Stats from a pathetic performance

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

How on earth did JO only get 4 points out of all that

[MakeItRain]

95% of what happened out there tonight sucked.

1 thing that didn't and maybe it was posted in another thread, but I'm too lazy to search for it, it's great to see Gruds Gruds, JO, and second half Jamar get that "get me the damn ball, I'm getting a bucket" look in his eye.

Really think he can be that aggressive and productive on a nightly basis. Just do it Gruds.

I really hope the first half/second half pattern we saw before Diamond Head isn't going to continue to manifest itself through conference play.

[kougar24]

95% of what happened out there tonight sucked.

1 thing that didn't and maybe it was posted in another thread, but I'm too lazy to search for it, it's great to see Gruds get that "get me the damn ball, I'm getting a bucket" look in his eye.

Really think he can be that aggressive and productive on a nightly basis. Just do it Gruds.

Someone should tell him he's allowed to do that as we're getting mercilessly violated in the first 10 minutes of a game.

[Underdog Wildcat]

Man, did you see his dunk! 

Yeah, great finish and helluva pass from Sprads. Unfortunately, that was 1 of the few bright spots for Sprads tonight.  

[kougar24]

Sprads was pissin' me off immensely tonight. Probably more than anyone. Way to take charge, there, Assassino Bianco. No, no, I said "take charge," not "take a charge."

[Dr Rick Daris]

95% of what happened out there tonight sucked.

1 thing that didn't and maybe it was posted in another thread, but I'm too lazy to search for it, it's great to see Gruds get that "get me the damn ball, I'm getting a bucket" look in his eye.

Really think he can be that aggressive and productive on a nightly basis. Just do it Gruds.

i don't think it 95% sucked. i do like the fact that rod was agressively going to the basket and looking pretty decent doing it. angel was prob in over his head in terms of going up against taylor et al and that environment. after watching tonight, i'll assume kstate will beat ku in manhattan and that's the first time i've ever honestly thought that.

[Underdog Wildcat]

95% of what happened out there tonight sucked.

1 thing that didn't and maybe it was posted in another thread, but I'm too lazy to search for it, it's great to see Gruds Gruds, JO, and second half Jamar get that "get me the damn ball, I'm getting a bucket" look in his eye.

Really think he can be that aggressive and productive on a nightly basis. Just do it Gruds.

I really hope the first half/second half pattern we saw before Diamond Head isn't going to continue to manifest itself through conference play.

JO looked fantastic early, but his 2nd half  

More than anything though, just 4 boards, Withey had 9, JO can do better than that.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

95% of what happened out there tonight sucked.

1 thing that didn't and maybe it was posted in another thread, but I'm too lazy to search for it, it's great to see Gruds Gruds, JO, and second half Jamar get that "get me the damn ball, I'm getting a bucket" look in his eye.

Really think he can be that aggressive and productive on a nightly basis. Just do it Gruds.

I really hope the first half/second half pattern we saw before Diamond Head isn't going to continue to manifest itself through conference play.

JO looked fantastic early, but his 2nd half  

More than anything though, just 4 boards, Withey had 9, JO can do better than that.

5 of Whithey's boards were on missed FT's, three on balls JO or Jamar fumbled that rolled to Whithey.

Whithey is awful and will be a non-factor in every game not played in AFH this season, JO is much better

[Underdog Wildcat]

95% of what happened out there tonight sucked.

1 thing that didn't and maybe it was posted in another thread, but I'm too lazy to search for it, it's great to see Gruds Gruds, JO, and second half Jamar get that "get me the damn ball, I'm getting a bucket" look in his eye.

Really think he can be that aggressive and productive on a nightly basis. Just do it Gruds.

I really hope the first half/second half pattern we saw before Diamond Head isn't going to continue to manifest itself through conference play.

JO looked fantastic early, but his 2nd half  

More than anything though, just 4 boards, Withey had 9, JO can do better than that.

5 of Whithey's boards were on missed FT's, three on balls JO or Jamar fumbled that rolled to Whithey.

Whithey is awful and will be a non-factor in every game not played in AFH this season, JO is much better

I believe you are right, JO is better than Withey.

Unfortunately, JO's overall performance tonight did not demonstrate that.

He'll have plenty of opportunities to bounce back.

[michigancat]

meh

[OregonSmock]

LOL @ how hard Jeff Withey owns Sugar Dick. 


    

[kougar24]

Beems, I'm happy for you, since you said you'd rough ridin' lose it if KU lost to K-State in AFH this year.

