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Re: What the hell is Kitchen's problem.
« Reply #50 on: January 12, 2012, 02:29:52 PM »
Would you feast your eyes on that!  Makes me angry just lookin at it.


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Re: What the hell is Kitchen's problem.
« Reply #51 on: January 12, 2012, 02:38:02 PM »
Good post.  To dovetail about the brand coach v. brand school look at some of the bluest of blue bloods fighting that battle. Kentucky was running coaches out to get a brand coach to rehab their brand school, coach Cal obviously. 

I wonder how much the enthusiasm has dropped for Frank not because of his fault but because he came in so high with the amazing recruiting class of MB and essentially BW.  That first year and really second year was an incredibly tough act to follow.

I don't think enthusiasm has dropped for Frank at all.  I think that's kind of a straw man.  I think we're facing the high-class problem of trying to find support for two Top 25 programs.  This is uncharted water for our university.  Making this about Frank vs. Bill is trying to make a very simple to explain/understand problem more interesting.

The real question is, "Why do KSU fans seem to like football more than basketball?"  I can assure you that the real answer to that question has nothing to do with Frank or Bill.  We still would have the same issue if Gary Patterson was coaching KSU in the Cotton Bowl last Friday night, or if Bob Huggins were still coaching our basketball team.

This school, and it's most capable financial supporters, favor football because we won a crap ton for a decade and beat the snot out of KU more often than not.  We're still looking to break the "glass ceiling" that will create a lot of basketball support, if you will.

This school is going to support football until basketball gives it a reason to favor it.  That means a Final Four and sustained success.

Bo Ryan has won almost 300 games in Madison, he's gone to four Sweet 16's and one Elite 8., won three Big Ten regular season and two post season titles, and it's safe to say that if someone put a gun to Barry Alvarez's head tomorrow and told him he could only keep Bielema vs. Ryan, he'd pick Bielema every time.

Basketball rarely wins over football.  That's just how it goes.

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Re: What the hell is Kitchen's problem.
« Reply #52 on: January 12, 2012, 02:41:38 PM »
In the late party of February, early part of March this notion that we don't support Frank Martin's basketball program is going to sound so Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

I seriously can't even believe this is being discussed.



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Re: What the hell is Kitchen's problem.
« Reply #53 on: January 12, 2012, 02:44:06 PM »
Good post.  To dovetail about the brand coach v. brand school look at some of the bluest of blue bloods fighting that battle. Kentucky was running coaches out to get a brand coach to rehab their brand school, coach Cal obviously. 

I wonder how much the enthusiasm has dropped for Frank not because of his fault but because he came in so high with the amazing recruiting class of MB and essentially BW.  That first year and really second year was an incredibly tough act to follow.

I don't think enthusiasm has dropped for Frank at all.  I think that's kind of a straw man.  I think we're facing the high-class problem of trying to find support for two Top 25 programs.  This is uncharted water for our university.  Making this about Frank vs. Bill is trying to make a very simple to explain/understand problem more interesting.

The real question is, "Why do KSU fans seem to like football more than basketball?"  I can assure you that the real answer to that question has nothing to do with Frank or Bill.  We still would have the same issue if Gary Patterson was coaching KSU in the Cotton Bowl last Friday night, or if Bob Huggins were still coaching our basketball team.

This school, and it's most capable financial supporters, favor football because we won a crap ton for a decade and beat the snot out of KU more often than not.  We're still looking to break the "glass ceiling" that will create a lot of basketball support, if you will.

This school is going to support football until basketball gives it a reason to favor it.  That means a Final Four and sustained success.

Bo Ryan has won almost 300 games in Madison, he's gone to four Sweet 16's and one Elite 8., won three Big Ten regular season and two post season titles, and it's safe to say that if someone put a gun to Barry Alvarez's head tomorrow and told him he could only keep Bielema vs. Ryan, he'd pick Bielema every time.

Basketball rarely wins over football.  That's just how it goes.

you're making up a "basketball support is suffering myth" just like kitchen. The only difference from past bball years is the 18 game league schedule leads more conference games before students are back.

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Re: What the hell is Kitchen's problem.
« Reply #54 on: January 12, 2012, 02:50:44 PM »
Good post.  To dovetail about the brand coach v. brand school look at some of the bluest of blue bloods fighting that battle. Kentucky was running coaches out to get a brand coach to rehab their brand school, coach Cal obviously. 

