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redshirt players do not travel to road games.
Quote from: billyzabka on November 07, 2011, 10:17:49 AMredshirt players do not travel to road games. Not true. Billy Cosh traveled to every road game last year. Also Sams was at the KU game.
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Quote from: DoDRepeat on November 09, 2011, 09:15:25 AMQuote from: billyzabka on November 07, 2011, 10:17:49 AMredshirt players do not travel to road games. Not true. Billy Cosh traveled to every road game last year. Also Sams was at the KU game. Pretty sure Sams was at Miami, too. Could be wrong tho.
gpc thread:Quoteadam0220Almost on scholarshipPost #965MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Daniel Sams ReplyI am not trying to start a Klein bash fest, however if Sams comes into summer camp next year and has proven that he has a good understanding of the offense and can make good accurate throws even 15-20 yards downfield, does he get a shot over Klein. My ultimate question is if Sams proves himself to be a better overall qb than Klein, does Snyder replace a senior QB for a redshirt frosh?Posted on 10/31 8:53 PM | IP: LoggedEMAW JEEPOn full scholarshipPost #1264MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyOriginally posted by adam0220:I am not trying to start a Klein bash fest, however if Sams comes into summer camp next year and has proven that he has a good understanding of the offense and can make good accurate throws even 15-20 yards downfield, does he get a shot over Klein. My ultimate question is if Sams proves himself to be a better overall qb than Klein, does Snyder replace a senior QB for a redshirt frosh?IMO, he deserves his fair share of consideration, but I doubt he'll get it before the season opener. Coach loves Collin Klein, as he should. Dude is a fantastic leader.Posted on 10/31 8:56 PM | IP: LoggedELE2011On full scholarshipPost #1203MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyThe player that is a team player AND puts us in the best position to win will play.Posted from wireless.rivals.comPosted on 10/31 8:57 PM | IP: Loggedkcatty.comA solid starterPost #4823MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyOriginally posted by adam0220:I am not trying to start a Klein bash fest, however if Sams comes into summer camp next year and has proven that he has a good understanding of the offense and can make good accurate throws even 15-20 yards downfield, does he get a shot over Klein. My ultimate question is if Sams proves himself to be a better overall qb than Klein, does Snyder replace a senior QB for a redshirt frosh?WTF????Klien led this team to FOUR wins we probably shouldn't have had.People are F'ing nuts on this board some time. Klien has done nothing but what he is asked, a lot better than anyone thought he could.In regards to passing, go watch the TD to Lockett in the Miami game or the fade to Harper against TT and tell me he can't pass. Both of those were NFL throws. I don't mean to say the he is an NFL QB, but the guy can complete passes.BTW, few people on this board have any clue how hurt Klien is. Most people would't get out of bed with his injury, he is out there taking hits like a champ.STFU on criticising your QB.Posted on 10/31 8:57 PM | IP: LoggedBaller-StatusNew walk-on to the teamPost #53MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyHe is not criticizing anyone. You need to learn to read without drawing unfounded conclusions.He asked a legitmate hypothetical question. You need to STFU.Posted on 10/31 8:59 PM | IP: LoggedBishopKSU26All-Big 12 performerPost #8453Wichita, KSMyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams Reply^^Settle Down, Beavis.He wasn't bashing, just asking the question if Sams comes in and tears it up, will he be given the opportunity to start. Legit question. Unlikely that he will beat out Klein, though, given the kid has us 7-1 and top 20...and has KILLED it running the ball...and be semi-effective passing. He'll get better, too.Posted on 10/31 9:00 PM | IP: LoggedEMAW JEEPOn full scholarshipPost #1265MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyOriginally posted by kcatty.com:Originally posted by adam0220:I am not trying to start a Klein bash fest, however if Sams comes into summer camp next year and has proven that he has a good understanding of the offense and can make good accurate throws even 15-20 yards downfield, does he get a shot over Klein. My ultimate question is if Sams proves himself to be a better overall qb than Klein, does Snyder replace a senior QB for a redshirt frosh?WTF????Klien led this team to FOUR wins we probably shouldn't have had.People are F'ing nuts on this board some time. Klien has done nothing but what he is asked, a lot better than anyone thought he could.In regards to passing, go watch the TD to Lockett in the Miami game or the fade to Harper against TT and tell me he can't pass. Both of those were NFL throws. I don't mean to say the he is an NFL QB, but the guy can complete passes.BTW, few people on this board have any clue how hurt Klien is. Most people would't get out of bed with his injury, he is out there taking hits like a champ.STFU on criticising your QB.Definitely think you're overreacting. OP just posed a hypothetical question. I didn't hear him say a single critical word towards CK.Posted on 10/31 9:00 PM | IP: Loggedadam0220Almost on scholarshipPost #966MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyNobody is criticizing Klein, I am asking if Sams proves he is a better qb if he will get a shot?Posted on 10/31 9:01 PM | IP: LoggedWestCoastCatA solid starterPost #4467The PNWMyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyOriginally posted by kcatty.com:Originally posted by adam0220:I am not trying to start a Klein bash fest, however if Sams comes into summer camp next year and has proven that he has a good understanding of the offense and can make good accurate throws even 15-20 yards downfield, does he get a shot over Klein. My ultimate question is if Sams proves himself to be a better overall qb than Klein, does Snyder replace a senior QB for a redshirt frosh?WTF????Klien led this team to FOUR wins we probably shouldn't have had.People are F'ing nuts on this board some time. Klien has done nothing but what he is asked, a lot better than anyone thought he could.In regards to passing, go watch the TD to Lockett in the Miami game or the fade to Harper against TT and tell me he can't pass. Both of those were NFL throws. I don't mean to say the he is an NFL QB, but the guy can complete passes.BTW, few people on this board have any clue how hurt Klien is. Most people would't get out of bed with his injury, he is out there taking hits like a champ.STFU on criticising your QB.Lawyers are supposed to have good reading comprehension skills.BTW, it's "holler". Or maybe "holla". But definitely not "hollar".This post was edited on 10/31 9:05 PM by WestCoastCatPosted on 10/31 9:02 PM | IP: LoggedBaller-StatusNew walk-on to the teamPost #55MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyOriginally posted by adam0220:Nobody is criticizing Klein, I am asking if Sams proves he is a better qb if he will get a shot?We know that. Negative Nancy/Sensitive Sally, here, does not get it.Posted on 10/31 9:03 PM | IP: LoggedmobcatOn the depth chartPost #2327McCook, NebraskaMyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyI think Sams has a better chance at seeing time at wide receiver than taking the starting QB job away from Collin Klein. CK is an amazing leader, who is extremely tough, and has an outstanding understanding of what HCBS wants him to do. Sams will have his chance to shine, but