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Game 5: GW Peggy Po's Nancy Neg's
« on: December 01, 2011, 11:56:21 PM »
Peggy Po's

Gipson is a freshman?  He has incredible hands.  He is learning to boss the lane and not settle for moves away from the basket.  He absorbs contact.  He uses ball fakes.  He hustles to get in position for rebounds.  On the jump ball late in the second half, long after the game had reached a new level of physicality, Thomas muscled his way in to a scrum and emerged with the ball and what appeared to be yet another trip to the line.  It was extremely heartening.  He is the Peggiest of all of my Po's.  He is still getting gassed too easily.

Jamar nearly had his very own version of a triple double.  10 points, 10 rebounds, 7 TO+Fouls.  1-2 from 3, 1-4 from the line.  Many nights, Jamar is the tin man and the scarecrow.  But he played with his heart tonight.  So frustrating to watch, but I think he will have a better season than last year.  He needs to limit the games in which he completely removes himself with fouls and/or turnovers.  He definitely showed more persistence when he was getting contact in the post than at almost any point last year.  I am as happy as I can be with Jamar.

JO's career high for boards is 11?  Well, not that we've got that out of the way, let's do more of it.  Overall a pretty disappointing night for JO on offense.  Two potential dunks on bitches thwarted.  The first when he finger rolled off the dribble, the second being the missed oop.

Sprads is Sprads is Sprads.  14 points.  4 rebounds.  2 charges taken.  Cannot and will not be a creative force on offense.  He can make the first pass and then move, but he is incapable or scared of throwing an offensive pass.  His only assists are dribble drives that get cut off at the elbow for an open three.  Shawnee Mission streetball only prepares you for so much vision it seems.  Super Clent is doing just fine by me.

Tay in #teamangel's base, stealin' yo minutes.  I see you tay.  I see you D'ing up on Taylor.  Very solid role player minutes.  Our problem is we need some more sparkle from the opposite of Sprads.  Tay has explosiveness and is showing his defense, but his offensive game will always be limited by his lapses in control and his 3 point shooting.  If either can hold steady for a game we may have something here.

Vic's career high 4 points.  GET EM ENERGY 2.0!

Nancy Neg's

Jamar's inexplicable pass to cap a 5 point run in 2 seconds

Shane Southwell's sleepy 25 minutes.  He's like Akeem Wright if Akeem Wright's defense with the dimmer down and then the dimmer slightly up on everything else.  A soft white 60 watt, dialed back, ready for love.  Maybe this should be a Peggy Po, but I would rather run out Nino, or Omari or Jones or something.  Shane did do a decent number on their backyard Serbian.  Could've gone either way here.  I'm just kind of bored with this and Shane's terrible transition and completely random passing ability have me upset.

#teamangel  Still has not figured out how to not foul.  On ball defense my ass.  3 pointers and the rest meh.  Still can not run a break.

Omari  will he ever play?  Not if Vic has anything to say about it.

McGruder's shooting Slumpy McOreb's.  Just not knocking down shots.  Has clearly worked to develop his dribble game.  It sucks most of the time, but when he pump fakes and heads to the elbow or the lane for a floater it is solid.  I really hope this gets sorted out.  Lacks spark and energy, the slump is affecting him.

This nervous, weak, panicked team.  I swear MU or KU would destroy us by a magillion points by just pressing us until we cry uncle.  Frank would yell the first time out.  Then he would stare the second time out while Sprads periodically did his best "Come on guys" whine.  Then the last timeout of the first half, once we are down by 12-20 or so, would be Frank giving the calm "its up to you guys, just do whatever the eff you want" schitck.  I have zero idea why GW tried to junk us in the half court and did not repeatedly try to increase the tempo.


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Re: Game 5: GW Peggy Po's Nancy Neg's
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2011, 12:07:16 AM »
Sprads is Sprads is Sprads.  14 points.  4 rebounds.  2 charges taken.  Cannot and will not be a creative force on offense.

agree with the will not, not with the can not.  he has the game to score, it's disappointing to see him not trying to do anything but throw up js.
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Re: Game 5: GW Peggy Po's Nancy Neg's
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2011, 12:10:11 AM »
Peggy po,


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Re: Game 5: GW Peggy Po's Nancy Neg's
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2011, 12:12:23 AM »
Sprads is Sprads is Sprads.  14 points.  4 rebounds.  2 charges taken.  Cannot and will not be a creative force on offense.

agree with the will not, not with the can not.  he has the game to score, it's disappointing to see him not trying to do anything but throw up js.

Will not is probably right.  I got a little zacker on this one.

By the way, your #teamangel on ball defense point was terrible.  He is a fouling machine.

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Re: Game 5: GW Peggy Po's Nancy Neg's
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2011, 12:53:24 AM »
Great job Tortuga, pretty much on point sir! Still don't know why everyone has expectations of Omari being something. Watsons tweet about being disappointed and frustrated was disheartening, he'll be franked I'm sure! And I'm pretty positive Jeremy Jones is the 2.0 version of Devon Peterson this year!?