I wonder how much the enthusiasm has dropped for Frank not because of his fault but because he came in so high with the amazing recruiting class of MB and essentially BW.  That first year and really second year was an incredibly tough act to follow.

I don't think enthusiasm has dropped for Frank at all.  I think that's kind of a straw man.  I think we're facing the high-class problem of trying to find support for two Top 25 programs.  This is uncharted water for our university.  Making this about Frank vs. Bill is trying to make a very simple to explain/understand problem more interesting.

The real question is, "Why do KSU fans seem to like football more than basketball?"  I can assure you that the real answer to that question has nothing to do with Frank or Bill.  We still would have the same issue if Gary Patterson was coaching KSU in the Cotton Bowl last Friday night, or if Bob Huggins were still coaching our basketball team.

This school, and it's most capable financial supporters, favor football because we won a crap ton for a decade and beat the snot out of KU more often than not.  We're still looking to break the "glass ceiling" that will create a lot of basketball support, if you will.

This school is going to support football until basketball gives it a reason to favor it.  That means a Final Four and sustained success.

Bo Ryan has won almost 300 games in Madison, he's gone to four Sweet 16's and one Elite 8., won three Big Ten regular season and two post season titles, and it's safe to say that if someone put a gun to Barry Alvarez's head tomorrow and told him he could only keep Bielema vs. Ryan, he'd pick Bielema every time.

Basketball rarely wins over football.  That's just how it goes.

you're making up a basketball support is suffering myth just like kitchen.

It's not suffering.  I just said the fan base, overall, favors football, and it will until basketball gives it a reason not to do so.

Once the students get back, the OOD will be filled up again, and like 909 said, no one will be talking about a lack of support for any reason.

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Re: What the hell is Kitchen's problem.
« Reply #55 on: January 12, 2012, 02:56:22 PM »
i wonder if games on tuesday nights versus saturdays at noon have anything to do with how many fans actually show up, etc and it all has anything to do with this stupid conversation.


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Re: What the hell is Kitchen's problem.
« Reply #56 on: January 12, 2012, 02:56:58 PM »
the support for the basketball team is unchanged

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Re: What the hell is Kitchen's problem.
« Reply #57 on: January 12, 2012, 03:09:23 PM »
Nigel Malone like a milion years ago"KSU FB players get love during FB season.  KSU BB players get love year round".

It hurts Malone.

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Re: What the hell is Kitchen's problem.
« Reply #58 on: January 12, 2012, 03:18:03 PM »
Nigel Malone like a milion years ago"KSU FB players get love during FB season.  KSU BB players get love year round".

It hurts Malone.

Nigel may find things a bit different after 10-3.

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Re: What the hell is Kitchen's problem.
« Reply #59 on: January 12, 2012, 03:21:58 PM »
This read is a classic case of the "I'm bored as a journalist and i've already written a million pieces that are all the same. I feel like stirring some crap up today". Journalism Boardem 101.  :gocho:

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Re: What the hell is Kitchen's problem.
« Reply #60 on: January 12, 2012, 11:17:08 PM »
there's probably some truth in there somewhere. However most of it is crap.

the truth is in that the crowds have sucked and that football is hurting the thing that we love.
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Re: What the hell is Kitchen's problem.
« Reply #61 on: January 12, 2012, 11:18:59 PM »
there's probably some truth in there somewhere. However most of it is crap.

the truth is in that the crowds have sucked and that football is hurting the thing that we love.

How long you gonna beat this drum?

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Re: What the hell is Kitchen's problem.
« Reply #62 on: January 12, 2012, 11:19:47 PM »
It was a game during the break and the AD was selling tickets for $50 a seat.

If you want to blame anybody for the perceived lackluster atmosphere, look at the AD.

very fair and relevant point.
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Re: What the hell is Kitchen's problem.
« Reply #63 on: January 12, 2012, 11:20:27 PM »
How long you gonna beat this drum?

until it is fixed or i get bored with it.
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Re: What the hell is Kitchen's problem.
« Reply #64 on: January 12, 2012, 11:23:16 PM »
panj, i appreciate your posts on this topic.
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Re: What the hell is Kitchen's problem.
« Reply #65 on: January 12, 2012, 11:43:31 PM »
Football has had quite a few empties this year as well.  The break and the 18 game B12 shed has had it's effect on bball, but like others have said the AD didn't do itself any favors by not finding a way to fill both BSFS and OOD when it was needed. 

