does playing Arkansas hurt the image of our program

[Stupid Name]

yall

It's an SEC thing.

[FP TC etc.]

Sorry I don't have time to read 69 pages of how kansas state is the 2nd most recognizable program in the country and how Arkansas sucks. I can't wait to see them scorch yall now

All is forgiven. Enjoy the game!

[Fayettechill]

SEC fans really go to bat for each other. I, for one, am impressed. Just imagine if they weren't near as good as they thought they are? What if no one gave a eff about their "national titles". Can you even have a national title with no playoff? No, you really can't.

Kind of like the Oklahoma State fans that came on here cheering for you guys to rep the Big XII?

We don't give a damn. You guys can have your little pageantry contest if it makes you feel better.

Oh, and we do? We hate most of the teams in our conference. Especially LSU. Freakin' LSU

[razoredge178]

That's 42 total for the majority of you Kansas people who can't count past 10.

HA! Can we talk about the 'national image' of KState discussed in another thread? I've chuckled about it all day.

[FP TC etc.]

SEC fans really go to bat for each other. I, for one, am impressed. Just imagine if they weren't near as good as they thought they are? What if no one gave a eff about their "national titles". Can you even have a national title with no playoff? No, you really can't.

Kind of like the Oklahoma State fans that came on here cheering for you guys to rep the Big XII?

We don't give a damn. You guys can have your little pageantry contest if it makes you feel better.

Oh, and we do? We hate most of the teams in our conference. Especially LSU. Freakin' LSU

It's like you haven't learned a single thing after reading all these posts.

[FP TC etc.]

That's 42 total for the majority of you Kansas people who can't count past 10.

HA! Can we talk about the 'national image' of KState discussed in another thread? I've chuckled about it all day.

That's what the other thread is for... 

[AbeFroman]

Gamecock fan here just letting all of you delusional kstate fans know that you are playing the third best team in the country, because some of you just don't get who you are playing. Arkansas lost to the number 1 and 2 teams in the country. They will score over 40 points on yall and yall will be lucky to get to 20.

How long before we get on the South Carolina news?

[Fayettechill]

SEC fans really go to bat for each other. I, for one, am impressed. Just imagine if they weren't near as good as they thought they are? What if no one gave a eff about their "national titles". Can you even have a national title with no playoff? No, you really can't.

Kind of like the Oklahoma State fans that came on here cheering for you guys to rep the Big XII?

We don't give a damn. You guys can have your little pageantry contest if it makes you feel better.

Oh, and we do? We hate most of the teams in our conference. Especially LSU. Freakin' LSU

It's like you haven't learned a single thing after reading all these posts.

Haha no, I have not. Many of my brain cells have died after reading trolls and counter-trolls.

[theKSU]

I really think we need an objective view from Honorary EMAW Paul Finebaum, who loves the SEC more than anyone on the face of the Earth, and hates that these new teams are watering it down.  



Finebaum: Arkansas, South Carolina have been a drag on the SEC

In the mad dash for the Southeastern Conference to expand, it might be worth looking back 20 years to the last time the league went down this long and winding road.

When the league announced its expansion plans in 1990, once again Texas was the prettiest girl at the ball but rejected the SEC's overtures. Florida State was seriously courted and chose the ACC instead. The SEC ended up with Arkansas and South Carolina. So how did that turn out?

Since 1992, when the league expansion went into effect, has either Arkansas or South Carolina really brought anything to the dance? Instead of expanding by two or four, some have wondered if a better way of handling this would be addition by subtraction - starting with sending Arkansas and South Carolina back where they came from.

Take Arkansas ... please.

Paul Finebaum Column Head
The Hogs did account for an NCAA basketball title in 1994 and a runner-up finish the following year under Nolan Richardson. But they really haven't been worth a flip in the sport since. In the last 10 years, the Hogs have won a grand total of one NCAA tournament game.  Now, Arkansas is known for winning titles in cross country and indoor and outdoor track.

How about football? The Hogs have made three appearances in the SEC championship game - 1995, 2002 and 2006. The Hogs finished second in the SEC West in 2002 but Alabama was kept home because of NCAA probation. The Hogs are 0-3 in those title games, being outscored 102-34. Can you say not ready for prime time?