CK will be our starter next season barring injury.Sams spent about half of his time in HS playing WR.Posted on 10/31 9:08 PM | IP: LoggedcatintexasAlmost on scholarshipPost #444Georgetown, TXMyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyI'm with you. Klein is heisman candidate next year. Who would question his abilities.Posted from Rivals MobilePosted on 10/31 9:08 PM | IP: Loggedadam0220Almost on scholarshipPost #967MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyWhat if Sams is also a good leader, tough, runs as good as Klein and passes better than Klein if he will get a shot?Posted on 10/31 9:13 PM | IP: LoggedpurpleseaAll-Big 12 performerPost #6645FargoMyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyWill see field in some way...one on one mismatch on offense. If we can land ray we can open up this offense....Posted on 10/31 9:13 PM | IP: LoggedmywillyispurplePost #9797MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyI'll say no, simply because Snyder certainly likes his QB's to know his playbook inside and out and make the correct decisions, for whatever Klein lacks in throwing the ball he makes up for in not putting the offense in horrible situations. It really is probably what seperates him the most from Lamur and Tuggel at this point, really hard to argue that he's that much more athletic or has a better arm than either of them. And i think there needs to be restraint on what we expect out of Sams, i heard he's a freak athlete with a pretty damn strong arm, but so was Roberson and it took him until his RSJR year to really gain a total control of the offense.Posted on 10/31 9:17 PM | IP: LoggedcjhGoPowercat Ring of Fame memberPost #14297MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyHow many more of these dumb qb threads are going to be started?Posted from Rivals MobilePosted on 10/31 9:21 PM | IP: Loggedadam0220Almost on scholarshipPost #968MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyProbably quite a few.Posted on 10/31 9:25 PM | IP: LoggedLegorePost #4250MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyNo I don't think he will have any shot at all next year. Snyder has started a freshman QB one time and that was due to an injury to one player and poor play by another. Klein is a very good player and the absolute leader of this team he will start and play well just like he has up to this point.Posted on 10/31 9:27 PM | IP: Loggedderneke1On full scholarshipPost #1907Has anyone seen Clyde my camelMyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyNopePosted on 10/31 9:32 PM | IP: LoggedherdezjoeAlmost on scholarshipPost #939junk townMyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyI hate to kiss as$ but baller man your moving up the list of my favorite posters the combination of common sense and reading comprehension is rare form here nowadays.Posted on 10/31 9:37 PM | IP: LoggedmobcatOn the depth chartPost #2328McCook, NebraskaMyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyOriginally posted by adam0220:What if Sams is also a good leader, tough, runs as good as Klein and passes better than Klein if he will get a shot?That is a BIG IF! Klein is not just some ordinairy leader. He is a two-time captain that has earned the trust and respect of the team. This is Collin Klein's team. It will be very difficult for Sams to come in and take it away from him. Klein is averaging 73.1 ypg on the ground (3rd amongst all FBS QBs) and has 16 rushing TDs (1st among QBs, Tied for 4th amongst all FBS players). He is only 5 TDs away from setting the record for rushing TDs in a season at KSU - more than Thomas, Sproles, Roberson, Bishop, or anyone else. It is a stretch to say that Sams will be as productive as a runner as Klein.Klein has a great understanding of our offense and how to run the zone read. Sams may have all the physical tools of CK, but it is unlikely that he will have the understanding of the playbook that comes with game experience. Even IF Sams has all of the physical talents of Klein it is still unlikely that Sams will unseat him based on his experience and knowledge of the system. CK will lead this team to its most productive season in 8 years. Why try to fix it if it is not broke?Sorry for the lengthy post. The simple answer to your question is no.Posted on 10/31 9:40 PM | IP: Loggedbarett25On the depth chartPost #2793MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyIn a perfect world Sams will be good enough to get a couple series per game or half which will help set him up the following season for a good Sophmore year.Posted from Rivals MobilePosted on 10/31 9:41 PM | IP: Loggedadam0220Almost on scholarshipPost #969MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyI was just trying to say that if sams proves he understands the Playbook and can pass more consistently than Klein, if we try and give him 10 snaps a game in a wildcat role knowing he can pass out of it. If he does well there, maybe split time with Klein.Posted on 10/31 9:45 PM | IP: LoggedEricBlackDVA solid starterPost #4355Tailgating in the East LotMyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyIF Sams hits 100% of his throws in practice... IF Sams checks into the right play 100% of the time in practice... IF Sams earns the respect of every teammate in practice... If Sams makes no mistakes in practice.......and if Klein leaves early for the NFL (or the Ultimate Fighting Championship league)... then "yes", Sams will get a shot.Otherwise, Sams will need to prove himself a bit more.Posted on 10/31 10:14 PM | IP: Logged97catAll-American performerPost #12555Overland Park, KSMyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyI believe LHCBS will give ANYBODY a shot. But unless he is severely injured (not sure how many more lineman jumping on his stomach he can take), I doubt Klein loses his spotI do believe he might take Klein out more then he does now so that Sams can get a "feel" for div 1a. You don't want Sams 1st snap under center to be as a RS soph in 2013Posted on 10/31 10:14 PM | IP: LoggedsaxmanPost #3912MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyListen, when is the last time we had anyone who came in as a true freshman recruit start at quarterback before his third year in the program? Under Snyder that is. Just doesn't happen. Won't happen.Don't agree that it should take that long and think it has hindered our quarterback recruiting greatly, but in this case Collin Klein will be the starter and deserves to be such through his senior year. He is going to continue to improve as a passer and his leadership value is off the charts.Posted on 10/31 10:36 PM | IP: LoggedcatintexasAlmost on scholarshipPost #445Georgetown, TXMyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyAbsolutely!!! I'm sure that 3rd and 3 audible was there. If it wasn't for the OU double coverage that would have been an easy 7. I can't believe these idiots who question snyder and his ability to coach.Posted on 10/31 10:41 PM | IP: LoggedTXbusinessCatA solid starterPost #4367South TexasMyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplySams could come in to run the wild cat some, but Klein already does that better than anyone else in the world. World.Posted on 10/31 10:49 PM | IP: Loggedswamper56Post #172MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyProblem with the hypothetical is that in order to show you have just as good a grasp of the offense, and leadership capability is to have considerable playing time, which unless Klein really struggles to start next year, Sams will not get. Sams, at best, will be the backup next year, while continuing to learn, then have his chance as a redshirt sophomore. If Sams starts sometime