The real problem is that it seems to be that the article is attempting do drum up negative sentiments.  Or at least highlight them.
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Re: What the hell is Kitchen's problem.
« Reply #66 on: January 13, 2012, 12:45:22 AM »
Football has had quite a few empties this year as well.  The break and the 18 game B12 shed has had it's effect on bball, but like others have said the AD didn't do itself any favors by not finding a way to fill both BSFS and OOD when it was needed. 

The real problem is that it seems to be that the article is attempting do drum up negative sentiments.  Or at least highlight them.

I wouldn't go that far.  I think he was just writing a piece about something he feels, but it was off the mark because he misdiagnosed the actual problem.

I can assure you that he's not out to instigate anything negative.




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Re: What the hell is Kitchen's problem.
« Reply #67 on: January 13, 2012, 08:04:06 AM »
To me the big thing in selling seats when there are going to be seats avaliable is price point. If the extra tickets are around $20 or less, I don't think either program would ever have problems selling out. But Baylor was $40 I believe for GA, K-State simply has too many fans that aren't going to pay that and will settle for watching on TV. Disappointing, especially when you are playing a Top 10 team, but it is what it is.

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Re: What the hell is Kitchen's problem.
« Reply #68 on: January 13, 2012, 08:05:30 AM »
mizzou GA was $60

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Re: What the hell is Kitchen's problem.
« Reply #69 on: January 13, 2012, 08:29:14 AM »
To me the big thing in selling seats when there are going to be seats avaliable is price point. If the extra tickets are around $20 or less, I don't think either program would ever have problems selling out. But Baylor was $40 I believe for GA, K-State simply has too many fans that aren't going to pay that and will settle for watching on TV. Disappointing, especially when you are playing a Top 10 team, but it is what it is.

Exactly. What makes no sense to me is it seems that those sections are less than half full so if the AD cut ticket prices in half, they'd make more money if that led to a sellout just in ticket sales. And, they'd make more in parking, concessions, and merch. Plus, you know, the arena would be full which would be nice.

But, I thought the empties in the Baylor game were in the student section and the general public had no access to those sections? Students should have to claim their winter break tickets so the AD can sell any unclaimed tickets if that's the case.

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Re: What the hell is Kitchen's problem.
« Reply #70 on: January 13, 2012, 08:34:03 AM »
To me the big thing in selling seats when there are going to be seats avaliable is price point. If the extra tickets are around $20 or less, I don't think either program would ever have problems selling out. But Baylor was $40 I believe for GA, K-State simply has too many fans that aren't going to pay that and will settle for watching on TV. Disappointing, especially when you are playing a Top 10 team, but it is what it is.

Exactly. What makes no sense to me is it seems that those sections are less than half full so if the AD cut ticket prices in half, they'd make more money if that led to a sellout just in ticket sales. And, they'd make more in parking, concessions, and merch. Plus, you know, the arena would be full which would be nice.

But, I thought the empties in the Baylor game were in the student section and the general public had no access to those sections? Students should have to claim their winter break tickets so the AD can sell any unclaimed tickets if that's the case.

Students were gone, so those seats were on sell for $40 as GA seats.

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Re: What the hell is Kitchen's problem.
« Reply #71 on: January 13, 2012, 11:32:59 AM »
those prices are rough ridin' outrageous

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Re: What the hell is Kitchen's problem.
« Reply #72 on: January 13, 2012, 12:02:31 PM »
those prices are rough ridin' outrageous

The available GA tickets have sold out pretty much each game, so price isn't the issue. The problem is students with tickets that don't show up. Student sections are waaaay oversold, but it's hardly ever an issue because most of the student tickets do not get used each game.

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Re: What the hell is Kitchen's problem.
« Reply #73 on: January 13, 2012, 12:03:38 PM »
man oh man

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Re: What the hell is Kitchen's problem.
« Reply #74 on: January 13, 2012, 12:05:14 PM »
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