HBBIQ Question

[SwiftCat]

Help a LBBIQ poster out.

 It feels like Rodney has played well in the sparing opportunities he has gotten. He doesn't always put up points, but at least he doesn't turn the ball over? He's shown some fantastic upside and relatively low mistakes, at least in my view. Does it really come down toe the Frank mantra of playing well in practice means more playing time?

[ZmoneyKSU]

I was just about to start a thread similar to this. 

I think it goes back to Frank's practice issue, which I think has some merit; however, we need Judge and McGruder to go to the next level this year.  It's just like we needed Pullen to go to the next level the Beasley/Walker year.  I didn't like how Frank handled Jake his freshman year because Jake was essentially our best guard that year, but Young and Stewart always got the minutes because they were 'safe' or more consistent, while Jake had the bigger upside.  Just like Wally and Lou this year.  We need Wally and Rodney to really be a real force come tourney time and I haven't always agreed with the minutes or lack there of they've gotten.

Besides, you can't tell me Beasley and Walker were always lights out in practice that year... yet do you think they're minutes were ever effected by it?

[Matt Siebrant's Left Hand]

Sad thing is I can see him (McGruder) and Judge playing inconsistent minutes next year as well. Purely from a speculation I wonder if he or Judge is considering transferring...
 
I can't say I know Frank on a personal level but I think it is safe to say he is a stubborn S.O.B. With that being said he sticks to an agenda which seems to be double edged sword.

[ZmoneyKSU]

Sad thing is I can see him (McGruder) and Judge playing inconsistent minutes next year as well.

Not if they put in the time...McGruder for sure because he will be extremely important. Judge, maybe, if only because of the log jam down low.

[Matt Siebrant's Left Hand]

Nick Russel, McGruder, Wally Judge. At least one of these guys will transfer. Hope it's just Nick.

[kso_FAN]

Nick Russel, McGruder, Wally Judge. At least one of these guys will transfer. Hope it's just Nick.

I doubt it.  If these guys are wise, and I think they are, they will see the minutes available to them next year and especially the year after.  I think Frank is honest with these guys about why they do or don't play.  If they accept that, then they'll be fine, and I think all these guys know what's up. 

[pissclams]

Nick Russel, McGruder, Wally Judge. At least one of these guys will transfer. Hope it's just Nick.

I doubt it.  If these guys are wise, and I think they are, they will see the minutes available to them next year and especially the year after.  I think Frank is honest with these guys about why they do or don't play.  If they accept that, then they'll be fine, and I think all these guys know what's up. 

i doubt it.  i bet everyone that didn't play at least 20 minutes last night and score in double figures most probs will transfer.  it happens all the time in big time programs. 

[mcmwcat]

frank said in the post game that the frosh are idiots and don't know where to be on offense.  not sure if he was generalizing for Wally's sake or if McGrud's is having issues as well.

[kso_FAN]

frank said in the post game that the frosh are idiots and don't know where to be on offense.  not sure if he was generalizing for Wally's sake or if McGrud's is having issues as well.

Probably both. 

If you look at the plays those guys make/made, its b/c they are great athletes.  You can see the upside and potential.  But clearly they have a lot to learn and can help in spots this year.  I thought they both did a good job of giving us that last night, it was our front line players (Sut, CK, J-S) having poor games that really cost us.

[mcmwcat]

frank said in the post game that the frosh are idiots and don't know where to be on offense.  not sure if he was generalizing for Wally's sake or if McGrud's is having issues as well.

Probably both. 

If you look at the plays those guys make/made, its b/c they are great athletes.  You can see the upside and potential.  But clearly they have a lot to learn and can help in spots this year.  I thought they both did a good job of giving us that last night, it was our front line players (Sut, CK, J-S) having poor games that really cost us.

i'm kind of hoping that he's used these last 7 games to teach the frosh the offense and rest them giving them a 2nd wind for the postseason.  but i doubt the 2nd wind theory because of the instensity of the practices is probably more draining than playing in games.

[PandaXpanda]

frank said in the post game that the frosh are idiots and don't know where to be on offense.  not sure if he was generalizing for Wally's sake or if McGrud's is having issues as well.

Probably both. 

If you look at the plays those guys make/made, its b/c they are great athletes.  You can see the upside and potential.  But clearly they have a lot to learn and can help in spots this year.  I thought they both did a good job of giving us that last night, it was our front line players (Sut, CK, J-S) having poor games that really cost us.

