Exhibition Peggy Po's/Nancy Neg's

[kso_FAN]

anyone that ever saw ar-t play, or saw highlights or even just read a scouting report for at least the last two years- "this guy doesn't look like clemente, play like him and isn't anything like him at all in any way".


Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) november 2011 kstate fans (probably combos) - "angel looks a little slower than clemente, imo.  just an observo, take it for what it's worth".



christ, i hate you all.

When frank was saying this team was fast, I figured our point guards were going to be faster.  Since sprads still plays on this team, I figured he was talking angel.  Don't blame me when frank's quotes about this year's team turn out to be as exaggerated as Art speaking about Asprilla.

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Another good post.

[mcmwcat]

He looks like Denny, relatively.  Has some tats.  Plays point guard.  Pretty fast.

Denny jr. IMO.*


*Some may consider me a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) combo.

no.  just somewhat racist.  he looks nothing like Denny

[steve dave]

both are mexican

[pissclams]

yup, i seriously doubt either one of them speak american.  my guess is you can still find dennis sleeping in frank's basement and picking cabbage for extra cash somewhere near junction city on the weekends. 

what a joke of a team.

[wabash909]

Pretty much agree. Can confirm that Spradling has one the smoothest shots Frank has coached, though. 

Floor looks as bad in person as it does on the interweb. 

Other thoughts..  Watson sucks and will be kicked off the team midseason with an aggravated eye hernia when he is getting no PT.   Omari is jacked. May end up sucking but if he can bang guards like Dom, Ill tolerate him.  Gipson is good.  Diaz is ?. 

This team will finish 4th in BigXII.  9-7.  Will beat Alabama and WVU.  Another NCAA exit in round of 32.

Overheard some EMAW's at the game referring to the new court as the "poop deck."  The "poop deck."

Appears we have also added Briggs tarps on the team chairs.

[yoga-like_abana]

anyone that ever saw ar-t play, or saw highlights or even just read a scouting report for at least the last two years- "this guy doesn't look like clemente, play like him and isn't anything like him at all in any way".


Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) november 2011 kstate fans (probably combos) - "angel looks a little slower than clemente, imo.  just an observo, take it for what it's worth".



christ, i hate you all.

not everyone is a college basketball fan or reads scouting reports for every kid that might come to kansas state. So don't blame people when they try to correlate one person to another that they are very familiar with. I think we can all take solace in the fact that we are all wild cats.

[mcmwcat]

anyone that ever saw ar-t play, or saw highlights or even just read a scouting report for at least the last two years- "this guy doesn't look like clemente, play like him and isn't anything like him at all in any way".


Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) november 2011 kstate fans (probably combos) - "angel looks a little slower than clemente, imo.  just an observo, take it for what it's worth".



christ, i hate you all.

not everyone is a college basketball fan or reads scouting reports for every kid that might come to kansas state. So don't blame people when they try to correlate one person to another that they are very familiar with. I think we can all take solace in the fact that we are all wild cats.

sys,  do blame people plz.  tia.

[8manpick]

anyone that ever saw ar-t play, or saw highlights or even just read a scouting report for at least the last two years- "this guy doesn't look like clemente, play like him and isn't anything like him at all in any way".


Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) november 2011 kstate fans (probably combos) - "angel looks a little slower than clemente, imo.  just an observo, take it for what it's worth".



christ, i hate you all.

not everyone is a college basketball fan or reads scouting reports for every kid that might come to kansas state. So don't blame people when they try to correlate one person to another that they are very familiar with. I think we can all take solace in the fact that we are all wild cats.

sys,  do blame people plz.  tia.

Yes, blame the crap out of our racist fans. Its as bad as tucks at the start of last season saying how similar Spradling was to Henson.

[yoga-like_abana]

A house divided against itself cannot stand and this house is stronger than sticks, stones, and steel.

[slimz]

I always thought that being a fast team had more to do with the bigs and wings ability in transition than the PG.   

That's one way to do it. Roy's Kansas teams were the template. Miles and Hinrich and Boschee were quick but not super quick. What made them fast teams were the athletic wing players who would create turnovers on the wings or at the top of the lane and then have 2-on-1 or 2-on-0 runouts with one of the guards.  Or the guards would create a TO and feed to a streaking wing who had beaten his guy down the court.  We saw some of this with Dom, as referenced earlier.

You could say we were a fast team with Denis because he was 1/5 and scored a lot by just beating everyone down the court. One superfast player in basketball can probably make a fast team, as opposed to, say, football. Of course, Jake and Dom were also able to get out there with Denis some, but I wouldn't have considered us a fast team without Denis (like last year).

I think Frank sees more of the Roy/KU model this year. Some additional speed in the wings, some good passing by the guards, scoring some transition baskets by pushing the ball on 2-1 and 2-2 type situations, rather than one guy beating everyone else down the court on his own.

[mocat]

HBBIQ explosion right there folks

[pissclams]

if frank loves fast teams so much maybe he should give the Chester E Peters cherrypick offense a shot.

