Drones

[bones129]

I'm convinced I'm afflicted with drone envy. Oh, for a drone of my own.

[Dugout DickStone]

Oh no, those people would have otherwise loved the US and been a huge asset.  Crap, opportunity lost.

Well...maybe?  But blowing up their crap with flying robots probably ensures that they're going to not like us and maybe even take up arms against us.

No reason to stop trying to kill those who already have already taken up arms against us.

[DQ12]

Oh no, those people would have otherwise loved the US and been a huge asset.  Crap, opportunity lost.

Well...maybe?  But blowing up their crap with flying robots probably ensures that they're going to not like us and maybe even take up arms against us.

No reason to stop trying to kill those who already have already taken up arms against us.

Why do they take up arms against us in the first place?

[Dugout DickStone]

Oh no, those people would have otherwise loved the US and been a huge asset.  Crap, opportunity lost.

Well...maybe?  But blowing up their crap with flying robots probably ensures that they're going to not like us and maybe even take up arms against us.

No reason to stop trying to kill those who already have already taken up arms against us.

Why do they take up arms against us in the first place?

We are rich, good looking and don't believe in their god.  We were imperialist pigs for a century (in their eyes).  Let's not pretend that stopping drone strikes would turn the entire muslim world into our friends.  It wouldn't even turn but a few dozen in our favor.
But you know this.

[DQ12]

Oh no, those people would have otherwise loved the US and been a huge asset.  Crap, opportunity lost.

Well...maybe?  But blowing up their crap with flying robots probably ensures that they're going to not like us and maybe even take up arms against us.

No reason to stop trying to kill those who already have already taken up arms against us.

Why do they take up arms against us in the first place?

We are rich, good looking and don't believe in their god.  We were imperialist pigs for a century (in their eyes).  Let's not pretend that stopping drone strikes would turn the entire muslim world into our friends.  It wouldn't even turn but a few dozen in our favor.
But you know this.

I disagree with about everything you said.

[eastcat]

Oh no, those people would have otherwise loved the US and been a huge asset.  Crap, opportunity lost.

Well...maybe?  But blowing up their crap with flying robots probably ensures that they're going to not like us and maybe even take up arms against us.

No reason to stop trying to kill those who already have already taken up arms against us.

Why do they take up arms against us in the first place?

We are rich, good looking and don't believe in their god.  We were imperialist pigs for a century (in their eyes).  Let's not pretend that stopping drone strikes would turn the entire muslim world into our friends.  It wouldn't even turn but a few dozen in our favor.
But you know this.

I disagree with about everything you said.

That's fine.

logic isn't everyone's cup of tea.

go qhatz

[DQ12]

Oh no, those people would have otherwise loved the US and been a huge asset.  Crap, opportunity lost.

Well...maybe?  But blowing up their crap with flying robots probably ensures that they're going to not like us and maybe even take up arms against us.

No reason to stop trying to kill those who already have already taken up arms against us.

Why do they take up arms against us in the first place?

We are rich, good looking and don't believe in their god.  We were imperialist pigs for a century (in their eyes).  Let's not pretend that stopping drone strikes would turn the entire muslim world into our friends.  It wouldn't even turn but a few dozen in our favor.
But you know this.

I disagree with about everything you said.

That's fine.

logic isn't everyone's cup of tea.

go qhatz

no you are.

[Dugout DickStone]

Oh no, those people would have otherwise loved the US and been a huge asset.  Crap, opportunity lost.

Well...maybe?  But blowing up their crap with flying robots probably ensures that they're going to not like us and maybe even take up arms against us.

No reason to stop trying to kill those who already have already taken up arms against us.

Why do they take up arms against us in the first place?

We are rich, good looking and don't believe in their god.  We were imperialist pigs for a century (in their eyes).  Let's not pretend that stopping drone strikes would turn the entire muslim world into our friends.  It wouldn't even turn but a few dozen in our favor.
But you know this.

I disagree with about everything you said.

"about"?  They hate us, and they hated us a long time before we ever flew a drone.

[DQ12]

Oh no, those people would have otherwise loved the US and been a huge asset.  Crap, opportunity lost.

Well...maybe?  But blowing up their crap with flying robots probably ensures that they're going to not like us and maybe even take up arms against us.

No reason to stop trying to kill those who already have already taken up arms against us.

Why do they take up arms against us in the first place?

We are rich, good looking and don't believe in their god.  We were imperialist pigs for a century (in their eyes).  Let's not pretend that stopping drone strikes would turn the entire muslim world into our friends.  It wouldn't even turn but a few dozen in our favor.
But you know this.

I disagree with about everything you said.

"about"?  They hate us, and they hated us a long time before we ever flew a drone.

I don't disagree with any of that.  But even that is a little too simple for me.  My point is that, while stopping drone strikes probably wouldn't "turn" anyone in our favor, the continuation of the drone strikes, and agressive actions similar to the drone strikes, will likely make people in the future militantly oppose the US, who otherwise may not have. 

I don't agree with their motivation having to do with "rich, good looking and don't believe in their god."  Tons of countries fit that description that Middle Eastern people do not "take up arms" against.

[Dugout DickStone]

Oh no, those people would have otherwise loved the US and been a huge asset.  Crap, opportunity lost.

Well...maybe?  But blowing up their crap with flying robots probably ensures that they're going to not like us and maybe even take up arms against us.

No reason to stop trying to kill those who already have already taken up arms against us.

Why do they take up arms against us in the first place?

