things he emphasizes (rebounding and defense) are things that (in theory) you can do consistently well. Also, IMO you can recruit the way he recruits and win consistently because you don't always have to have the most skilled or elite players.

However, we've seen plenty of the negative; I really think he has to Frank around with players because if his teams don't at least match the effort of the opponent (if not surpass it) then we aren't going to win.

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Re: Chisholm Trail Peggy Po's Nancy Neg's (The Return of the OOD!)
« Reply #52 on: January 20, 2012, 02:41:11 PM »




However, we've seen plenty of the negative; I really think he has to Frank around with players because if his teams don't at least match the effort of the opponent (if not surpass it) then we aren't going to win.

His style with his recruits takes away a lot of margin of error.  No great ability to make up for lapses.  This is why something would have to change for us to be consistently fantastic.  Consistently really good is achievable.

We are always one very stressed 19yr old headcase away from being slightly( to very) mumped for a few games in a row.

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Re: Chisholm Trail Peggy Po's Nancy Neg's (The Return of the OOD!)
« Reply #53 on: January 20, 2012, 02:52:22 PM »
The difference I noticed in this particular set is that the offensive players sacrificed a potential better scoring position (not rolling to the basket after the pick) for better rebounding position.  Like I said I'm probably late to the party noticing this.

Great analysis, and yeah, he's been doing this for a while. I'm pretty sure some (all?) of his out of bounds plays have elements designed specifically to put players in good rebounding position. All of Frank's teams have been top 6 nationally in OR%, and it's because of plays like this. It almost makes the first shot a "bonus" shot. I think it's great, personally, but I can see why a lot of fans don't understand or appreciate it.

Denis used to do this with some of his floaters...he'd see a guy in position for the o-board and he'd rush a floater toward the basket...looked like he was tossing it up there and it it happened to go in, great, but he wasn't taking his time to line it up, just trying to at least get it to the rim so someone could o-board and finish.

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Re: Chisholm Trail Peggy Po's Nancy Neg's (The Return of the OOD!)
« Reply #54 on: January 20, 2012, 03:05:34 PM »




However, we've seen plenty of the negative; I really think he has to Frank around with players because if his teams don't at least match the effort of the opponent (if not surpass it) then we aren't going to win.

His style with his recruits takes away a lot of margin of error.  No great ability to make up for lapses.  This is why something would have to change for us to be consistently fantastic.  Consistently really good is achievable.

We are always one very stressed 19yr old headcase away from being slightly( to very) mumped for a few games in a row.

This is true for every team in the country, literally everyone.  Bill Self is skewing your view.

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Re: Chisholm Trail Peggy Po's Nancy Neg's (The Return of the OOD!)
« Reply #55 on: January 20, 2012, 03:10:07 PM »




However, we've seen plenty of the negative; I really think he has to Frank around with players because if his teams don't at least match the effort of the opponent (if not surpass it) then we aren't going to win.

His style with his recruits takes away a lot of margin of error.  No great ability to make up for lapses.  This is why something would have to change for us to be consistently fantastic.  Consistently really good is achievable.

We are always one very stressed 19yr old headcase away from being slightly( to very) mumped for a few games in a row.

This is true for every team in the country, literally everyone.  Bill Self is skewing your view.

Perhaps.  I suppose it is pretty similar to living and dying by the three.

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Re: Chisholm Trail Peggy Po's Nancy Neg's (The Return of the OOD!)
« Reply #56 on: January 20, 2012, 04:02:08 PM »




However, we've seen plenty of the negative; I really think he has to Frank around with players because if his teams don't at least match the effort of the opponent (if not surpass it) then we aren't going to win.

His style with his recruits takes away a lot of margin of error.  No great ability to make up for lapses.  This is why something would have to change for us to be consistently fantastic.  Consistently really good is achievable.

We are always one very stressed 19yr old headcase away from being slightly( to very) mumped for a few games in a row.

This is true for every team in the country, literally everyone.  Bill Self is skewing your view.


yes, but the results/consequences are quite different.  ksu, the margin for error relates to making the NIT vs. NCAA, at KU it is winning the league or not winning the league. 

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Re: Chisholm Trail Peggy Po's Nancy Neg's (The Return of the OOD!)
« Reply #57 on: January 20, 2012, 04:09:52 PM »
who give a crap about how we compare to ku?

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Re: Chisholm Trail Peggy Po's Nancy Neg's (The Return of the OOD!)
« Reply #58 on: January 20, 2012, 10:21:00 PM »




However, we've seen plenty of the negative; I really think he has to Frank around with players because if his teams don't at least match the effort of the opponent (if not surpass it) then we aren't going to win.

His style with his recruits takes away a lot of margin of error.  No great ability to make up for lapses.  This is why something would have to change for us to be consistently fantastic.  Consistently really good is achievable.

We are always one very stressed 19yr old headcase away from being slightly( to very) mumped for a few games in a row.

