i'm not saying that K-St is a horrible bball program by any means, Martin is a really good coach (motivator), who gets the most from his players. That being said, he simply doesn't assemble the same quality of talent that Self does (even in his down years - talent wise), that's all i'm trying to point out
Robinson, Taylor and Johnson have been used more as role players in past years to future pros/upperclassman, but are all capable of having break-out seasons due to their talent-level and new found prominent roles on this year's squad. So their stats from previous years are useless (which you'll know). And the rebuttal from K-St fans will probably be; well why were they role players if they are so good? Well, Self has had stacked rosters for the past several years, causing them to wait their turn. Here's another "stat" for you'll; KU in the past 5 seasons has won more games than anyone in the history of the sport (in a 5-year span), but hey, K-State beat KU twice in that time-span so K-St's got that going for them
at the end of the day, just alittle friendly banter between rival fans (i've notice you guys sometime play coy to entice KU fans to keep posting on topics). i won't post anything vulgar or attack anyone, just having some fun. i have great respect for K-St and their fans (as passionate as fans get) good luck this season