I think it was worth the loss on the court to not lose you on the boards.

[sys]

i missed the first five minutes, when kstate lost the game, apparently.  but in the 35 minutes i saw, kstate didn't play poorly.  ku certainly had something to do with that, but even so, both ku and kstate looked like top 4 big 12 teams.  rest easy, basketball fans of kansas.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I didn't like Frank putting Gipson on Robinson in the first half. JO did a much better job on him in the second half.

[Cartierfor3]

I have NEVER seen a team more careless with the ball, and we lost to them by 18

[Rage Against the McKee]

I have NEVER seen a team more careless with the ball, and we lost to them by 18

Just look at the rebound totals to find your answer.

[Cartierfor3]

It's really amazing we cut it to 3. I'm not sure if that says more about us or KU.

Also that Rod wide open three miss was so deflating.  Turning point.

[Panjandrum]

i missed the first five minutes, when kstate lost the game, apparently.  but in the 35 minutes i saw, kstate didn't play poorly.  ku certainly had something to do with that, but even so, both ku and kstate looked like top 4 big 12 teams.  rest easy, basketball fans of kansas.

I missed the first ten minutes, but I agree. 

The rebounding upset me, but this team generally folds like a tent in AFH after tip, so I wasn't surprised.

[Cartierfor3]

I have NEVER seen a team more careless with the ball, and we lost to them by 18

Just look at the rebound totals to find your answer.

I know

[kso_FAN]

Heh. Its funny how people think I'm overreacting here; people should know by not I don't tend to overreact. Its one thing to go to Allen Field House and get beat badly, that's happened plenty. However, this was a historical beat down on the boards unlike we've ever seen under Frank. I probably overdo it, but the stat I look at constantly is Offensive Rebounding Percentage. KU was at 57%, we were at 27%. The margin there is 30% better for KU. In Frank's tenure that is the worst margin ever, and its not even close. The next worst was a 13.5% margin vs Loyola Chicago. Only 5 times have Frank's teams even allowed a team to be 10% better on OR%, but last night KU was 30% better on offensive rebounds. I'm sorry if that's inexcusable to me.

[CNS]

meh

[CHONGS]

Heh. Its funny how people think I'm overreacting here; people should know by not I don't tend to overreact. Its one thing to go to Allen Field House and get beat badly, that's happened plenty. However, this was a historical beat down on the boards unlike we've ever seen under Frank. I probably overdo it, but the stat I look at constantly is Offensive Rebounding Percentage. KU was at 57%, we were at 27%. The margin there is 30% better for KU. In Frank's tenure that is the worst margin ever, and its not even close. The next worst was a 13.5% margin vs Loyola Chicago. Only 5 times have Frank's teams even allowed a team to be 10% better on OR%, but last night KU was 30% better on offensive rebounds. I'm sorry if that's inexcusable to me.

I don't think you are over-reacting.  This was very uncharacteristic for a Frank Martin team.  I know many here will disagree with me about the following, but nonetheless I think it's true:

We did not lose last night because of a talent differential between KSU and KU.   KU played better basketball, but overall they did not have better players (prob not worse either).

[michigancat]

It was a lot like the Florida game last year.

[kso_FAN]

It was a lot like the Florida game last year.

That game was purely a shooting issue though, the JYC stats were pretty much equal. I guess I don't like getting dominated in any JYC stat, especially OR%.

Heh. Its funny how people think I'm overreacting here; people should know by not I don't tend to overreact. Its one thing to go to Allen Field House and get beat badly, that's happened plenty. However, this was a historical beat down on the boards unlike we've ever seen under Frank. I probably overdo it, but the stat I look at constantly is Offensive Rebounding Percentage. KU was at 57%, we were at 27%. The margin there is 30% better for KU. In Frank's tenure that is the worst margin ever, and its not even close. The next worst was a 13.5% margin vs Loyola Chicago. Only 5 times have Frank's teams even allowed a team to be 10% better on OR%, but last night KU was 30% better on offensive rebounds. I'm sorry if that's inexcusable to me.

I don't think you are over-reacting.  This was very uncharacteristic for a Frank Martin team.  I know many here will disagree with me about the following, but nonetheless I think it's true:

We did not lose last night because of a talent differential between KSU and KU.   KU played better basketball, but overall they did not have better players (prob not worse either).

I don't disagree with this, but KU did have the best player on the court, and that makes a difference. But overall there isn't a big discrepancy. I think we should beat them in Manhattan.

[mcmwcat]

ku has better players.