Probably a LFBIQ question

[SdK]

Why do teams leave the qb in for wildcat formations? Aside from the obvious double pass. He's usually not going to be a great route runner or blocker.

[Emo EMAW]

Also he could get rough ridin' hurt, right?

[AST]

I am one that believes the wildcat is a stupid formation, especially with a pocket passing qb still in the formation.

My guess is that it is to set up a play later.

[8manpick]

So that the defense doesn't see them substituting out their QB and adjust their personnel accordingly.

[kim carnes]

Why do teams leave the qb in for wildcat formations? Aside from the obvious double pass. He's usually not going to be a great route runner or blocker.

Dumb question.  Klein is an excellent receiver.

[Emo EMAW]

So that the defense doesn't see them substituting out their QB and adjust their personnel accordingly.

Well for us, Pease = Wildcat.

[SdK]

Why do teams leave the qb in for wildcat formations? Aside from the obvious double pass. He's usually not going to be a great route runner or blocker.

Dumb question.  Klein is an excellent receiver.

and we throw to him and in general quite often...


moving on, this was about teams in general, not God's team.

[8manpick]

So that the defense doesn't see them substituting out their QB and adjust their personnel accordingly.

Well for us, Pease = Wildcat.

True, but lots of teams use regular personnel when running the wildcat.  Plus, it still looks like a Pease for Hubert RB substitution when he come in.  Would be much more obvious if it was Pease for Klein.

[Emo EMAW]

So that the defense doesn't see them substituting out their QB and adjust their personnel accordingly.

Well for us, Pease = Wildcat.

True, but lots of teams use regular personnel when running the wildcat.  Plus, it still looks like a Pease for Hubert RB substitution when he come in.  Would be much more obvious if it was Pease for Klein.

True, true.

[SdK]

So that the defense doesn't see them substituting out their QB and adjust their personnel accordingly.

Well for us, Pease = Wildcat.

True, but lots of teams use regular personnel when running the wildcat.  Plus, it still looks like a Pease for Hubert RB substitution when he come in.  Would be much more obvious if it was Pease for Klein.

True, true.

Get out of here Emo. When have we substituted Pease for Hubert all year aside from the Wildcat?

[8manpick]

So that the defense doesn't see them substituting out their QB and adjust their personnel accordingly.

Well for us, Pease = Wildcat.

True, but lots of teams use regular personnel when running the wildcat.  Plus, it still looks like a Pease for Hubert RB substitution when he come in.  Would be much more obvious if it was Pease for Klein.

True, true.

Get out of here Emo. When have we substituted Pease for Hubert all year aside from the Wildcat?

Pretty much none... that was his point I think

[Trim]

There's already a thread on this.

[SdK]

So that the defense doesn't see them substituting out their QB and adjust their personnel accordingly.

Well for us, Pease = Wildcat.

True, but lots of teams use regular personnel when running the wildcat.  Plus, it still looks like a Pease for Hubert RB substitution when he come in.  Would be much more obvious if it was Pease for Klein.

True, true.

Get out of here Emo. When have we substituted Pease for Hubert all year aside from the Wildcat?

Pretty much none... that was his point I think

You were saying it is so teams can't adjust personnel. He said that pease = wildcat for us. You come back with how it makes sense to sub pease for hubert instead of for Klein, and he concedes his point by your justification.

That's dumb.

My question was about in general though. I haven't seen too many situations where you have 5 wide and then are all of a sudden in the wildcat. I don't know how much personnel would change for the defense. Or that the possible personnel change would offset having a more skilled receiver or blocker instead of the qb. I might be an idiot about this, hence my title of this thread, but to me, if you are going to run the ball and are seeking to gain an advantage, why not bring in better blockers, etc. Especially for KSU where Klein is our featured back, what do we gain by the wildcat? Not much, if he isn't going to be featured in the play, why keep him in? We are essentially running wildcat all year long, I don't understand why we, or anyone else, keeps their qb in for this packages. I could see a 50/50 split or so of keeping him in and not keeping him in, to leave options open, but it seems it's more 90/10 that the qb stays in and is rarely used.

[Emo EMAW]

So that the defense doesn't see them substituting out their QB and adjust their personnel accordingly.

Well for us, Pease = Wildcat.

True, but lots of teams use regular personnel when running the wildcat.  Plus, it still looks like a Pease for Hubert RB substitution when he come in.  Would be much more obvious if it was Pease for Klein.

True, true.

Get out of here Emo. When have we substituted Pease for Hubert all year aside from the Wildcat?

What I meant was every time Pease was in we ran wildcat.  

[RightMeow]

If you sub for the qb, they will play more people in the box on defense.  If the qb is still in the game, split out or whatever, he could still do a shift and get back under center and throw the ball.  So as a d coordinator, you would be hesitant to pull your safeties down until the last minute.  Also, as you mentioned, the double pass is still in play.  Plus, even though the qb may not be a good reciever or blocker, he still has to be accounted for by a db, so you still should get the numbers you are looking for when running the ball between the tackles with your wildcat back (hat on a hat). 

With all of that said, I can see your point, Sundance.