Arkansas hasn't been a total embarrassment during its SEC football run - nor has it really brought much to the table. No BCS appearances. Mostly, mediocrity. In 18 seasons, Arkansas has only posted a winning divisional record four times, based on actual results and excluding games later forfeited.

Oh, let us not forget the much hyped Arkansas visit to the Los Angeles Coliseum in 2005. How did the mighty SEC rep do against the top-ranked Trojans? The Hogs were slaughtered, 70-17. Arkansas was much improved in 2006 in the rematch at Fayetteville, only losing 50-14. Add it up and it spells USC 120, Arkansas 31. [Side Note: K-State is 2-0 vs. USC]
 
South Carolina has been even more miserable in 18 years. The Gamecocks made it to the NCAA basketball tournament in 1997 when they had a break-out season, making the field as a No. 2 seed. What happened? The Gamecocks promptly suffered one of the most humiliating losses in modern NCAA history, losing in the first round to Coppin State, 78-65.  Back again next year, the same thing happened, with Richmond knocking USC out in the first round. An NCAA appearance banner finally went back up again in 2004, and once again, a first-round knockout.

In football, the school has hired two Hall of Fame coaches in Lou Holtz and Steve Spurrier. Both have done more with less.

In 18 seasons in the SEC, the Gamecocks have been to seven postseason bowls, the biggest being the Outback. Only three times have the Gamecocks posted a winning record in their division. In 18 years, how many times do you think the Gamecocks have gone north of winning eight games? Once.

The school has also managed the daily double of going 0-8 back to back in the SEC East in 1998 and 1999, a combined 1-21 during those years in all games.

And frankly, it is not like Arkansas and South Carolina have really brought television viewers to the SEC footprint. South Carolina ranks No. 24 among the largest states and Arkansas is at No.  32.  Arkansas did give us a president - Bill Clinton - who was impeached but not convicted. South Carolina gave us a governor - Mark Sanford - who was nearly impeached.

So did the SEC make a good decision nearly 20 years ago when it settled for Arkansas and South Carolina?

Before answering, take a quick look at how the two who got away have done during this period in football.

Texas has won a BCS title and lost another to Alabama. In all, the Longhorns have made four BCS appearances. Also, since 1992, the Longhorns have finished in the top 10 in the final AP poll seven times.

And what about FSU?

Since shunning the SEC, FSU has won two national titles and played for No. 1 five times - including three straight BCS title games between 1998-2000. The Seminoles have also notched nine top-five finishes in the final AP poll during this period.

What does this prove? Well, it clearly shows the SEC lost badly when Texas and Florida State slipped away 20 years ago. Especially when you consider their population footprint -- Texas ranks No.2 and Florida is No. 4.

As for Arkansas and South Carolina, have they brought anything to the table? Not much, unless you considering taking up space a major accomplishment.

[asava]

http://nwahomepage.com/fulltext-news/?nxd_id=290407

 

personal attacks!?!?!

mods! MODZ?!

[pike]

What if no one gave a eff about their "national titles". Can you even have a national title with no playoff? No, you really can't.

So says the guy whose team has ZERO National Championships. Envy much?

Keep drinking the Haterade!

No dumb eff. The system is broke and always has been. If aliens came to Earth and saw that we allow a bunch of Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) journalists decide our national championship game they would probably just put us out our misery.

[farmerchip]

I'm probably going to lose sleep over this.  I hate you guys.



 

[pbo34]

I really think we need an objective view from Honorary EMAW Paul Finebaum, who loves the SEC more than anyone on the face of the Earth, and hates that these new teams are watering it down.  


We're both not in the top 10 in the bcs rankings or anything...Is Kansas State?

[razoredge178]

Looking forward to our 3rd SEC win this year.

The problem is that KState is the Vanderbilt of the SEC...they sneak up and win a few each year b/c the other team withdraws effort due to a lack of interest.

[wps501]

What if no one gave a eff about their "national titles". Can you even have a national title with no playoff? No, you really can't.

So says the guy whose team has ZERO National Championships. Envy much?

Keep drinking the Haterade!

