A look at pass defense (good and bad) against OSU.

[kso_FAN]

http://goEMAW.com/blog/?p=1463

[Skipper44]

  at the graphical representation of 2y's dirty look for Elamur

[kso_FAN]

at the graphical representation of 2y's dirty look for Elamur

I had to, Hartman's reaction was immediate. Hartman makes his fair share of coverage mistakes, but I think his reaction has some credibility on this one.

[WillieWatanabe]

good stuff _FAN.

[sekpoke]

Long time lurker.  Really enjoy your insight on this and other football topics.

[Lefty]

_Fan, can we safely point a finger at Lamur for screwing up most of the coverage mistakes? He's been suspect all year in coverage over the middle and appears lost on many of the plays.

[kso_FAN]

_Fan, can we safely point a finger at Lamur for screwing up most of the coverage mistakes? He's been suspect all year in coverage over the middle and appears lost on many of the plays.

I'd say its safe to say he struggles with many of the coverage concepts. But he is in his 3rd defense and moved from safety to linebacker, so I'll give him that. This is where the coaching turnover (Koenning-Burns-Hayes) and scheme switches catch up with you. Plus Brown isn't the best in coverage either and that was one of the risks in switching from a 4-2-5 to a 4-3. I still believe its important to limit the running game in today's pass happy college football (which we've done pretty well), we just have to find ways to fix these mistakes against great throwing teams like OU and OSU. And part of that is just recruiting talent and having it in your system for multiple years as well.

Don't get me wrong, this is not an endorsement of or a desire to keep Cosh around, but those are legitimately some of our issues. One of Cosh's biggest problems is going into conservative mode and this year that leads to sticking with cover 2 while not bringing pressure and/or disguising coverages. We don't need to do those things all the time, given our personnel staying in cover 2 zones most of the time is probably sound, but you've got to be willing to take a few more chances and change things up more than Cosh seems willing to do IMHO.

[catzacker]

On the TD to Moore where 2y looks at Elamur...like, regardless of whether he got jammed or not, I mean, Hartman isn't going to be able to get there.  Look where Hartman's lined up.  There's 3 defenders to two receivers, up top has 3 defenders to 3 receivers....and Hartman is going to shade the outiside shoulder of the inside receiver?  I mean, wtf is that alignment? He's 6 yards from the f'ing sideline and from his alignment about 15/18 or so yards from the end of his "zone" to the middle of the field.  Lamur was probably supposed to get some more depth towards the inside, but even then look at where hartman starts and finishes...all he did was f'ing backpedal

[Lefty]

I thought he'd be dynamite as a coverage linebacker, but he's the opposite. Especially considering his move from SS, you'd think he could grasp the concepts quicker than most.

I'm willing to give Arthur a pass as a bad cover backer. His quickness and ability to change direction seems to be drastically effected by his injury. He can go straight ahead just fine, but shifting and turning he's all out of sorts.

I'm with you on Cosh's tendency to play the bend/break card and I don't like it one bit. But he's been hampered by bad linebacker play and player mistakes as well.

At least we have the Scheme Dr to fall back on.

[kso_FAN]

On the TD to Moore where 2y looks at Elamur...like, regardless of whether he got jammed or not, I mean, Hartman isn't going to be able to get there.  Look where Hartman's lined up.  There's 3 defenders to two receivers, up top has 3 defenders to 3 receivers....and Hartman is going to shade the outiside shoulder of the inside receiver?  I mean, wtf is that alignment? He's 6 yards from the f'ing sideline and from his alignment about 15/18 or so yards from the end of his "zone" to the middle of the field.  Lamur was probably supposed to get some more depth towards the inside, but even then look at where hartman starts and finishes...all he did was f'ing backpedal

Its hard to tell, but it looks like both Hartman and Lamur were overly focused on Blackmon on the outside. Neither seemed to account for Moore, but if it was a version of cover 2 then Lamur has to help over the middle either by a good jam on the inside receiver, or taking #2 man if he crosses. Either way, my main complaint is playing cover 2 on the goalline in the first place. I'd rather take a chance with some sort of man with a free defender to bracket Blackmon. Then send some pressure from one of the inside linebackers.

[swish1]

_fan pretty much proving lamur, hartman and zimmerman are all terrible.

[catzacker]

Either way, my main complaint is playing cover 2 on the goalline in the first place. I'd rather take a chance with some sort of man with a free defender to bracket Blackmon. Then send some pressure from one of the inside linebackers.

i completely agree with this.  I think we made them kick a field goal by doing so in the redzone in the first half.  Voelker knocked down a pass or something.  Maybe that was on a 2nd down and then Garret made a nice play on the following 3rd down in press coverage.  I duuno.

[kso_FAN]

Either way, my main complaint is playing cover 2 on the goalline in the first place. I'd rather take a chance with some sort of man with a free defender to bracket Blackmon. Then send some pressure from one of the inside linebackers.

i completely agree with this.  I think we made them kick a field goal by doing so in the redzone in the first half.  Voelker knocked down a pass or something.  Maybe that was on a 2nd down and then Garret made a nice play on the following 3rd down in press coverage.  I duuno.

Yes, Voelker knocked it down.

And I'd especially rather do something agressive in that situation, especially after a quick change like that.

[sonofdaxjones]

Did Weeden's jersey even have one tiny speck of rubber in-fill on it?

I don't think it did.

[Fuktard]

If OSU would have had 10 more possessions, they would have had 10 more touchdowns.  By the 4th quarter, I celebrating forcing them into 2nd down.

[bigDcat]

Cole Manbeck:

K-State's defense is allowing 1.13 points per minute it's on the field this season. Last year it allowed .99.

That is bad.

[Cire]

On the TD to Moore where 2y looks at Elamur...like, regardless of whether he got jammed or not, I mean, Hartman isn't going to be able to get there.  Look where Hartman's lined up.  There's 3 defenders to two receivers, up top has 3 defenders to 3 receivers....and Hartman is going to shade the outiside shoulder of the inside receiver?  I mean, wtf is that alignment? He's 6 yards from the f'ing sideline and from his alignment about 15/18 or so yards from the end of his "zone" to the middle of the field.  Lamur was probably supposed to get some more depth towards the inside, but even then look at where hartman starts and finishes...all he did was f'ing backpedal

Its hard to tell, but it looks like both Hartman and Lamur were overly focused on Blackmon on the outside. Neither seemed to account for Moore, but if it was a version of cover 2 then Lamur has to help over the middle either by a good jam on the inside receiver, or taking #2 man if he crosses. Either way, my main complaint is playing cover 2 on the goalline in the first place. I'd rather take a chance with some sort of man with a free defender to bracket Blackmon. Then send some pressure from one of the inside linebackers.

kstate had a defensive playbook from 96 on scribd at one time.  one of the key defensive philosophy in there was to get more agressive once a team entered the scoring zone inside the 30.  I think the stoops's would have had a stroke watching us in a cover two in that situation.