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WTF, Sebelius?
« on: December 07, 2011, 03:04:00 PM »


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Re: WTF, Sebelius?
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2011, 05:15:03 PM »
copy/paste please.

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Re: WTF, Sebelius?
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2011, 06:03:39 PM »
December 7, 2011 — Plan B One-Step -- the emergency contraceptive "morning-after pill" -- will remain hidden behind pharmacy counters. Girls under age 17 will still need a prescription.

Teva Pharmaceuticals had petitioned the FDA to allow stores to put Plan B on shelves with other family-planning products -- and to sell it to anyone who wanted it. The company conducted a study it said showed that girls as young as 12 could understand how to safely use the single-pill product.

The FDA agreed. In a statement released today, FDA Commissioner Margaret Hamburg, MD, said "there is adequate and reasonable, well-supported, and science-based evidence that Plan B One-Step is safe and effective and should be approved for nonprescription use for all females of childbearing potential."

But in an extremely unusual action, HHS Commissioner Kathleen Sebelius -- Hamburg's boss -- overruled the FDA.

Sebelius noted that about 10% of girls are able to get pregnant at age 11. In a statement, Sebelius said her action "reflects my conclusion that the data provided as part of the actual use study and the label comprehension study are not sufficient to support making Plan B One-Step available to all girls 16 and younger without talking to a health-care professional."

The studies submitted to FDA, as published, included girls aged 12 to 17. At least 79% of the youngest girls could understand the instructions.

By the time a girl gets a prescription for Plan B, it may be too late. The drug must be taken within three days -- 72 hours -- of unprotected sex.

"The sooner Plan B is taken, the better it works," Amy Niemann, vice president of Teva Women's Health, tells WebMD. "That is the entire rationale for having widespread availability for this product."

Nancy L. Stanwood, MD, MPH, section chief of family planning at Yale School of Medicine, says full OTC status would have made emergency contraception available to many more people who need it.

"The irony of Plan B not being OTC for women of all ages is that it has not been available for the women who need it the most," Stanwood tells WebMD. "Teens may be sexually active for a while before they see a doctor to get a prescription for contraceptives. ... [With emergency contraceptives] they don't just have to hope the condom doesn't break. There is something they can do."

And there's another group of women that may want emergency contraception: rape victims.

"Many women who have been raped do not come in for medical care, and many do not see a doctor in a timely manner," Stanwood says. "With over-the-counter sale of Plan B, at least they could do this. And young women are more likely to be raped. We want these women to get medical care, but most do not do it quickly."

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Re: WTF, Sebelius?
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2011, 08:11:03 PM »
Dr., is your girlfriend not old enough to buy it from the pharmacist?

Seriously though, this is a calculated move by the Obama administration to shore up any problems it may cause with socially conservative democrats. Purely a political move. Not  Sebelius' decision. It would be pretty sickening to see a 12 year old girl buying it anyway.

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Re: WTF, Sebelius?
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2011, 08:57:31 PM »
Seems like the morning after pill can have some pretty serious side effects.  I assume that's a major reason for not giving it OTC status.  Plus, it's not meant to be used as a frequent form of birth control.  Dunno, I'm just going on a small amount of infoI've read.

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Re: WTF, Sebelius?
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2011, 09:16:07 PM »
I think it already is OTC if you're over 17.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, K-State fans could have beheaded the entire KU team at midcourt, and K-State fans would be celebrating it this morning.  They are the ISIS of Big 12 fanbases.

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Re: WTF, Sebelius?
« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2011, 12:10:58 AM »
I think it already is OTC if you're over 17.

It is, but its kept behind the pharmacist's counter .

The perverts wanted it out with the lip gloss and skittles so a 12 year old could pick some up before the slumber party.  Some boys might sneak in after mom and dad go to bed.

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Re: WTF, Sebelius?
« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2011, 02:51:38 AM »
Seems like the morning after pill can have some pretty serious side effects.

Nah, not really.
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Plus, it's not meant to be used as a frequent form of birth control.

And it never would be.  It's $55 per dose. 

Sibelius looks like a big ol' dummy right now.
"walking around mhk and crying in the rain because of love lost is the absolute purest and best thing in the world.  i hope i fall in love during the next few weeks and get my heart broken and it starts raining just to experience it one last time."   --Dlew12

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Re: WTF, Sebelius?
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2011, 07:38:23 AM »
What would happen if a girl takes this when she's already a few months into her pregnancy?
I've said it before and I'll say it again, K-State fans could have beheaded the entire KU team at midcourt, and K-State fans would be celebrating it this morning.  They are the ISIS of Big 12 fanbases.

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Re: WTF, Sebelius?
« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2011, 08:52:50 AM »
Seems like the morning after pill can have some pretty serious side effects.

Nah, not really.
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Plus, it's not meant to be used as a frequent form of birth control.

And it never would be.  It's $55 per dose. 

Sibelius looks like a big ol' dummy right now.

Not her decision. She and the rest  of the perverted left have been pushing for the 12 year olds  for months.  The administration realized the political backlash would be too much.