next year, it is bad news for the Cats, for the simple reason that it means that either we are really struggling as a team, or Klein has been injured.Posted on 10/31 10:55 PM | IP: LoggedjimboberiniOn the depth chartPost #3804high above ol mud creek watersMyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams Replyso many fans want the guy on the bench to play and in this case a player who hasn't seen the field.Posted on 10/31 11:29 PM | IP: LoggedDavebayNew walk-on to the teamPost #11MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyIsn't the saying "2nd string quarterback is the most popular player on the team"? i guess with some people its the fourth string....Posted on 10/31 11:41 PM | IP: LoggedChiTwnCatGoPowercat Ring of Fame memberPost #19569MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyLots of "if's" in your scenario. Realistically, how many of those "if's" will really happen? What are the odds that all of them happen? I'd guess pretty small. The best way for Sams to see the field a lot next year will come from KSU having a very successful senior laden team that is rolling along enough that Sams gets to play quite a bit in mop up duty. Personally that would be my favorite way of seeing Sams on the field a lot next year!!!!!Posted on 11/1 12:02 AM | IP: Loggedkoppe22GoPowercat Ring of Fame memberPost #19447Drunk..Playing with Balloons...MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyOriginally posted by kcatty.com:Originally posted by adam0220:I am not trying to start a Klein bash fest, however if Sams comes into summer camp next year and has proven that he has a good understanding of the offense and can make good accurate throws even 15-20 yards downfield, does he get a shot over Klein. My ultimate question is if Sams proves himself to be a better overall qb than Klein, does Snyder replace a senior QB for a redshirt frosh?WTF????Klien led this team to FOUR wins we probably shouldn't have had.People are F'ing nuts on this board some time. Klien has done nothing but what he is asked, a lot better than anyone thought he could.In regards to passing, go watch the TD to Lockett in the Miami game or the fade to Harper against TT and tell me he can't pass. Both of those were NFL throws. I don't mean to say the he is an NFL QB, but the guy can complete passes.BTW, few people on this board have any clue how hurt Klien is. Most people would't get out of bed with his injury, he is out there taking hits like a champ.STFU on criticising your QB.Relax sally.Posted on 11/1 12:06 AM | IP: Loggedkoppe22GoPowercat Ring of Fame memberPost #19448Drunk..Playing with Balloons...MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyOriginally posted by cjh:How many more of these dumb qb threads are going to be started?Posted from Rivals MobileProbably just slightly less than the ones that begin with whatever Chip Brown tweeted.Posted on 11/1 12:07 AM | IP: Loggedkoppe22GoPowercat Ring of Fame memberPost #19449Drunk..Playing with Balloons...MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyOriginally posted by catintexas:I'm with you. Klein is heisman candidate next year. Who would question his abilities.Posted from Rivals MobileOh my god I thought you were joking.But you're not?Holy crap.Posted on 11/1 12:08 AM | IP: LoggedWildcat_4_LifeOn the depth chartPost #2499Salina, KSMyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyI think J Beasley has been teaching Klien what he learned playing QB for Snyder and it is showing with the continued growth and Klien is learning how to be a leader from Snyder. Sans will see mopup duty, but to start over Klien baring life threatening injury isn't going to happen. Klien may be Snyder favorite player ever, and for good reason. He is the modern day bishop running the ball. Klien is our QB and I couldn't be happier about it.Posted on 11/1 7:05 AM | IP: Loggedwichita_catGoPowercat Ring of Fame memberPost #39275The Lonely Street of DreamsMyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams Replyanswer: the Odds of a 2nd year player who - by all accounts - came in pretty raw being a "better overall QB" than a 5th year senior who has 4 years in Snyder's system and has already proven himself against BCS competition = extremely remote.Posted on 11/1 7:53 AM | IP: LoggedXrayCat1On full scholarshipPost #1064MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplySure...the easy answer is the odds of it happening are slim. Duh. Glad you guys could enlighten the rest of us.But to answer the hypothetical question by the OP if Sams comes in and absolutely tears it up, and shows that he is a better runner, a better passer, and a better leader, I would then say yeah, there's a chance that he could start ahead of Klein. You play the best player. If we landed Jadaveon Clowney last year and he was better than Jordan Voelker or Meshack Williams you don't think he would have seen the field? It's an easy question to answer.Posted on 11/1 8:03 AM | IP: Loggedwichita_catGoPowercat Ring of Fame memberPost #39276The Lonely Street of DreamsMyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyIt gives more credence to the subject than it is really worth. Obviously some people think there is enough of a chance that Sams > CK to post on it.If it were purely for hypothetical's sake, I'd expect more "If Will Davis is better than Arthur Brown, will he start ahead of him?" threads.This also sets the board up for back-up QB syndrome, which a 7-0 start has quieted but has been in full effect for about 7 yrs prior.Posted on 11/1 8:15 AM | IP: Loggedadam0220Almost on scholarshipPost #970MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyI am just saying is it likely that sams could be as good of a runner? YesCould he be a better passer? Absolutely.We never knew what any qb could do before they saw the field and to say sams wouldn't be a leader or that he is raw is underestimating the kid. What worries me about Klein and where I think sams could be better is in their confidence to make downfield throws. Klein seems absolutely terrified to make some throws, which is why he takes too many sacks. Sometimes a qb has to trust that he can fit the ball in tight spaces and Klein doesn't seem to trust his own arm. I think sams may have the confidence to make throws ala Boyd from Clemson.Posted on 11/1 8:36 AM | IP: Loggedwichita_catGoPowercat Ring of Fame memberPost #39279The Lonely Street of DreamsMyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyOriginally posted by adam0220:I am just saying is it likely that sams could be as good of a runner? YesCould he be a better passer? Absolutely.We never knew what any qb could do before they saw the field and to say sams wouldn't be a leader or that he is raw is underestimating the kid. What worries me about Klein and where I think sams could be better is in their confidence to make downfield throws. Klein seems absolutely terrified to make some throws, which is why he takes too many sacks. Sometimes a qb has to trust that he can fit the ball in tight spaces and Klein doesn't seem to trust his own arm. I think sams may have the confidence to make throws ala Boyd from Clemson.lots of disagreements:1) I didn't say Sams was raw - Del Miller did.2) Would he be as good of a runner? Considering that CK is one of the best rushing QBs in the country, it is a hell of a stretch to just give a blanket 'yes' to that statement. CK's a much better athlete than many here are willing to give him credit for. The guy didn't play as a FR at WR because he's a stiff.3) Could he be a better passer? Again, a hell of a stretch to say 'Absolutely.' CK hasn't been spectacular throwing the ball, but 58%, 8 TD/3 INT and 6.5 ypa isn't something to sneeze at either. He's done exactly what has been asked of him as a thrower, which is more than you would expect from a possible FR starter. 