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Re: Game 5: GW Peggy Po's Nancy Neg's
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2011, 01:48:28 AM »
By the way, your #teamangel on ball defense point was terrible.  He is a fouling machine.

you think he can't defend because he likes to hand check?  gmafb, he's strong, has great feet and knows how to defend.  compared to a typical freshman guard, he's light years better.  he'll be the best perimeter defender on the team by the end of the year.  he might be already (yes, i heard what martin said re. irving).
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Re: Game 5: GW Peggy Po's Nancy Neg's
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2011, 02:16:48 AM »
I've been harping on Sprads for 13 months.  I was furious with his first half and I bitched to everyone I saw.  Here's the deal though, he is capable of being a volume scorer.  I was very pleased with him in the second half.  He had the following sequence in a 30 second span.  Missed 3, offensive rebound, made jumper, had a 3 blocked on an aggressive drive to the basket, made 3.

After the game I got pissed again, every game to this point he has slept walked/pissed his pants through the first half and actually played the second half.  He's capable Frank needs to pressure him to play two halves.  I can't imagine how bad people would be freaking out if another player routinely had shitty first halves and great second halves.  Guaranteed people would be talking about the players effort, yet Sprads is skating by.  Frank needs to bust his ass.  He needs to be a volume scorer at best a consistent threat to pressure the defense at worst.  The other guards, Rod included, can't bear any offensive load for an extended time and we currently have far too much pressure on Jamar and Big Gip to score.  We will not have the success we expect if Will doesn't take over, he needs to grow up now.  Also as sexy as Shane is, I'm ready to see more minutes for Dumbo.

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Re: Re: Re: Game 5: GW Peggy Po's Nancy Neg's
« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2011, 03:15:28 AM »
By the way, your #teamangel on ball defense point was terrible.  He is a fouling machine.

you think he can't defend because he likes to hand check?  gmafb, he's strong, has great feet and knows how to defend.  compared to a typical freshman guard, he's light years better.  he'll be the best perimeter defender on the team by the end of the year.  he might be already (yes, i heard what martin said re. irving).

At best he's sprads level.

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Re: Game 5: GW Peggy Po's Nancy Neg's
« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2011, 07:34:19 AM »
These are great threads.

Another PP was the amount of goEMAW presense in Sect 17 last night.

As for the discussion points; I agree completely on the frustration of Sprad's continuing to be tentative in the first half and #teamangel's poor on-ball defense technique. I do agree in part that a lot of it is just getting rid of high school habits, but some is also getting used to the speed and ability of D1 guards. I think he'll eventually figure it out this year. And Sprads has to play better for 40 minutes. I really liked a lot of what he did in the 2nd half, but that just makes another poor first half more frustrating.

I've also got to put Tay in the PP section, I thought he did a really nice job last night. Hit our first 3, played really good defense, 4 assists even though he didn't shoot really well overall. He can help quite a bit this year if he can play like that night in and night out.

I actually thought overall we did a couple things pretty nice; most of the time we did a good job pushing the ball and trying to create tempo and at times we had pretty solid movement on offense. The first half frustrations to me were really about missing open jump shots; we had plenty of good looks and didn't knock them down and most of them were generated from the offense.

And McGrud's has got to hit shots as well. Its really early, but he must improve on his 26% shooting from 3. And JO has to get a lot better and find his way out of Frank's doghouse. Those two are key players this year and we've got to have more from them if we want to be a NCAA team.

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Re: Game 5: GW Peggy Po's Nancy Neg's
« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2011, 07:38:01 AM »
Po:  Gipson is the most exciting true freshman we've had since Walker/Beasley.  He's playing at a legit Big XII level 5 games in to his career and only going to get better.  Big, strong, aggressive, can hit a baby hook with both hands, has a mid range jumper, and is decent from the stripe.  Tonight, I though was telling, because he was 5 inches shorter than both of GW's bigs and still owned them in the paint.  This is promising moving forward well into the future.  

Neg:  What does this say about our big man development, when a kid five games removed highschool is by far the most polished post player we have on the roster, and by a wide margin?  J.O. Is essentially the same player offensively as he was a freshman.  The same.  Better rebounder and more physically developed, but has no legitimate post moves or any semblance of control under the basket, in his third year.  Samuels, same story.  Diaz, I fear we're going down an identical path.  The lack of progress is really disconcerting.
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Re: Game 5: GW Peggy Po's Nancy Neg's
« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2011, 07:40:59 AM »
 How has our perimeter d not come up yet? Repeatedly our midmajory guards get beat, help shits, dump made to wide open perimeter.  Not the first time this has happened.


This is what will kill us against our league.  
  Gips ball handling moves are a wonderful surprise as well as his consistency in backing to the basket.

Also, couldn't agree more on gip and jamar.

Also, also, our full court press is pitiful.
Prob not worked much on it yet, but JFC.


