A look at the last three plays in Stillwater

[kso_FAN]

Disappointing: http://goEMAW.com/blog/?p=1419

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[Dr Rick Daris]

great work. why no first play?

[kso_FAN]

great work. why no first play?

Still trying to find the video. My espn3 isn't working.

[Dr Rick Daris]

great work. why no first play?

Still trying to find the video. My espn3 isn't working.

i only have a super pak'd memory of that play call, but it made me pretty upset at the time. had no issues w/ the other two. would love, love, love to see it broken down.

[pike]

LHC Bill Snyder is such a genius that he schemed himself 

[pissclams]

this video accurately summarizes my feelings after reading _Fan's descripto.

[kso_FAN]

great work. why no first play?

Still trying to find the video. My espn3 isn't working.

i only have a super pak'd memory of that play call, but it made me pretty upset at the time. had no issues w/ the other two. would love, love, love to see it broken down.

Yeah, I really want to see it again.

[Dr Rick Daris]

great work. why no first play?

Still trying to find the video. My espn3 isn't working.

i only have a super pak'd memory of that play call, but it made me pretty upset at the time. had no issues w/ the other two. would love, love, love to see it broken down.

Yeah, I really want to see it again.

what about your espn3 isn't working? do you need a login?

[Fuktard]

great work. why no first play?

Still trying to find the video. My espn3 isn't working.

i only have a super pak'd memory of that play call, but it made me pretty upset at the time. had no issues w/ the other two. would love, love, love to see it broken down.

Yeah, I really want to see it again.

I didn't have a huge problem with it other than the fact that it took so rough ridin' long that it nearly cost us (and SHOULD have cost us...thanks OSU timekeeper) the opporunity to run two more plays...which would have been huge.  I still wish we would have run on first, called time out, thrown on second, and then run on 3rd down.  think that would have got us the td.

[Dr Rick Daris]

great work. why no first play?

Still trying to find the video. My espn3 isn't working.

i only have a super pak'd memory of that play call, but it made me pretty upset at the time. had no issues w/ the other two. would love, love, love to see it broken down.

Yeah, I really want to see it again.

I didn't have a huge problem with it other than the fact that it took so rough ridin' long that it nearly cost us (and SHOULD have cost us...thanks OSU timekeeper) the opporunity to run two more plays...which would have been huge. 

whoa. wait. wtf?

i had a huge f'ing problem with it for the same exact reasons that you listed above (plus a couple of others). how can you acknowledge that it took way too long and should've cost us a third play, but not have a huge problem with it? absolutely baffling.

[Winters]

Well would you look at that

[Fuktard]

great work. why no first play?

Still trying to find the video. My espn3 isn't working.

i only have a super pak'd memory of that play call, but it made me pretty upset at the time. had no issues w/ the other two. would love, love, love to see it broken down.

Yeah, I really want to see it again.

I didn't have a huge problem with it other than the fact that it took so rough ridin' long that it nearly cost us (and SHOULD have cost us...thanks OSU timekeeper) the opporunity to run two more plays...which would have been huge. 

whoa. wait. wtf?

i had a huge f'ing problem with it for the same exact reasons that you listed above (pluse a couple of others). how can you acknowledge that it took way too long and should've cost us a third play, but not have a huge problem with it? absolutely baffling.

well, because it didn't I guess.  we still got 3 plays.  I'm trying to stay positive goddamit!

[kso_FAN]

Updated to include the throw to Lockett on first down. Same link above.  

Actually, in many ways the first play was the best of the three called. If executed slightly better, or read by Klein to two options it likely scores.

[Dr Rick Daris]

Updated to include the throw to Lockett on first down. Same link above.  

Actually, in many ways the first play was the best of the three called. If executed slightly better, or read by Klein to two options it likely scores.

so it was a fade to a five foot eleven inch true freshman receiver (which is a play that will take a good amount of time) on first down when we only had 12 seconds left and the pass was thrown by a below average passing quarterback and you thought it was the best of the three?

you're smarter than me but i'm still baffled. if you want to call that on third then great, but klein doesn't exactly have a lot of time to be checking down to dif receivers on first and goal from the five with 12 seconds left if they want to get three plays off. it too long as it was and should've cost us a third shot. what am i missing? prob a lot.

[kso_FAN]

Updated to include the throw to Lockett on first down. Same link above.  

Actually, in many ways the first play was the best of the three called. If executed slightly better, or read by Klein to two options it likely scores.

so it was a fade to a five foot eleven inch true freshman receiver (which is a play that will take a good amount of time) on first down when we only had 12 seconds left and the pass was thrown by a below average passing quarterback and you thought it was the best of the three?

you're smarter than me but i'm still baffled. if you want to call that on third then great, but klein doesn't exactly have a lot of time to be checking down to dif receivers on first and goal from the five with 12 seconds left if they want to get three plays off. it too long as it was and should've cost us a third shot. what am i missing? prob a lot.

We anticipated them being in man and we got it. We antipited little chance for help to that side and we got it. We ran a pick route and we just didn't execute. The plan there is for Harper to run into Lockett's defender so it doesn't have to be a fade. I agree, a straight fade route to Lockett in that situation is not a good plan, but I like the rub/pick route there. I just think Harper rounded his route off a bit too much making it too difficult for Lockett to create separation. In that situation the throw should've been out right after the Lockett broke off his route, if anything Klein read that Lockett wasn't open and just threw it up to the corner hoping that Lockett could make a play. The plan definitely was not to have Lockett try to make a play on the ball like it turned out.