This is true for every team in the country, literally everyone.  Bill Self is skewing your view.

Perhaps.  I suppose it is pretty similar to living and dying by the three.


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Re: Chisholm Trail Peggy Po's Nancy Neg's (The Return of the OOD!)
« Reply #59 on: January 21, 2012, 06:41:43 AM »
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Paging DJamer Johnno  Jesus.  Between the commercials, the band and the worst 7 nation army drop I've ever heard it was a miracle that the sheer white hot anger of rural Americans propelled Kansas State to victory.




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Re: Chisholm Trail Peggy Po's Nancy Neg's (The Return of the OOD!)
« Reply #60 on: January 21, 2012, 09:13:47 AM »
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Paging DJamer Johnno  Jesus.  Between the commercials, the band and the worst 7 nation army drop I've ever heard it was a miracle that the sheer white hot anger of rural Americans propelled Kansas State to victory.


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Re: Chisholm Trail Peggy Po's Nancy Neg's (The Return of the OOD!)
« Reply #61 on: January 22, 2012, 08:12:21 PM »
who give a crap about how we compare to ku?

Sadly, all non-members of this board. It has really warped our fanbase.
"How will I recruit to Manhattan? Well, distance. And the proud state of basketball. It start there, and then daily flights to Dallas, because I'm really good at going out. Like top five good. Ask my wife. She wants me to be happy."

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Re: Chisholm Trail Peggy Po's Nancy Neg's (The Return of the OOD!)
« Reply #62 on: January 22, 2012, 08:24:04 PM »
who give a crap about how we compare to ku?

Sadly, all non-members of this board. It has really warped our fanbase.

oh stop.  It is most members of this board too.

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Re: Chisholm Trail Peggy Po's Nancy Neg's (The Return of the OOD!)
« Reply #63 on: January 22, 2012, 08:28:42 PM »
who give a crap about how we compare to ku?

Sadly, all non-members of this board. It has really warped our fanbase.

oh stop.  It is most members of this board too.

Yeah. But it was simpler just to say "them". Any historical war time leader would have my back on this.
"How will I recruit to Manhattan? Well, distance. And the proud state of basketball. It start there, and then daily flights to Dallas, because I'm really good at going out. Like top five good. Ask my wife. She wants me to be happy."

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Re: Chisholm Trail Peggy Po's Nancy Neg's (The Return of the OOD!)
« Reply #64 on: January 22, 2012, 08:30:25 PM »
who give a crap about how we compare to ku?

Sadly, all non-members of this board. It has really warped our fanbase.

oh stop.  It is most members of this board too.

Yeah. But it was simpler just to say "them". Any historical war time leader would have my back on this.
As a history major, I can confirm this.  FR is correct.


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Re: Chisholm Trail Peggy Po's Nancy Neg's (The Return of the OOD!)
« Reply #65 on: January 22, 2012, 08:37:01 PM »
who give a crap about how we compare to ku?

Sadly, all non-members of this board. It has really warped our fanbase.

oh stop.  It is most members of this board too.

Yeah. But it was simpler just to say "them". Any historical war time leader would have my back on this.

I am probably more in fatty's "big tent" emaw conception, but if you are going to start criticizing I think you have to commit to it.  Maybe sys can give you some pointers.

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Re: Chisholm Trail Peggy Po's Nancy Neg's (The Return of the OOD!)
« Reply #66 on: January 22, 2012, 08:43:04 PM »
we will never ever recruit or win at the level that they have for the last 15 years.

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Re: Chisholm Trail Peggy Po's Nancy Neg's (The Return of the OOD!)
« Reply #67 on: January 23, 2012, 12:40:53 AM »
Frank's style increases the margin of error IMO. At least on offense. When you can win a game handily in conference on the road with a 39% EFG you have a pretty wide margin of error.
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Re: Chisholm Trail Peggy Po's Nancy Neg's (The Return of the OOD!)
« Reply #68 on: January 23, 2012, 09:13:44 AM »
Frank's style increases the margin of error IMO. At least on offense. When you can win a game handily in conference on the road with a 39% EFG you have a pretty wide margin of error.

Exactly. That's one of the reasons I like it.

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Re: Chisholm Trail Peggy Po's Nancy Neg's (The Return of the OOD!)
« Reply #69 on: January 23, 2012, 11:52:06 AM »
Frank's style increases the margin of error IMO. At least on offense. When you can win a game handily in conference on the road with a 39% EFG you have a pretty wide margin of error.

...we're so close...if frank could just recruit a little better.....

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Re: Chisholm Trail Peggy Po's Nancy Neg's (The Return of the OOD!)
« Reply #70 on: January 23, 2012, 05:37:29 PM »
Frank's style increases the margin of error IMO. At least on offense. When you can win a game handily in conference on the road with a 39% EFG you have a pretty wide margin of error.

Exactly. That's one of the reasons I like it.

a style that when executed gives your team more opportunities than the other team.  be really good in OR% and TO%