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Re: Game 5: GW Peggy Po's Nancy Neg's
« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2011, 07:44:00 AM »
Saying JO is no better at offense now than as a frosh is ridic

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Re: Game 5: GW Peggy Po's Nancy Neg's
« Reply #12 on: December 02, 2011, 07:51:53 AM »
PP: 5 spot bounce in kenpom

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Re: Game 5: GW Peggy Po's Nancy Neg's
« Reply #13 on: December 02, 2011, 08:06:44 AM »
I enjoyed Gruds baseline drive to the bucket for the DOB attempt even though he missed  :love:

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Re: Game 5: GW Peggy Po's Nancy Neg's
« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2011, 08:16:50 AM »
NN; 1-10 first half 3pt shooting

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Re: Game 5: GW Peggy Po's Nancy Neg's
« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2011, 08:19:59 AM »
How has our perimeter d not come up yet? Repeatedly our midmajory guards get beat, help shits, dump made to wide open perimeter.  Not the first time this has happened.


This is what will kill us against our league.  
  Gips ball handling moves are a wonderful surprise as well as his consistency in backing to the basket.

Also, couldn't agree more on gip and jamar.

Also, also, our full court press is pitiful.
Prob not worked much on it yet, but JFC.



It was very ugly. I did enjoy getting multiple 5 seconds calls, though.

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Re: Game 5: GW Peggy Po's Nancy Neg's
« Reply #16 on: December 02, 2011, 08:34:07 AM »
PP:  gipson has a very high BBIQ, not intimidated at all
PP:  angel is the same.  high bbiq, quick feet, not afraid to be on the floor, just plays his game
PP:  frank doesn't seem as addicted to substitutions as he has been in years past

NN:  we need to hedge better on the perimeter screens
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NN:  team still has v low entry pass iq





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Re: Game 5: GW Peggy Po's Nancy Neg's
« Reply #17 on: December 02, 2011, 08:38:33 AM »
Nancy: I agree with CNS. We were watching help defense most of the game, excluding the Tave. If our guards are needing help every time their man is putting the ball on the ground, there's a good chance that our posts will suffer with fouls due to getting there late and trying to block the ball. They need to contain.

Po: Big positive about Gipson is his stand-straight-up defense that J.O. still hasn't caught on to. It's a beautiful thing when a help defense is a brick wall that isn't foul prone.

Po: Jam Sam had some great effort out there and created a lot of second chances for us. I think he'll do some great things for us this year.

Nancy: I can't believe that J.O. is blowing offensive possessions as bad as he still is. He's weak with the ball and when he has an opportunity to dunk it, he throws it off the back board as hard as he can. I expected big things from him this year, and for him to be in my "has potential" category is saddening. And once again, he is very frustrating to watch on help defense when all he does is slap the guy on the arm and cry about it saying it was a block. If he stood straight up, it would be very difficult for a driving guard to make a floater over him.

Nancy: Sugar was playing extremely selfish ball out there. I know he has NBA aspirations, but his dribble drive into three opposing players was pretty stupid.

We had a decent game overall, just a few defensive breakdowns and a lot of missed shots (but the shots were open and created by the offense), which is acceptable for this time of the year.

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Re: Game 5: GW Peggy Po's Nancy Neg's
« Reply #18 on: December 02, 2011, 08:40:47 AM »
wut?

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Re: Game 5: GW Peggy Po's Nancy Neg's
« Reply #19 on: December 02, 2011, 08:44:21 AM »
Nancy: Sugar was playing extremely selfish ball out there. I know he has NBA aspirations, but his dribble drive into three opposing players was pretty stupid.

the eff is sugar?  shane?  because of the boxer? 

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Re: Game 5: GW Peggy Po's Nancy Neg's
« Reply #20 on: December 02, 2011, 08:45:05 AM »
pp:  kk sticking to his #teamhateangel stance and looking like a fool  :lol:

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Re: Game 5: GW Peggy Po's Nancy Neg's
« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2011, 08:48:50 AM »
Nancy: Sugar was playing extremely selfish ball out there. I know he has NBA aspirations, but his dribble drive into three opposing players was pretty stupid.

the eff is sugar?  shane?  because of the boxer? 

Yeah, I guess I forgot what he is referred to on here as.

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Re: Game 5: GW Peggy Po's Nancy Neg's
« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2011, 08:49:40 AM »
Nancy: Sugar was playing extremely selfish ball out there. I know he has NBA aspirations, but his dribble drive into three opposing players was pretty stupid.

the eff is sugar?  shane?  because of the boxer? 

Yeah, I guess I forgot what he is referred to on here as.

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Re: Game 5: GW Peggy Po's Nancy Neg's
« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2011, 08:51:32 AM »
pp:  gip firing up a 3.  bomb away bro, you've earned it. 

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Re: Game 5: GW Peggy Po's Nancy Neg's
« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2011, 09:01:31 AM »
PP: Frank drawing up a perfect alley oop back door play
NN: JO and Will blowing it up.