Author Topic: What the hell is Kitchen's problem. (Read 15393 times)

nicname · « **on:** January 12, 2012, 12:56:11 AM »

http://curtiskitchen.com/will-k-state-fans-ever-embrace-frank-martin/

"Will K-State fans ever embrace Frank Martin"

What a bunch of BS. I hate this kind of crap.

Stevesie60 · « **Reply #1 on:** January 12, 2012, 12:59:55 AM »

Being a townie and all, I know a lot of K-State fans. I have never, EVER, heard of someone staying home because of Martin. What a piece of crap article.

That_Guy · « **Reply #2 on:** January 12, 2012, 01:03:10 AM »

I thiiinnnkkk I'm gooonnaaaa

j-von · « **Reply #3 on:** January 12, 2012, 01:09:18 AM »

I don't even know what to say.

I'm without speech.

MakeItRain · « **Reply #4 on:** January 12, 2012, 01:12:02 AM »

MakeItRain · « **Reply #5 on:** January 12, 2012, 01:14:10 AM »

Stevesie60 · « **Reply #6 on:** January 12, 2012, 01:16:09 AM »

To sum up, he confirmed you and sys. Said no one goes to basketball games because we're good at football again. And that another reason people don't go to games is because Frank yells and stuff.

fatty fat fat · « **Reply #7 on:** January 12, 2012, 02:39:02 AM »

interesting article. we've been good in bball for a while now, it may not be as fun anymore.

ednksu · « **Reply #8 on:** January 12, 2012, 03:04:01 AM »

wtf kind of trash article is this

Quote

So, while folks figure out how close they want to stand, or sit, or get to Martin, they lean back while they assess. They are not emotionally invested. They aren’t angry, sad, happy, reserved or even apathetic. They’re simply watching.

what a terrible piece of journalistic effort.

Stupid Fitz · « **Reply #9 on:** January 12, 2012, 06:46:36 AM »

I don' know who this Kitchen fellow is, but he is going to get a full on verbal assault from the tip to the buzzer the next time SF is in the OOD.

chum1 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 12, 2012, 06:48:11 AM »

if i was kitchen and read this thread, i'd be thinking that i did a pretty good job.

WillieWatanabe · « **Reply #11 on:** January 12, 2012, 06:53:30 AM »

there's probably some truth in there somewhere. However most of it is crap.

Trim · « **Reply #12 on:** January 12, 2012, 07:18:06 AM »

Quote from: chum1 on January 12, 2012, 06:48:11 AM

if i was kitchen and read this thread, i'd be thinking that i did a pretty good job.

Yes. I also hope that leads to him thinking that he'll be able to donate more than $10 to the next goEMAW philanthropy.

kougar24 · « **Reply #13 on:** January 12, 2012, 07:18:12 AM »

DNR, but I do think the MU/BU attendances were lowered by the Cotton Bowl. The MU game for obvious reasons, and the BU game because a lot of foagies are still satisfied with the bowl and don't need bball yet. FYBS.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #14 on:** January 12, 2012, 07:34:26 AM »

I'm thinking Kitchen is trying to go full Whitlock and simply say stuff to get a reaction. At least I hope.

With students at games it will be fine. And despite what some here have said, the crowd Tuesday was pretty good. Disappointed with the empties, but still good.

Trim · « **Reply #15 on:** January 12, 2012, 07:44:06 AM »

Quote from: ksu_FAN on January 12, 2012, 07:34:26 AM

I'm thinking Kitchen is trying to go full Whitlock and simply say stuff to get a reaction. At least I hope.

He should've combo'd in the names and contact info of more DUs to really piss goEMAW off.

OK_Cat · « **Reply #16 on:** January 12, 2012, 08:04:12 AM »

It's like this board forgets who we are from time to time.

ednksu · « **Reply #17 on:** January 12, 2012, 08:15:51 AM »

Quote from: ksu_FAN on January 12, 2012, 07:34:26 AM

I'm thinking Kitchen is trying to go full Whitlock and simply say stuff to get a reaction. At least I hope.

With students at games it will be fine. And despite what some here have said, the crowd Tuesday was pretty good. Disappointed with the empties, but still good.

At least with Fatlock you could tell he was

with his obviously racist comments and his rampant uncle tomming of KU. This is just a crap piece.

wabash909 · « **Reply #18 on:** January 12, 2012, 08:37:28 AM »

What a ridiculous article.

The attendance and fan support has been fine this year.