4) CK isn't "terrified" to fit the ball into tight spaces - it's his job NOT to try. When the majority of our games are dependent on being a ball control offense, you simply cannot turn the ball over. The reward of an occasional big play isn't worth the risk of a possible turnover. I'd like to see more out CK in the downfield passing game, but that doesn't mean fitting the ball into tight windows - that's not us and the pain of a turnover is worse than the reward of quick score.5) You bring up Tahj Boyd as a comparison, but ignore this is Boyd's 3rd year in the system and first as a full time starter. In spot duty last year, he was completely mediocre as a thrower and non-existent as a runner.6) Having the offense in the right play and reading the defense (on BOTH the pass and run) are nuances that typically take time to understand. Remember how awful Ell was a SO (3rd year in Snyder's system) and how much better he got as he gained experience? He didn't get more athletic with time, he just got a better understanding of the game and how the defense was trying to defend him.7) Next year is a year we have been gearing up for. We will return most of the major contributors off this year's team and (hopefully) a couple of new impact additions as well. Even the prognosticators who picked us 8th for this season thought that we were lining up nicely for next season. Not the time to go with an unknown factor at the sport's most important position.I am uber-excited for Sams' future, but (barring injury and situational use), I don't see any reason to even speculate that it will come prior to his SO year.Posted on 11/1 8:59 AM | IP: Loggedpen1newPost #236MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyIt is always an open competition. Not sure you define "overall" the same way LHCBS does. Even if Sams can run better and pass better....he would need to be as good a leader and have as good of a command of the offense as Klein. Sure that is possible, but unlikely a RS FR will know it as well as a SR...one who has proven to excell at understanding the offense, and getting us in the right plays for the situation.Posted on 11/1 9:43 AM | IP: LoggedARM58On the depth chartPost #3775MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyOriginally posted by wichita_cat:answer: the Odds of a 2nd year player who - by all accounts - came in pretty raw being a "better overall QB" than a 5th year senior who has 4 years in Snyder's system and has already proven himself against BCS competition = extremely remote.this is why it's silly to even ask the question.. without knowing anything that Sams can do.. way too many IF's...forget that Ck is tied with randle on rushing tds and both of them are 6 clear of the next guysams needs to make enough progress so he can get a few snaps a game next year.. that should be the hope of this board nowPosted on 11/1 10:12 AM | IP: Loggedelwood1Post #1344MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams Reply"He is not criticizing anyone. You need to learn to read without drawing unfounded conclusions.He asked a legitmate hypothetical question. You need to STFU."Gonna be hard pressed to make that happen...He's a lawyer, for god's sake.Posted on 11/1 2:15 PM | IP: Loggedelwood1Post #1345MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams Reply"What if Sams is also a good leader, tough, runs as good as Klein and passes better than Klein if he will get a shot?"Sure. LHC LHC Bill Snyder is not dumb....However, it won't happen that he is as good a leader, as tough and runs as well as Klein. Klein has worked hard to get where he is and has developed the skills he has along with maturity. You only get maturity by getting older.Posted on 11/1 2:19 PM | IP: LoggedemartensAlmost on scholarshipPost #702Kansas CityMyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyI think the real question here is what is their OVR rating on NCAA 12? I don't know, but If Klien is (say) 82, and Sams is 81, then I would expect Sams' progression to put him in the 86-87 range next year, with Klien being maybe 85. Sams would be the clear starter.We just won't know for sure until NCAA 13 is released.Posted on 11/1 3:48 PM | IP: LoggedcjhGoPowercat Ring of Fame memberPost #14305MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyOriginally posted by koppe22:Originally posted by cjh:How many more of these dumb qb threads are going to be started?Posted from Rivals MobileProbably just slightly less than the ones that begin with whatever Chip Brown tweeted.Is that suppose to sting? At least Chip provides information from UT's point of view. These hypothetical conversations regarding a qb that has lead his team to a 7-1 record brings about as much value to the board as Roy did.Posted on 11/1 3:58 PM | IP: Loggedkstatewildcats44New walk-on to the teamPost #106MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyOriginally posted by adam0220:I think sams may have the confidence to make throws ala Boyd from Clemson.How on God's green earth could you possibly have any shred of evidence that leads you to think this? Do you play pickup football games with Sams often? I think it's funny that you had to wait through victories over Miami, Baylor, MU, TTech and KU before we finally lost and you felt comfortable sharing this thought.This post was edited on 11/1 4:04 PM by kstatewildcats44Posted on 11/1 4:00 PM | IP: LoggedcjhGoPowercat Ring of Fame memberPost #14306MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyOriginally posted by kstatewildcats44:Originally posted by adam0220:I think sams may have the confidence to make throws ala Boyd from Clemson.How on God's green earth could you possibly have any shred of evidence that lead you to think this? Do you play pickup football games with Sams often? I think it's funny that you had to wait through victories over Miami, Baylor, MU, TTech and KU before we finally lost and you felt comfortable sharing this thought.this guy is a former poster who likes to troll.Posted on 11/1 4:01 PM | IP: Loggedkstatewildcats44New walk-on to the teamPost #107MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams Replyok, thanks. I didn't recognize him.Posted on 11/1 4:04 PM | IP: LoggedZutroyOn the depth chartPost #2205Overland ParkMyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyI think the case could be made that a major reason we were underdogs in those 4 games is lack of a passing attack. So in a sense, Klien overcame his own weakness. With a more balanced offense, we're probably favorites in most of those games.Posted on 11/1 9:46 PM | IP: LoggedSmallsInKCAlmost on scholarshipPost #897Fairway, KSMyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyCK will have to win the starting spot next year. You don't see Snyder starting Hrebek simply because he is a senior.Posted from Rivals MobilePosted on 11/1 10:10 PM | IP: Loggedwichita_catGoPowercat Ring of Fame memberPost #39293The Lonely Street of DreamsMyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyOriginally posted by Zutroy:I think the case could be made that a major reason we were underdogs in those 4 games is lack of a passing attack. So in a sense, Klien overcame his own weakness. With a more balanced offense, we're probably favorites in most of those games.because we have more talent at other positions than Miami, Mizzou, & Tech?Posted on 11/1 10:12 PM | IP: LoggedZ-MAN KSUNew walk-on to the teamPost #41MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams Replyu need to stfu sir..Posted on 11/1 10:26 PM | IP: Loggedkoppe22GoPowercat Ring of Fame memberPost #19507Drunk..Playing with Balloons...MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyOriginally posted by SmallsInKC:CK will have to win the starting spot next year. You don't see Snyder starting Hrebek simply because he is a senior.Posted from Rivals MobileGo on...Posted on 11/6 7:43 PM | IP: Loggedcoyotes1971New walk-on to the teamPost #36MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyNo way. With Klein's success as a starter this year, he will be great as a senior. We are positioned for an outstnding 2012! Go Cats!!Sometimes I struggle with the lack of appreciation for Klein's value.Posted on 11/6 8:44 PM | IP: Loggedcchgocats1New walk-on to the teamPost #91MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyNo, the senor plays. No question!!! Come on man get real. Both equal, senor plays. Underclassman at quater back vs cline? Cline continues to play. Your talking about LHC LHC Bill Snyder and you really think that would happen? No way. Cline is our qb, git over it.Posted on 11/6 8:52 PM | IP: LoggedExtremestuntsA solid starterPost #4525MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyOriginally posted by adam0220:I am just saying is it likely that sams could be as good of a runner? YesAs a freshman that split time as qb/wr in highschool compared to 5th year senior who has played both in div 1 football. Maybe in time but you didnt say that. You said next year and that is redicululous. If Sams was such a great passing qb why not have him in the whole time at qb in high school? I have toned down my post but i really want to say really? and a whole lot more. I guess yeah anything is possible, but wow dont coach football anytime soon.Could he be a much worse passer? Absolutely...Crazy speculation!Posted on 11/7 5:21 AM | IP: LoggedCATintheLOUAlmost on scholarshipPost #419MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplySams will see some snaps somewhere on the field next year, then in 2013 he'll hopefully start as a RS sophomore and be the next Ell.Posted on 11/7 7:40 AM | IP: Logged
adam0220Almost on scholarshipPost #965MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Daniel Sams ReplyI am not trying to start a Klein bash fest, however if Sams comes into summer camp next year and has proven that he has a good understanding of the offense and can make good accurate throws even 15-20 yards downfield, does he get a shot over Klein. My ultimate question is if Sams proves himself to be a better overall qb than Klein, does Snyder replace a senior QB for a redshirt frosh?Posted on 10/31 8:53 PM | IP: LoggedEMAW JEEPOn full scholarshipPost #1264MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyOriginally posted by adam0220:I am not trying to start a Klein bash fest, however if Sams comes into summer camp next year and has proven that he has a good understanding of the offense and can make good accurate throws even 15-20 yards downfield, does he get a shot over Klein. My ultimate question is if Sams proves himself to be a better overall qb than Klein, does Snyder replace a senior QB for a redshirt frosh?IMO, he deserves his fair share of consideration, but I doubt he'll get it before the season opener. Coach loves Collin Klein, as he should. Dude is a fantastic leader.Posted on 10/31 8:56 PM | IP: LoggedELE2011On full scholarshipPost #1203MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyThe player that is a team player AND puts us in the best position to win will play.Posted from wireless.rivals.comPosted on 10/31 8:57 PM | IP: Loggedkcatty.comA solid starterPost #4823MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyOriginally posted by adam0220:I am not trying to start a Klein bash fest, however if Sams comes into summer camp next year and has proven that he has a good understanding of the offense and can make good accurate throws even 15-20 yards downfield, does he get a shot over Klein. My ultimate question is if Sams proves himself to be a better overall qb than Klein, does Snyder replace a senior QB for a redshirt frosh?WTF????Klien led this team to FOUR wins we probably shouldn't have had.People are F'ing nuts on this board some time. Klien has done nothing but what he is asked, a lot better than anyone thought he could.In regards to passing, go watch the TD to Lockett in the Miami game or the fade to Harper against TT and tell me he can't pass. Both of those were NFL throws. I don't mean to say the he is an NFL QB, but the guy can complete passes.BTW, few people on this board have any clue how hurt Klien is. Most people would't get out of bed with his injury, he is out there taking hits like a champ.STFU on criticising your QB.Posted on 10/31 8:57 PM | IP: LoggedBaller-StatusNew walk-on to the teamPost #53MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyHe is not criticizing anyone. You need to learn to read without drawing unfounded conclusions.He asked a legitmate hypothetical question. You need to STFU.Posted on 10/31 8:59 PM | IP: LoggedBishopKSU26All-Big 12 performerPost #8453Wichita, KSMyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams Reply^^Settle Down, Beavis.He wasn't bashing, just asking the question if Sams comes in and tears it up, will he be given the opportunity to start. Legit question. Unlikely that he will beat out Klein, though, given the kid has us 7-1 and top 20...and has KILLED it running the ball...and be semi-effective passing. He'll get better, too.Posted on 10/31 9:00 PM | IP: LoggedEMAW JEEPOn full scholarshipPost #1265MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyOriginally posted by kcatty.com:Originally posted by adam0220:I am not trying to start a Klein bash fest, however if Sams comes into summer camp next year and has proven that he has a good understanding of the offense and can make good accurate throws even 15-20 yards downfield, does he get a shot over Klein. My ultimate question is if Sams proves himself to be a better overall qb than Klein, does Snyder replace a senior QB for a redshirt frosh?WTF????Klien led this team to FOUR wins we probably shouldn't have had.People are F'ing nuts on this board some time. Klien has done nothing but what he is asked, a lot better than anyone thought he could.In regards to passing, go watch the TD to Lockett in the Miami game or the fade to Harper against TT and tell me he can't pass. Both of those were NFL throws. I don't mean to say the he is an NFL QB, but the guy can complete passes.BTW, few people on this board have any clue how hurt Klien is. Most people would't get out of bed with his injury, he is out there taking hits like a champ.STFU on criticising your QB.Definitely think you're overreacting. OP just posed a hypothetical question. I didn't hear him say a single critical word towards CK.Posted on 10/31 9:00 PM | IP: Loggedadam0220Almost on scholarshipPost #966MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyNobody is criticizing Klein, I am asking if Sams proves he is a better qb if he will get a shot?Posted on 10/31 9:01 PM | IP: LoggedWestCoastCatA solid starterPost #4467The PNWMyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyOriginally posted by kcatty.com:Originally posted by adam0220:I am not trying to start a Klein bash fest, however if Sams comes into summer camp next year and has proven that he has a good understanding of the offense and can make good accurate throws even 15-20 yards downfield, does he get a shot over Klein. My ultimate question is if Sams proves himself to be a better overall qb than Klein, does Snyder replace a senior QB for a redshirt frosh?WTF????Klien led this team to FOUR wins we probably shouldn't have had.People are F'ing nuts on this board some time. Klien has done nothing but what he