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Re: WTF, Sebelius?
« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2011, 09:09:18 AM »
Seems like the morning after pill can have some pretty serious side effects.

Nah, not really.
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Plus, it's not meant to be used as a frequent form of birth control.

And it never would be.  It's $55 per dose. 

Sibelius looks like a big ol' dummy right now.

Not her decision. She and the rest  of the perverted left have been pushing for the 12 year olds  for months.  The administration realized the political backlash would be too much.

12 year olds were not the problem. It was those pesky 11 year olds. :shakesfist:

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Re: WTF, Sebelius?
« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2011, 09:49:08 AM »
What would happen if a girl takes this when she's already a few months into her pregnancy?

Absolutely nothing.  All it does is suppress ovulation and sometimes (rarely, from my understanding) impair implantation into uterine lining.   :nerd:
« Last Edit: December 08, 2011, 10:10:45 AM by SkinnyBenny »
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Re: WTF, Sebelius?
« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2011, 09:55:54 AM »
What would happen if a girl takes this when she's already a few months into her pregnancy?

Absolutely nothing.  All it does is suppress ovulation.   :nerd:

Apparently Lori on the walking dead didnt know this :smh:

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Re: WTF, Sebelius?
« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2011, 11:12:24 AM »
Can't imagine a large, artificial dose of progesterone or estrogen and progesterone would be a good thing for a pregnant woman.

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Re: WTF, Sebelius?
« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2011, 11:16:30 AM »
Can't imagine a large, artificial dose of progesterone or estrogen and progesterone would be a good thing for a pregnant woman.


Pfffft......they have enough massive amounts of hormones flowing that it prolly wouldn't make any difference.    :frown:

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Re: WTF, Sebelius?
« Reply #15 on: December 08, 2011, 11:30:29 AM »
Dr., is your girlfriend not old enough to buy it from the pharmacist?

Seriously though, this is a calculated move by the Obama administration to shore up any problems it may cause with socially conservative democrats. Purely a political move. Not  Sebelius' decision. It would be pretty sickening to see a 12 year old girl buying it anyway.

Seeing a 12 year old girl having a baby would be even more sickening, honestly.

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Re: WTF, Sebelius?
« Reply #16 on: December 08, 2011, 11:44:28 AM »
Since 12 year olds are able to understand all of the ramifications of purchasing and taking this drug, why don't we just legalize child porn and let them participate?   Actually, we don't even need to call it "child porn" anymore.  They will also be able to afford the pill without help from mommy and daddy.

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Re: WTF, Sebelius?
« Reply #17 on: December 08, 2011, 01:14:42 PM »
Can't imagine a large, artificial dose of progesterone or estrogen and progesterone would be a good thing for a pregnant woman.

http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=What+happens+if+you+take+plan+b+when+you%27re+already+pregnant%3F
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Re: WTF, Sebelius?
« Reply #18 on: December 08, 2011, 01:15:38 PM »
It would be pretty sickening to see a 12 year old girl buying it anyway.

Seeing a 12 year old girl having a baby would be even more sickening, honestly.

And this is what the retards fail to realize.
"walking around mhk and crying in the rain because of love lost is the absolute purest and best thing in the world.  i hope i fall in love during the next few weeks and get my heart broken and it starts raining just to experience it one last time."   --Dlew12

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Re: WTF, Sebelius?
« Reply #19 on: December 08, 2011, 01:29:01 PM »
Thanks for getting that for me.

"Plan B One-Step should not be used if a woman is pregnant or suspects that she may already be pregnant."

:dunno:

www.mckinley.illinois.edu/handouts/plan_b_contraception.html

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Re: WTF, Sebelius?
« Reply #20 on: December 08, 2011, 01:35:48 PM »
Had a condom break junior year of college. Love Plan B.

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Re: WTF, Sebelius?
« Reply #21 on: December 08, 2011, 01:43:42 PM »
It would be pretty sickening to see a 12 year old girl buying it anyway.

Seeing a 12 year old girl having a baby would be even more sickening, honestly.

And this is what the retards fail to realize.

 :facepalm:

I have no problem with Plan B, but 12 year olds can't even buy spray paint at Home Depot without their parents.

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Re: WTF, Sebelius?
« Reply #22 on: December 08, 2011, 01:46:40 PM »
And that's why keeping them from having kids should be our top priority. At pretty much any cost.
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Re: WTF, Sebelius?
« Reply #23 on: December 08, 2011, 01:57:55 PM »
I don't think anyone is saying that we should no allow young kids access to Plan B, just that some parental involvement is probably a good idea.  Also, whoever is having sex with that 12 yr old needs to be brought to the attention of the authorities.

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Re: WTF, Sebelius?
« Reply #24 on: December 08, 2011, 02:09:19 PM »
I don't think anyone is saying that we should no allow young kids access to Plan B, just that some parental involvement is probably a good idea.  Also, whoever is having sex with that 12 yr old needs to be brought to the attention of the authorities.

Good point, but sometimes 12 and 13 year old boys are sexually active, too.