[kso_FAN]

Or I'll put it this way; a rub/pick route when you get what you wanted (2 WRs working in single coverage) is better than Snyder/Dimel/Miller outsmarting themselves by trying to outformation OSU on the last two plays. In looking at all 3 together, its clear they hoped to catch OSU with the 2nd play when we switched Thompson and Harper, then brought Thompson on the LOS (covering up the TE) and Harper off. In the first formation OSU only had one free safety, and he was in the middle of the field. On the 2nd and 3rd plays OSU recognized the TE ineligible and thus had 2 free defenders which allowed the bracket on Harper on the fade. It didn't really help on the final play, we just were off somewhere in getting someone to the open corner of the endzone. Either way, the first play with the rub/pick was probably our best play call of the three.

And in classic hindsight is 20/20 (especially since none of the calls worked) I would've liked to see a run from Klein on first down, then call timeout if it gets stopped. Sure, you might only get one more play, but its likely from at least the 2 or 3 yard line.

All of this was better than the sit back and take it cover 2 that Cosh decided to use on OSU's last two drives for scores.

[Dr Rick Daris]

still sounds like a fade route to an allegedly injured sub six foot true freshman wide receiver on a first and goal from the five with twelve seconds left w/ the pass being thrown by a below average but very good running/scrambling quarterback that didn't have enough time on the clock to check down or scramble if his one option wasn't open. your fancy words don't fool me _fan 

[catzacker]

I didn't like any of them, but after watching the _fan frames, the play to lockett, if executed was probably a good call.  I absolutely hated the harper fade and still do.  Snyder needs to do something else out of that set where we run the fade to harper...put harper on the LOS and leave the TE uncovered and sneak the TE behind the LBs? I dunno.  

[kso_FAN]

still sounds like a fade route to an allegedly injured sub six foot true freshman wide receiver on a first and goal from the five with twelve seconds left w/ the pass being thrown by a below average but very good running/scrambling quarterback that didn't have enough time on the clock to check down or scramble if his one option wasn't open. your fancy words don't fool me _fan  

All of them stink because they didn't work. Be assured that I like it better when Snyder calls plays that work too.

[kso_FAN]

I didn't like any of them, but after watching the _fan frames, the play to lockett, if executed was probably a good call.  I absolutely hated the harper fade and still do.  Snyder needs to do something else out of that set where we run the fade to harper...put harper on the LOS and leave the TE uncovered and sneak the TE behind the LBs? I dunno. 

Yes. In my opinion Snyder outsmarted himself by covering the TE on the 2nd play. If we play Harper as the single reciever on the LOS and put Thompson and Lockett to the trips side with Tannahill there's a good chance we get OSU in the same coverage as the first play, with the only free defender in the middle of the field. Then the fade opens up more because he's got to close another 5-10 yards to get underneath the route.

[catzacker]

All of this was better than the sit back and take it cover 2 that Cosh decided to use on OSU's last two drives for scores.

on the play to blackmon where malone was chasing...were we in zone man under?  

[Dr Rick Daris]

I didn't like any of them, but after watching the _fan frames, the play to lockett, if executed was probably a good call.  I absolutely hated the harper fade and still do.  Snyder needs to do something else out of that set where we run the fade to harper...put harper on the LOS and leave the TE uncovered and sneak the TE behind the LBs? I dunno. 

at that point in time there were only five seconds left due to the first play taking up 7. options were pretty limited. the fact that we got that quick harper pass off and still got another one was pretty amazing. 7 seconds to 4 seconds. if you guys loved the first play so much then call it on third down. crap.

also, is that harper pass really a "fade"? i mean idk jack about fball but it seems like a "fade" would be over the top of the person covering the receiver or whatever and not in front. seems like that pass to harper should not be called a "fade"

[kso_FAN]

I didn't like any of them, but after watching the _fan frames, the play to lockett, if executed was probably a good call.  I absolutely hated the harper fade and still do.  Snyder needs to do something else out of that set where we run the fade to harper...put harper on the LOS and leave the TE uncovered and sneak the TE behind the LBs? I dunno. 

at that point in time there were only five seconds left due to the first play taking up 7. options were pretty limited. the fact that we got that quick harper pass off and still got another one was pretty amazing. osu clock guy was on the take.

also, is that harper pass really a "fade"? i mean idk jack about fball but it seems like a "fade" would be over the top of the person covering the receiver or whatever and not in front. seems like that pass to harper should not be called a "fade"

True, probably more accurate to call it a fade stop. On the goalline most still call a route like that a fade.

[Dr Rick Daris]

still sounds like a fade route to an allegedly injured sub six foot true freshman wide receiver on a first and goal from the five with twelve seconds left w/ the pass being thrown by a below average but very good running/scrambling quarterback that didn't have enough time on the clock to check down or scramble if his one option wasn't open. your fancy words don't fool me _fan  

All of them stink because they didn't work. Be assured that I like it better when Snyder calls plays that work too.

in the grand scheme of things and if given the choice... would you call the fade that takes seven seconds or the fade stop that takes four if you had the ball first and goal from the five with twelve seconds left?