is asked, a lot better than anyone thought he could.In regards to passing, go watch the TD to Lockett in the Miami game or the fade to Harper against TT and tell me he can't pass. Both of those were NFL throws. I don't mean to say the he is an NFL QB, but the guy can complete passes.BTW, few people on this board have any clue how hurt Klien is. Most people would't get out of bed with his injury, he is out there taking hits like a champ.STFU on criticising your QB.Lawyers are supposed to have good reading comprehension skills.BTW, it's "holler". Or maybe "holla". But definitely not "hollar".This post was edited on 10/31 9:05 PM by WestCoastCatPosted on 10/31 9:02 PM | IP: LoggedBaller-StatusNew walk-on to the teamPost #55MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyOriginally posted by adam0220:Nobody is criticizing Klein, I am asking if Sams proves he is a better qb if he will get a shot?We know that. Negative Nancy/Sensitive Sally, here, does not get it.Posted on 10/31 9:03 PM | IP: LoggedmobcatOn the depth chartPost #2327McCook, NebraskaMyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyI think Sams has a better chance at seeing time at wide receiver than taking the starting QB job away from Collin Klein. CK is an amazing leader, who is extremely tough, and has an outstanding understanding of what HCBS wants him to do. Sams will have his chance to shine, but CK will be our starter next season barring injury.Sams spent about half of his time in HS playing WR.Posted on 10/31 9:08 PM | IP: LoggedcatintexasAlmost on scholarshipPost #444Georgetown, TXMyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyI'm with you. Klein is heisman candidate next year. Who would question his abilities.Posted from Rivals MobilePosted on 10/31 9:08 PM | IP: Loggedadam0220Almost on scholarshipPost #967MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyWhat if Sams is also a good leader, tough, runs as good as Klein and passes better than Klein if he will get a shot?Posted on 10/31 9:13 PM | IP: LoggedpurpleseaAll-Big 12 performerPost #6645FargoMyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyWill see field in some way...one on one mismatch on offense. If we can land ray we can open up this offense....Posted on 10/31 9:13 PM | IP: LoggedmywillyispurplePost #9797MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyI'll say no, simply because Snyder certainly likes his QB's to know his playbook inside and out and make the correct decisions, for whatever Klein lacks in throwing the ball he makes up for in not putting the offense in horrible situations. It really is probably what seperates him the most from Lamur and Tuggel at this point, really hard to argue that he's that much more athletic or has a better arm than either of them. And i think there needs to be restraint on what we expect out of Sams, i heard he's a freak athlete with a pretty damn strong arm, but so was Roberson and it took him until his RSJR year to really gain a total control of the offense.Posted on 10/31 9:17 PM | IP: LoggedcjhGoPowercat Ring of Fame memberPost #14297MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyHow many more of these dumb qb threads are going to be started?Posted from Rivals MobilePosted on 10/31 9:21 PM | IP: Loggedadam0220Almost on scholarshipPost #968MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyProbably quite a few.Posted on 10/31 9:25 PM | IP: LoggedLegorePost #4250MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyNo I don't think he will have any shot at all next year. Snyder has started a freshman QB one time and that was due to an injury to one player and poor play by another. Klein is a very good player and the absolute leader of this team he will start and play well just like he has up to this point.Posted on 10/31 9:27 PM | IP: Loggedderneke1On full scholarshipPost #1907Has anyone seen Clyde my camelMyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyNopePosted on 10/31 9:32 PM | IP: LoggedherdezjoeAlmost on scholarshipPost #939junk townMyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyI hate to kiss as$ but baller man your moving up the list of my favorite posters the combination of common sense and reading comprehension is rare form here nowadays.Posted on 10/31 9:37 PM | IP: LoggedmobcatOn the depth chartPost #2328McCook, NebraskaMyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyOriginally posted by adam0220:What if Sams is also a good leader, tough, runs as good as Klein and passes better than Klein if he will get a shot?That is a BIG IF! Klein is not just some ordinairy leader. He is a two-time captain that has earned the trust and respect of the team. This is Collin Klein's team. It will be very difficult for Sams to come in and take it away from him. Klein is averaging 73.1 ypg on the ground (3rd amongst all FBS QBs) and has 16 rushing TDs (1st among QBs, Tied for 4th amongst all FBS players). He is only 5 TDs away from setting the record for rushing TDs in a season at KSU - more than Thomas, Sproles, Roberson, Bishop, or anyone else. It is a stretch to say that Sams will be as productive as a runner as Klein.Klein has a great understanding of our offense and how to run the zone read. Sams may have all the physical tools of CK, but it is unlikely that he will have the understanding of the playbook that comes with game experience. Even IF Sams has all of the physical talents of Klein it is still unlikely that Sams will unseat him based on his experience and knowledge of the system. CK will lead this team to its most productive season in 8 years. Why try to fix it if it is not broke?Sorry for the lengthy post. The simple answer to your question is no.Posted on 10/31 9:40 PM | IP: Loggedbarett25On the depth chartPost #2793MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyIn a perfect world Sams will be good enough to get a couple series per game or half which will help set him up the following season for a good Sophmore year.Posted from Rivals MobilePosted on 10/31 9:41 PM | IP: Loggedadam0220Almost on scholarshipPost #969MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyI was just trying to say that if sams proves he understands the Playbook and can pass more consistently than Klein, if we try and give him 10 snaps a game in a wildcat role knowing he can pass out of it. If he does well there, maybe split time with Klein.Posted on 10/31 9:45 PM | IP: LoggedEricBlackDVA solid starterPost #4355Tailgating in the East LotMyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyIF Sams hits 100% of his throws in practice... IF Sams checks into the right play 100% of the time in practice... IF Sams earns the respect of every teammate in practice... If Sams makes no mistakes in practice.......and if Klein leaves early for the NFL (or the Ultimate Fighting Championship league)... then "yes", Sams will get a shot.Otherwise, Sams will need to prove himself a bit more.Posted on 10/31 10:14 PM | IP: Logged97catAll-American performerPost #12555Overland Park, KSMyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyI believe LHCBS will give ANYBODY a shot. But unless he is severely injured (not sure how many more lineman jumping on his stomach he can take), I doubt Klein loses his spotI do believe he might take Klein out more then he does now so that Sams can get a "feel" for div 1a. You don't want Sams 1st snap under center to be as a RS soph in 2013Posted on 10/31 10:14 PM | IP: LoggedsaxmanPost #3912MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyListen, when is the last time we had anyone who came in as a true freshman recruit start at quarterback before his third year in the program? Under Snyder that is. Just doesn't happen. Won't happen.Don't