Its 2027, what is Frank's legacy at K-State?

[CHONGS]

Do you guys think Frank can accomplish what matters at K-State?

[ChiComCat]

Things that matter: NCs, Final Fours, Big 12 championships

Arguably, I may include Big 12 Tourneys

[Stevesie60]

Things that matter: NCs, Final Fours, Big 12 championships

Arguably, I may include Big 12 Tourneys

The things I listed would be Tier 1 of things that matter, with Big 12 Tourneys stand alone on Tier 2, and no Tier 3.

[ChiComCat]

Things that matter: NCs, Final Fours, Big 12 championships

Arguably, I may include Big 12 Tourneys

The things I listed would be Tier 1 of things that matter, with Big 12 Tourneys stand alone on Tier 2, and no Tier 3.

Deal

[sys]

I should have pointed out the obvious in my previous post, if you think the only thing that matters is winning a NC, then you are Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

An eight year old girl is more reasonable than you.

i never said that only winning a nc matters.  i don't think that, or anything close to that.  i'm asking you for your definition of what matters, since you brought it up.  in the context of this thread, you seem to be implying that snyder has accomplished something that matters, but that martin has not.  i'm asking you to make your criteria explicit.

[Stevesie60]

Do you guys think Frank can accomplish what matters at K-State?

I do. #frankite

[CHONGS]

The most successful coach in the modern era of ksu basketball?

or

The coach who could never win something that mattered?

The former.

I'd also wager to bet one Final Four appearance and at least two league titles over the course of the next 15 years.

I bet Frank isn't here ten years from now, let alone 15.  I would put the over/under on Frank's remaining years at 6.

how do you figure it goes down?

He won't leave because he wants to I bet.

[michigancat]

I will take the over.

[sys]

I will take the over.

really?  11 years is a long time for a coach, anywhere.

[Stevesie60]

I wouldn't be surprised if he stayed for a long time. He is a good fit for K-State, and I like to think K-State is a good fit for Frank. The sooner Currie leaves for an SEC job, the greater our chances of retaining Frank for a long time are.

[michigancat]

I will take the over.

really?  11 years is a long time for a coach, anywhere.

Yeah. He's very similar to Eddie Sutton at OSU. Just dirty enough to keep the blue bloods away, clearly good enough to not get fired.

[sys]

Just dirty enough to keep the blue bloods away, clearly good enough to not get fired.

i hope you are right.

[gatoveintisiete]

Things that matter to me- being in the top 15, having a chance to win the conf., making the tourney and thinking we could go deep.  Frank does all this for me 

[_33]

Sys, Snyder beats KU. That's the only reason everyone loves him so much.  Other than that he's probably accomplished less than Frank at this point.

[sonofdaxjones]

Sys, Snyder beats KU. That's the only reason everyone loves him so much.  Other than that he's probably accomplished less than Frank at this point.

I am not a Snyder fan by any stretch . . . but get real.   First off, Basketball is utterly insignificant in the business of college sports at the major conference level.   So, without Snyder, we probably really are relegated to the Missouri Valley.   Let's put it like this, the most profitable college basketball programs make $20 million a year, the most profitable college football programs make $100 million a year.

[kim carnes]

I will take the over.

really?  11 years is a long time for a coach, anywhere.

Yeah. He's very similar to Eddie Sutton at OSU. Just dirty enough to keep the blue bloods away, clearly good enough to not get fired.

oh, thats why the blue bloods have stayed away from frank?     are you serious?  blue bloods?   

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

I should have pointed out the obvious in my previous post, if you think the only thing that matters is winning a NC, then you are Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

An eight year old girl is more reasonable than you.

i never said that only winning a nc matters.  i don't think that, or anything close to that.  i'm asking you for your definition of what matters, since you brought it up.  in the context of this thread, you seem to be implying that snyder has accomplished something that matters, but that martin has not.  i'm asking you to make your criteria explicit.

you brought it up, so why don't you share first 

[ednksu]

Sys, Snyder beats KU. That's the only reason everyone loves him so much.  Other than that he's probably accomplished less than Frank at this point.

I am not a Snyder fan by any stretch . . . but get real.   First off, Basketball is utterly insignificant in the business of college sports at the major conference level.   So, without Snyder, we probably really are relegated to the Missouri Valley.   Let's put it like this, the most profitable college basketball programs make $20 million a year, the most profitable college football programs make $100 million a year.

in terms of the current paradigm of college sports the first part of your post is completely wrong.  Major College B-Ball is keeping the NCAA cartel alive and well. Maybe i'm taking your quote and being a bit too macro when you mean it more micro. 
I do agree with the 2nd half of your post.

[Stupid Fitz]

I will take the over.

[sys]

you brought it up, so why don't you share first 

wtf?  i brought up nothing of the sort.

[EMAWzified]

Since Frank seems compelled to imprint his life story on every basketball season, it's simple to predict his legacy here will be the same.
The underlying theme is that nothing comes easy and there's always a chance things could skid out of control over the brink. There has to be hardships to overcome and that takes hard work, lots of it. Winning any other way is worse than losing.

And so I see us on an upward trend over the next two to three years, there will never be a drama-free season, no matter the talent and experience.
So when he leaves and the sports journalists will likely write the legacy to fit Frank's script, a constant struggle to overcome . . . what exactly.

Maybe if Frank would have been talented player or if had ascended into college coaching without being fired at Miami High, he could except good fortune with grace. But that isn't Frank and it doesn't appear if that's going to change.

[Skipper44]

I will take the over.

really?  11 years is a long time for a coach, anywhere.

Yeah. He's very similar to Eddie Sutton at OhnSU. Just dirty enough to keep the blue bloods away, clearly good enough to not get fired.

oh, thats why the blue bloods have stayed away from frank?     are you serious?  blue bloods?   

blue bloods (unc, duke, uk, etc) is too strong but Frank is a excellent fit for many basketball first schools back east

[8manpick]

Guys, elite 8's matter.  People seem to be forgetting how awesome that was.  It was really, really awesome.

[MakeItRain]

I will take the over.

really?  11 years is a long time for a coach, anywhere.

I'll take the under for this exact reason.  Also when I saw the thread title my first thought was, will Frank even be alive that long?  Not trying to be morbid at all, just my thoughts.

I'm a huge Frankite so I think he's going to the final four very soon.

Not only has Frank out performed Snyder, but so has Deb, Susie Fritz, and Brad Hill is getting close.  Snyder's accomplishments weren't overwhelming on their own, they were great because of where K-State football was.  He isn't even top 5 in wins for active coaches, he has as many conference titles as Mind Gundy, John Macovic, RC Slocum, and Frank Solich.  KSU football fans have absolutely no sense of history or perspective.

[kim carnes]

I will take the over.

really?  11 years is a long time for a coach, anywhere.

I'll take the under for this exact reason.  Also when I saw the thread title my first thought was, will Frank even be alive that long?  Not trying to be morbid at all, just my thoughts.

I'm a huge Frankite so I think he's going to the final four very soon.

Not only has Frank out performed Snyder, but so has Deb, Susie Fritz, and Brad Hill is getting close.  Snyder's accomplishments weren't overwhelming on their own, they were great because of where K-State football was.  He isn't even top 5 in wins for active coaches, he has as many conference titles as Mind Gundy, John Macovic, RC Slocum, and Frank Solich.  KSU football fans have absolutely no sense of history or perspective.

LOL at you comparing other sports to football.  It is much harder to be good at football.  Football > everything