We are rich, good looking and don't believe in their god.  We were imperialist pigs for a century (in their eyes).  Let's not pretend that stopping drone strikes would turn the entire muslim world into our friends.  It wouldn't even turn but a few dozen in our favor.
But you know this.

I disagree with about everything you said.

"about"?  They hate us, and they hated us a long time before we ever flew a drone.

I don't disagree with any of that.  But even that is a little too simple for me.  My point is that, while stopping drone strikes probably wouldn't "turn" anyone in our favor, the continuation of the drone strikes, and agressive actions similar to the drone strikes, will likely make people in the future militantly oppose the US, who otherwise may not have. 

I don't agree with their motivation having to do with "rich, good looking and don't believe in their god."  Tons of countries fit that description that Middle Eastern people do not "take up arms" against.

When we stop going after the bad guys who plan attacks on our country because we are worried about angering some others who might turn into bad guys we are in troubs.

Not a lot.  All of Europe has been attacked at one point.  Russia, India etc.  Maybe Japan hasn't been.

[DQ12]

All of Europe has been attacked at one point.  Russia, India etc.  Maybe Japan hasn't been.

The UK, Spain, France, Russia...Turkey = all of Europe?  And these terrorists were principally motivated by their distaste for these countries' cultures? 

[Dugout DickStone]

All of Europe has been attacked at one point.  Russia, India etc.  Maybe Japan hasn't been.

The UK, Spain, France, Russia...Turkey = all of Europe?  And these terrorists were principally motivated by their distaste for these countries' cultures?

I guess Switz and Norway have been able to avoid them.  I will retract the "all of Europe" statement. 

Still not sure how parking the drones would stop terrorism.  Certainly think it is a risky strategy to leave them alone and wait for them to fall in love with the good ol USA.  I am not sure how many drones were in the air when the USS Cole was attacked in October of 2000.

[Pete]

"Drone Pilot" is probably THE very best job in the military, in any branch.

[Dugout DickStone]

Do you think Obama drives out to Virginia once in awhile and flies a few sorties?

[DQ12]

All of Europe has been attacked at one point.  Russia, India etc.  Maybe Japan hasn't been.

The UK, Spain, France, Russia...Turkey = all of Europe?  And these terrorists were principally motivated by their distaste for these countries' cultures?

I guess Switz and Norway have been able to avoid them.  I will retract the "all of Europe" statement. 

Still not sure how parking the drones would stop terrorism.  Certainly think it is a risky strategy to leave them alone and wait for them to fall in love with the good ol USA.  I am not sure how many drones were in the air when the USS Cole was attacked in October of 2000.

Yeah, Switzerland, Norway, and basically every other state in Europe not named UK, Spain, France, Russia or Turkey.

And I never said parking the drones would stop terrorism.  But getting the military and our military support out of the Middle East would stop islamist-terrorism in the US imo.  On the other hand, we will never do that. And I guess if we're going to be there, we better not pussy foot around.  "In for a penny, in for a pound." 

So we'll continue spending tons of money to liberate them by bombing the crap out of them and terrorizing them with drones and our absurdly sized military, and they'll continue committing terrorist attacks on the West "because they hate our culture."

Seems wrong to me though.

[Dugout DickStone]

All of Europe has been attacked at one point.  Russia, India etc.  Maybe Japan hasn't been.

The UK, Spain, France, Russia...Turkey = all of Europe?  And these terrorists were principally motivated by their distaste for these countries' cultures?

I guess Switz and Norway have been able to avoid them.  I will retract the "all of Europe" statement. 

Still not sure how parking the drones would stop terrorism.  Certainly think it is a risky strategy to leave them alone and wait for them to fall in love with the good ol USA.  I am not sure how many drones were in the air when the USS Cole was attacked in October of 2000.

Yeah, Switzerland, Norway, and basically every other state in Europe not named UK, Spain, France, Russia or Turkey.

And I never said parking the drones would stop terrorism.  But getting the military and our money out of the Middle East would stop islamist-terrorism in the US imo.  On the other hand, we will never do that. And I guess if we're going to be there, we better not pussy foot around.  "In for a penny, in for a pound." 

So we'll continue spending tons of money to liberate them by bombing the crap out of them and terrorizing them with drones and our absurdly sized military, and they'll continue committing terrorist attacks on the West "because they hate our culture."

Seems wrong to me though.

Thread is about drones.  The "we are evil Americans, lets cut the military budget" thread is a few pages back.  I'd be pretty on board with cutting that budget btw.

[michigancat]

"Drone Pilot" is probably THE very best job in the military, in any branch.

if it was recon missions only. I don't think it would be fun to fly one that kills children.

[DQ12]

Thread is about drones.

Good point.  I still think drones contribute to the problem to which i was alluding above.  We disagree about that, but that's okay.  It's pretty murky i think.

[ednksu]

"Drone Pilot" is probably THE very best job in the military, in any branch.

actually they have been getting more attention of late.  Huge issue with PTSD and grief issues.  Unlike many 'forward' positions these guys don't get time off.  So every day of their work week they are flying, blowing stuff up, in a weird kind of always on, but removed, combat mode.

[8manpick]

"Drone Pilot" is probably THE very best job in the military, in any branch.

actually they have been getting more attention of late.  Huge issue with PTSD and grief issues.  Unlike many 'forward' positions these guys don't get time off.  So every day of their work week they are flying, blowing stuff up, in a weird kind of always on, but removed, combat mode.

Yeah, this was the bump that got this dumpster fire going again:

This is a good read.  Part 2 is the best (worst?)

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/pain-continues-after-war-for-american-drone-pilot-a-872726.html