agree that it should take that long and think it has hindered our quarterback recruiting greatly, but in this case Collin Klein will be the starter and deserves to be such through his senior year. He is going to continue to improve as a passer and his leadership value is off the charts.Posted on 10/31 10:36 PM | IP: LoggedcatintexasAlmost on scholarshipPost #445Georgetown, TXMyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyAbsolutely!!! I'm sure that 3rd and 3 audible was there. If it wasn't for the OU double coverage that would have been an easy 7. I can't believe these idiots who question snyder and his ability to coach.Posted on 10/31 10:41 PM | IP: LoggedTXbusinessCatA solid starterPost #4367South TexasMyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplySams could come in to run the wild cat some, but Klein already does that better than anyone else in the world. World.Posted on 10/31 10:49 PM | IP: Loggedswamper56Post #172MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyProblem with the hypothetical is that in order to show you have just as good a grasp of the offense, and leadership capability is to have considerable playing time, which unless Klein really struggles to start next year, Sams will not get. Sams, at best, will be the backup next year, while continuing to learn, then have his chance as a redshirt sophomore. If Sams starts sometime next year, it is bad news for the Cats, for the simple reason that it means that either we are really struggling as a team, or Klein has been injured.Posted on 10/31 10:55 PM | IP: LoggedjimboberiniOn the depth chartPost #3804high above ol mud creek watersMyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams Replyso many fans want the guy on the bench to play and in this case a player who hasn't seen the field.Posted on 10/31 11:29 PM | IP: LoggedDavebayNew walk-on to the teamPost #11MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyIsn't the saying "2nd string quarterback is the most popular player on the team"? i guess with some people its the fourth string....Posted on 10/31 11:41 PM | IP: LoggedChiTwnCatGoPowercat Ring of Fame memberPost #19569MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyLots of "if's" in your scenario. Realistically, how many of those "if's" will really happen? What are the odds that all of them happen? I'd guess pretty small. The best way for Sams to see the field a lot next year will come from KSU having a very successful senior laden team that is rolling along enough that Sams gets to play quite a bit in mop up duty. Personally that would be my favorite way of seeing Sams on the field a lot next year!!!!!Posted on 11/1 12:02 AM | IP: Loggedkoppe22GoPowercat Ring of Fame memberPost #19447Drunk..Playing with Balloons...MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyOriginally posted by kcatty.com:Originally posted by adam0220:I am not trying to start a Klein bash fest, however if Sams comes into summer camp next year and has proven that he has a good understanding of the offense and can make good accurate throws even 15-20 yards downfield, does he get a shot over Klein. My ultimate question is if Sams proves himself to be a better overall qb than Klein, does Snyder replace a senior QB for a redshirt frosh?WTF????Klien led this team to FOUR wins we probably shouldn't have had.People are F'ing nuts on this board some time. Klien has done nothing but what he is asked, a lot better than anyone thought he could.In regards to passing, go watch the TD to Lockett in the Miami game or the fade to Harper against TT and tell me he can't pass. Both of those were NFL throws. I don't mean to say the he is an NFL QB, but the guy can complete passes.BTW, few people on this board have any clue how hurt Klien is. Most people would't get out of bed with his injury, he is out there taking hits like a champ.STFU on criticising your QB.Relax sally.Posted on 11/1 12:06 AM | IP: Loggedkoppe22GoPowercat Ring of Fame memberPost #19448Drunk..Playing with Balloons...MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyOriginally posted by cjh:How many more of these dumb qb threads are going to be started?Posted from Rivals MobileProbably just slightly less than the ones that begin with whatever Chip Brown tweeted.Posted on 11/1 12:07 AM | IP: Loggedkoppe22GoPowercat Ring of Fame memberPost #19449Drunk..Playing with Balloons...MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyOriginally posted by catintexas:I'm with you. Klein is heisman candidate next year. Who would question his abilities.Posted from Rivals MobileOh my god I thought you were joking.But you're not?Holy crap.Posted on 11/1 12:08 AM | IP: LoggedWildcat_4_LifeOn the depth chartPost #2499Salina, KSMyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyI think J Beasley has been teaching Klien what he learned playing QB for Snyder and it is showing with the continued growth and Klien is learning how to be a leader from Snyder. Sans will see mopup duty, but to start over Klien baring life threatening injury isn't going to happen. Klien may be Snyder favorite player ever, and for good reason. He is the modern day bishop running the ball. Klien is our QB and I couldn't be happier about it.Posted on 11/1 7:05 AM | IP: Loggedwichita_catGoPowercat Ring of Fame memberPost #39275The Lonely Street of DreamsMyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams Replyanswer: the Odds of a 2nd year player who - by all accounts - came in pretty raw being a "better overall QB" than a 5th year senior who has 4 years in Snyder's system and has already proven himself against BCS competition = extremely remote.Posted on 11/1 7:53 AM | IP: LoggedXrayCat1On full scholarshipPost #1064MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplySure...the easy answer is the odds of it happening are slim. Duh. Glad you guys could enlighten the rest of us.But to answer the hypothetical question by the OP if Sams comes in and absolutely tears it up, and shows that he is a better runner, a better passer, and a better leader, I would then say yeah, there's a chance that he could start ahead of Klein. You play the best player. If we landed Jadaveon Clowney last year and he was better than Jordan Voelker or Meshack Williams you don't think he would have seen the field? It's an easy question to answer.Posted on 11/1 8:03 AM | IP: Loggedwichita_catGoPowercat Ring of Fame memberPost #39276The Lonely Street of DreamsMyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyIt gives more credence to the subject than it is really worth. Obviously some people think there is enough of a chance that Sams > CK to post on it.If it were purely for hypothetical's sake, I'd expect more "If Will Davis is better than Arthur Brown, will he start ahead of him?" threads.This also sets the board up for back-up QB syndrome, which a 7-0 start has quieted but has been in full effect for about 7 yrs prior.Posted on 11/1 8:15 AM | IP: Loggedadam0220Almost on scholarshipPost #970MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyI am just saying is it likely that sams could be as good of a runner? YesCould he be a better passer? Absolutely.We never knew what any qb could do before they saw the field and to say sams wouldn't be a leader or that he is raw is underestimating the kid. What worries me about Klein and where I think sams could be better is in their confidence to make downfield throws. Klein seems absolutely terrified to make some throws, which is why he takes too many sacks. Sometimes a qb has to trust that he can fit the ball in tight spaces and Klein doesn't seem to trust his own arm. I think sams may have the confidence to make throws ala Boyd from Clemson.Posted on 11/1 