No dumb eff. The system is broke and always has been. If aliens came to Earth and saw that we allow a bunch of Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) journalists decide our national championship game they would probably just put us out our misery.

well if ur program is sooo great and recognizable then wouldn't the journalist love you??? seems like they REALLY love ND!! LOLOL

[FP TC etc.]

What if no one gave a eff about their "national titles". Can you even have a national title with no playoff? No, you really can't.

So says the guy whose team has ZERO National Championships. Envy much?

Keep drinking the Haterade!

No dumb eff. The system is broke and always has been. If aliens came to Earth and saw that we allow a bunch of Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) journalists decide our national championship game they would probably just put us out our misery.

well if ur program is sooo great and recognizable then wouldn't the journalist love you??? seems like they REALLY love ND!! LOLOL

LOLOL

[pike]

What if no one gave a eff about their "national titles". Can you even have a national title with no playoff? No, you really can't.

So says the guy whose team has ZERO National Championships. Envy much?

Keep drinking the Haterade!

No dumb eff. The system is broke and always has been. If aliens came to Earth and saw that we allow a bunch of Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) journalists decide our national championship game they would probably just put us out our misery.

well if ur program is sooo great and recognizable then wouldn't the journalist love you??? seems like they REALLY love ND!! LOLOL

That's the inherent flaw in the entire system. Good lord 

[Super PurpleCat]

Looking forward to our 3rd SEC win this year.

The problem is that KState is the Vanderbilt of the SEC...they sneak up and win a few each year b/c the other team withdraws effort due to a lack of interest.

That's good, right?  Isn't a Commodore the guy in charge of a thingy?

[mobbster]

Arkansas is number 3 in the SEC, they lost only to the two teams ranked higher than them.  SEC is number 1.  And everyone on here has the nerve to be ignorant, racist and better than thou.  Arkansas is a great state and has a great athletics program.  Yet you people look down on them like they are scum.  You probably have never even been there.  I can't believe anyone would treat others with such disrespect.

[Fayettechill]

http://nwahomepage.com/fulltext-news/?nxd_id=290407

 

personal attacks!?!?!

mods! MODZ?!

A K-State alum just tossed this joke of a site under the bus.

[FP TC etc.]

Arkansas is number 3 in the SEC, they lost only to the two teams ranked higher than them.  SEC is number 1.  And everyone on here has the nerve to be ignorant, racist and better than thou.  Arkansas is a great state and has a great athletics program.  Yet you people look down on them like they are scum.  You probably have never even been there.  I can't believe anyone would treat others with such disrespect.

I hear they are really good at mens track. confirm/deny?

[Effkstateforlife]

You are the dumbest person in this blog!!! OU should be #2! hahaahahaahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!! You did see their game against texas tech right? Your weak sauce team in your weak sauce conference would be in the lower half of the SEC at best!!! ANd you wonder why everyone is leaving that trash conference? well its because they want real competition!!! and to say that you are elite is another dumbass comment!! In case you were wondering krap state didnt win a bowl game until '93!!

[pike]

Arkansas is number 3 in the SEC, they lost only to the two teams ranked higher than them.  SEC is number 1.  And everyone on here has the nerve to be ignorant, racist and better than thou.  Arkansas is a great state and has a great athletics program.  Yet you people look down on them like they are scum.  You probably have never even been there.  I can't believe anyone would treat others with such disrespect.

I hear they are really good at mens track. confirm/deny?

They also lost to #1 and #2

[Fayettechill]

Arkansas is number 3 in the SEC, they lost only to the two teams ranked higher than them.  SEC is number 1.  And everyone on here has the nerve to be ignorant, racist and better than thou.  Arkansas is a great state and has a great athletics program.  Yet you people look down on them like they are scum.  You probably have never even been there.  I can't believe anyone would treat others with such disrespect.

I hear they are really good at mens track. confirm/deny?

Confirm

[FP TC etc.]

Looking forward to our 3rd SEC win this year.

The problem is that KState is the Vanderbilt of the SEC...they sneak up and win a few each year b/c the other team withdraws effort due to a lack of interest.

That's good, right?  Isn't a Commodore the guy in charge of a thingy?

I thought it was a type of bird?