[slimz]

I should add another component of Roy's fast teams was the midcourt outlet pass. Rebound or inbounds to a guard at midcourt, meanwhile a wing or two would be busting it down to the basket to try to get behind the defense...guard would bring the ball down looking for the wing behind the defense or for an open lane for a drive. If the wing was guarded and the guard drove and the rest of the defense wasn't set yet, the guard would be able to get a layup, or a short jump shot, or pass to the wing down low for a layup-dunk if the wing's defender came to stop the guard's drive. (If a defender collapsed down on the drive from, say, Boschee at the 3-point line, the pass might go out there for the open three, instead.) If there was nothing there, guard would circle back out on top and look for the trail man coming down the court as the last option in the secondary break, who might drive to the basket w/ or w/o the help of a quick screen while the defense is still getting set.

We saw Denis do a lot of that, occasionally off a midcourt pass, but more often he would just use his speed to get the ball down the court before the defense was set.

[kougar24]

Slimz is correct.

[Kat Kid]

I should add another component of Roy's fast teams was the midcourt outlet pass. Rebound or inbounds to a guard at midcourt, meanwhile a wing or two would be busting it down to the basket to try to get behind the defense...guard would bring the ball down looking for the wing behind the defense or for an open lane for a drive. If the wing was guarded and the guard drove and the rest of the defense wasn't set yet, the guard would be able to get a layup, or a short jump shot, or pass to the wing down low for a layup-dunk if the wing's defender came to stop the guard's drive. (If a defender collapsed down on the drive from, say, Boschee at the 3-point line, the pass might go out there for the open three, instead.) If there was nothing there, guard would circle back out on top and look for the trail man coming down the court as the last option in the secondary break, who might drive to the basket w/ or w/o the help of a quick screen while the defense is still getting set.

We saw Denis do a lot of that, occasionally off a midcourt pass, but more often he would just use his speed to get the ball down the court before the defense was set.

I agree.  However, us crashing the boards incredibly hard with our wings (like McGruder) makes this somewhat difficult.  Further, not sure if there is enough evidence on Gipson (think it was him that threw that long pass to Martin which wasn't terrible) but JO and co. aren't exactly known for their outlet passing.  KU had the benefit of some pretty great transitional passers as bigs and an offense that did not ask as much out of the 3's to board as hard.

It is entirely possible that we make some changes, but so far I'm not sure that we have 1) faster guards 2) significantly faster wings 3) bigs capable of throwing quick outlet passes to midcourt 4) a motivation to make Rodney turn and sprint instead of crashing for 6-8 boards a game.

[pissclams]

tom asbury used to love to talk about the speed of his incoming teams too.  running and gunning, and the cat fans ate it up.

[Kat Kid]

tom asbury used to love to talk about the speed of his incoming teams too.  running and gunning, and the cat fans ate it up.

You know who never did talk about the run n gun?  Wools.  That man loved the triangle and perimeter passing.

[mcmwcat]

tom asbury used to love to talk about the speed of his incoming teams too.  running and gunning, and the cat fans ate it up.

low blow, clams.  low blow

[Trim]

tom asbury used to love to talk about the speed of his incoming teams too.  running and gunning, and the cat fans ate it up.

You know who never did talk about the run n gun?  Wools.  That man loved the triangle and perimeter passing.

[michigancat]

tom asbury used to love to talk about the speed of his incoming teams too.  running and gunning, and the cat fans ate it up.

You know who never did talk about the run n gun?  Wools.  That man loved the triangle and perimeter passing.

I'm pretty sure he talked about being more up-tempo a couple of times. every coach does, really.

[slimz]

I agree.  However, us crashing the boards incredibly hard with our wings (like McGruder) makes this somewhat difficult.  Further, not sure if there is enough evidence on Gipson (think it was him that threw that long pass to Martin which wasn't terrible) but JO and co. aren't exactly known for their outlet passing.  KU had the benefit of some pretty great transitional passers as bigs and an offense that did not ask as much out of the 3's to board as hard.

It is entirely possible that we make some changes, but so far I'm not sure that we have 1) faster guards 2) significantly faster wings 3) bigs capable of throwing quick outlet passes to midcourt 4) a motivation to make Rodney turn and sprint instead of crashing for 6-8 boards a game.

Yep. Style of play/mentality makes a big difference.

Asbury almost backed his car into me once.   

[slimz]

tom asbury used to love to talk about the speed of his incoming teams too.  running and gunning, and the cat fans ate it up.

You know who never did talk about the run n gun?  Wools.  That man loved the triangle and perimeter passing.

I'm pretty sure he talked about being more up-tempo a couple of times. every coach does, really.

He did. They do.

[pissclams]

only the coaches that need to rely on gimmicks talk about such absurd crap.

[Saulbadguy]

 
 

[nicname]

Thank you slimz for explaining what i was implying.