We played our last home prior to Baylor when 35,000 of our fans were in Dallas and our students on holiday break. We played the Baylor game with our students still not having returned on campus. It's not that hard to rough ridin' understand why the only section of the arena not at full capacity was the student section.

Even with that taken into consideration, the crowd was loud and into it then entire game.

We've got problems with this team and none of them have to do with fan support for Frank Martin or disinterest in the basketball problem.

JFC. We seriously have the dumbest people in America covering Kansas State athletics.

slimz · « **Reply #19 on:** January 12, 2012, 08:41:24 AM »

I have no problem with Kitchen wanting to explore that thesis if he so desires. The issue for me is that he jumps from thesis to conclusion with no effort to support it with anything other than a "few responses" on his website. Find some actual people to talk to. Lay out some concrete things that have changed in the atmosphere, not these vague allusions to "disconnect." On top of that, don't base these generalities on two winter break games.

Bottom line, it's just another Kitchen article that's poor from a technical standpoint, whatever you think of the topic. And it's why Kitchen is running a blog instead of covering the K-State beat for the Star/Eagle.

catzacker · « **Reply #20 on:** January 12, 2012, 08:57:42 AM »

Quote from: OK Cat on January 12, 2012, 08:04:12 AM

It's like this board forgets who we are from time to time.

i know. i'll check with ron to confirm, but i'm pretty sure this is what it felt like towards the end of the roman empire.

Sandstone Outcropping · « **Reply #21 on:** January 12, 2012, 08:58:19 AM »

What a bunch of garbage. I didn't know he was this stupid.

chum1 · « **Reply #22 on:** January 12, 2012, 09:12:41 AM »

Quote from: catzacker on January 12, 2012, 08:57:42 AM

Quote from: OK Cat on January 12, 2012, 08:04:12 AM
It's like this board forgets who we are from time to time.

i know. i'll check with ron to confirm, but i'm pretty sure this is what it felt like towards the end of the roman empire.

next time someone tries to do a rebel board, they should refrain from enticing posters from ksf and gpc to join it. once they come along, it's no longer a rebel board.

Panjandrum · « **Reply #23 on:** January 12, 2012, 09:22:35 AM »

I didn't agree with the article. I think the general theme he's hitting on, basketball isn't supported with the fervor that it was a few years ago, which is partially true, is based on a foundation of two points:

1) It's really hard to have sustained success in football and men's basketball for a prolonged period of time when you have a relatively small fan base (i.e. there are finite resources; you must split them somehow, and one side will most likely get screwed). He mentions this. However, I think every school makes this decision when it hits that crossroads. And, honestly, the majority of schools pick football. It's not unique.

2) Frank Martin is a successful coach. I mean, for God's sakes, he's up there with Tex Winter in terms of wins during a certain time frame. However, and I use this analogy a lot, we like the sausage (the season in retrospect), but we hate seeing how it's made (individual losses, strange lineup decisions, crazy motivational tactics, etc.). He doesn't directly mention this.

I don't think the fans disconnect with Frank as much as they've embraced football (regardless of LHC Bill Snyder). The amount of damage that was done to the basketball program when Wefald went full throttle football in the 90's is still being corrected. It was absolutely necessary for the university, long-term, but it did long-term harm to the basketball program. That, combined with the dominance Kansas asserted over us for twenty years (while we did the same in football, for the most part) established a new identity for an entire generation. And that generation now has the money.

I do agree that Frank Martin is a brand. He transcends his program because of his personality. What most KSU fans don't recognize is that these good players that he's recruiting are coming here for Frank and not Kansas State, for the most part. We are relevant because Frank is a known and desired commodity. ESPN wants to show highlights of him. Jim Rome wants to talk about him.

I think Curtis is correct in the sense that there is going to be a tug-of-war between football and basketball in the coming years. I think he's incorrect that it's about Frank. I think it's because we only have so much love/money/time to go around.

pissclams · « **Reply #24 on:** January 12, 2012, 09:33:58 AM »

Quote from: chum1 on January 12, 2012, 09:12:41 AM

Quote from: catzacker on January 12, 2012, 08:57:42 AM
Quote from: OK Cat on January 12, 2012, 08:04:12 AM
It's like this board forgets who we are from time to time.

i know. i'll check with ron to confirm, but i'm pretty sure this is what it felt like towards the end of the roman empire.

next time someone tries to do a rebel board, they should refrain from enticing posters from ksf and gpc to join it. once they come along, it's no longer a rebel board.

maybe this was dr00d's plan?