Agreed.  They're so much better athletes that it's easy for people to look passed the fact that they're not getting to the right place at the right time, within the offense. They both look more or less lost when they're away from the ball.  They're not gonna get rewarded with mins if they're doing things the wrong way.    

[BigPapi]

Nick Russel, McGruder, Wally Judge. At least one of these guys will transfer. Hope it's just Nick.

I doubt it.  If these guys are wise, and I think they are, they will see the minutes available to them next year and especially the year after.  I think Frank is honest with these guys about why they do or don't play.  If they accept that, then they'll be fine, and I think all these guys know what's up. 

i doubt it.  i bet everyone that didn't play at least 20 minutes last night and score in double figures most probs will transfer.  it happens all the time in big time programs. 

[mcmwcat]

So let me get this straight.

After 28 or so games, the Frosh still don't know where to go or what to do in Frank Martin's highly complex stand around offense??

Fascinating. 

  we do run set plays when they aren't in

[WillieWatanabe]

So let me get this straight.

After 28 or so games, the Frosh still don't know where to go or what to do in Frank Martin's highly complex stand around offense??

Fascinating. 

Easy Bob Knight

[kso_FAN]

Not hard guys.

I'll let it sink again . . . after 28 or so games (according to you guys) our Frosh still don't know what to do or where to go on offense (in Frank's highly simplistic system). 

(again) Fascinating

Nice new talking point there dax.

[kso_FAN]

Well others serve them up . . . I run with them

Anybody got an explanation as to why (supposedly) after 4 months and 28 or 29 games the frosh (supposedly) still don't know what to do out there??

I guess we really do need that basketball practice facility so frank can get out the sharpie and start marking up the floor.

All Frank said is we can't run as much of our offense with FR in there than without.  This doesn't seem like a big deal to me and is pretty normal in sports.  He never said they were inept or don't know anything about our offense, which is what you are making it sound like.

And I'd say they don't know as much b/c they don't get as many game reps or practice reps b/c the best players get those and they are worked in slowly as they pick it up.  This doesn't seem unusual to me.

[pissclams]

frank just doesn't want the frosh to get caught watchin' the paint dry

[ZmoneyKSU]

Well others serve them up . . . I run with them

Anybody got an explanation as to why (supposedly) after 4 months and 28 or 29 games the frosh (supposedly) still don't know what to do out there??

I guess we really do need that basketball practice facility so frank can get out the sharpie and start marking up the floor.

This

[Ghost of Stan Parrish]

Not hard guys.

I'll let it sink again . . . after 28 or so games (according to you guys) our Frosh still don't know what to do or where to go on offense (in Frank's highly simplistic system). 

(again) Fascinating

Fire Frank NOW!   

[PandaXpanda]

frank just doesn't want the frosh to get caught watchin' the paint dry

Huge part of it.  Their on ball defense isn't horrendous but you're not gonna get mins when the second the ball moves from your man you sit and stare from the outside looking in.  It's not about effort, they crash the boards hard, esp Mcgruder, but you shouldn't be caught 15 ft from the basket every time a shot goes up.  

[EMAWzified]

With not knowing what to do on offense, the freshmen put up better numbers than Colon, Dom.

[CHONGS]

Well others serve them up . . . I run with them

Anybody got an explanation as to why (supposedly) after 4 months and 28 or 29 games the frosh (supposedly) still don't know what to do out there??

I guess we really do need that basketball practice facility so frank can get out the sharpie and start marking up the floor.

What do YOU think the reason is?  NO hedging please. tia

[mcmwcat]

With not knowing what to do on offense, the freshmen put up better numbers than Colon, Dom.

yeah but it kinda hurts the team when you are running around doing your own thing and the rest of the team is running the offense.

[kougar24]

frank just doesn't want the frosh to get caught watchin' the paint dry

We're gonna run the picket fence at 'em!

[kso_FAN]

With not knowing what to do on offense, the freshmen put up better numbers than Colon, Dom.

yeah but it kinda hurts the team when you are running around doing your own thing and the rest of the team is running the offense.

You are right, they made some great athletic plays and they gave us what we need out of them.

But what should be clear after last night is that these two aren't quite ready to be major players yet.  We need their spark off the bench, but when they are asked to make up for issues with Sutt/J-S/CK, its not going to be enough against a team the caliber of Kansas.  Their good play last night should not make you think we need them more, it should make you realize how much we need the players that have played well (for the most part) all season to show up and play well.  8 points and 8 rebounds from those 3 is not going to get it done against many teams with a pulse.

Colon is a completely different matter IMO, but he had to play about 6-8 minutes more than he should b/c of the same issues.