8:36 AM | IP: Loggedwichita_catGoPowercat Ring of Fame memberPost #39279The Lonely Street of DreamsMyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyOriginally posted by adam0220:I am just saying is it likely that sams could be as good of a runner? YesCould he be a better passer? Absolutely.We never knew what any qb could do before they saw the field and to say sams wouldn't be a leader or that he is raw is underestimating the kid. What worries me about Klein and where I think sams could be better is in their confidence to make downfield throws. Klein seems absolutely terrified to make some throws, which is why he takes too many sacks. Sometimes a qb has to trust that he can fit the ball in tight spaces and Klein doesn't seem to trust his own arm. I think sams may have the confidence to make throws ala Boyd from Clemson.lots of disagreements:1) I didn't say Sams was raw - Del Miller did.2) Would he be as good of a runner? Considering that CK is one of the best rushing QBs in the country, it is a hell of a stretch to just give a blanket 'yes' to that statement. CK's a much better athlete than many here are willing to give him credit for. The guy didn't play as a FR at WR because he's a stiff.3) Could he be a better passer? Again, a hell of a stretch to say 'Absolutely.' CK hasn't been spectacular throwing the ball, but 58%, 8 TD/3 INT and 6.5 ypa isn't something to sneeze at either. He's done exactly what has been asked of him as a thrower, which is more than you would expect from a possible FR starter. 4) CK isn't "terrified" to fit the ball into tight spaces - it's his job NOT to try. When the majority of our games are dependent on being a ball control offense, you simply cannot turn the ball over. The reward of an occasional big play isn't worth the risk of a possible turnover. I'd like to see more out CK in the downfield passing game, but that doesn't mean fitting the ball into tight windows - that's not us and the pain of a turnover is worse than the reward of quick score.5) You bring up Tahj Boyd as a comparison, but ignore this is Boyd's 3rd year in the system and first as a full time starter. In spot duty last year, he was completely mediocre as a thrower and non-existent as a runner.6) Having the offense in the right play and reading the defense (on BOTH the pass and run) are nuances that typically take time to understand. Remember how awful Ell was a SO (3rd year in Snyder's system) and how much better he got as he gained experience? He didn't get more athletic with time, he just got a better understanding of the game and how the defense was trying to defend him.7) Next year is a year we have been gearing up for. We will return most of the major contributors off this year's team and (hopefully) a couple of new impact additions as well. Even the prognosticators who picked us 8th for this season thought that we were lining up nicely for next season. Not the time to go with an unknown factor at the sport's most important position.I am uber-excited for Sams' future, but (barring injury and situational use), I don't see any reason to even speculate that it will come prior to his SO year.Posted on 11/1 8:59 AM | IP: Loggedpen1newPost #236MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyIt is always an open competition. Not sure you define "overall" the same way LHCBS does. Even if Sams can run better and pass better....he would need to be as good a leader and have as good of a command of the offense as Klein. Sure that is possible, but unlikely a RS FR will know it as well as a SR...one who has proven to excell at understanding the offense, and getting us in the right plays for the situation.Posted on 11/1 9:43 AM | IP: LoggedARM58On the depth chartPost #3775MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyOriginally posted by wichita_cat:answer: the Odds of a 2nd year player who - by all accounts - came in pretty raw being a "better overall QB" than a 5th year senior who has 4 years in Snyder's system and has already proven himself against BCS competition = extremely remote.this is why it's silly to even ask the question.. without knowing anything that Sams can do.. way too many IF's...forget that Ck is tied with randle on rushing tds and both of them are 6 clear of the next guysams needs to make enough progress so he can get a few snaps a game next year.. that should be the hope of this board nowPosted on 11/1 10:12 AM | IP: Loggedelwood1Post #1344MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams Reply"He is not criticizing anyone. You need to learn to read without drawing unfounded conclusions.He asked a legitmate hypothetical question. You need to STFU."Gonna be hard pressed to make that happen...He's a lawyer, for god's sake.Posted on 11/1 2:15 PM | IP: Loggedelwood1Post #1345MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams Reply"What if Sams is also a good leader, tough, runs as good as Klein and passes better than Klein if he will get a shot?"Sure. LHC LHC Bill Snyder is not dumb....However, it won't happen that he is as good a leader, as tough and runs as well as Klein. Klein has worked hard to get where he is and has developed the skills he has along with maturity. You only get maturity by getting older.Posted on 11/1 2:19 PM | IP: LoggedemartensAlmost on scholarshipPost #702Kansas CityMyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyI think the real question here is what is their OVR rating on NCAA 12? I don't know, but If Klien is (say) 82, and Sams is 81, then I would expect Sams' progression to put him in the 86-87 range next year, with Klien being maybe 85. Sams would be the clear starter.We just won't know for sure until NCAA 13 is released.Posted on 11/1 3:48 PM | IP: LoggedcjhGoPowercat Ring of Fame memberPost #14305MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyOriginally posted by koppe22:Originally posted by cjh:How many more of these dumb qb threads are going to be started?Posted from Rivals MobileProbably just slightly less than the ones that begin with whatever Chip Brown tweeted.Is that suppose to sting? At least Chip provides information from UT's point of view. These hypothetical conversations regarding a qb that has lead his team to a 7-1 record brings about as much value to the board as Roy did.Posted on 11/1 3:58 PM | IP: Loggedkstatewildcats44New walk-on to the teamPost #106MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyOriginally posted by adam0220:I think sams may have the confidence to make throws ala Boyd from Clemson.How on God's green earth could you possibly have any shred of evidence that leads you to think this? Do you play pickup football games with Sams often? I think it's funny that you had to wait through victories over Miami, Baylor, MU, TTech and KU before we finally lost and you felt comfortable sharing this thought.This post was edited on 11/1 4:04 PM by kstatewildcats44Posted on 11/1 4:00 PM | IP: LoggedcjhGoPowercat Ring of Fame memberPost #14306MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyOriginally posted by kstatewildcats44:Originally posted by adam0220:I think sams may have the confidence to make throws ala Boyd from Clemson.How on God's green earth could you possibly have any shred of evidence that lead you to think this? Do you play pickup football games with Sams often? I think it's funny that you had to wait through victories over Miami, Baylor, MU, TTech and KU before we finally lost and you felt comfortable sharing this thought.this guy is a former poster who likes to troll.Posted on 11/1 4:01 PM | IP: Loggedkstatewildcats44New walk-on to the teamPost #107MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams Replyok, thanks. I didn't recognize him.Posted on 11/1 4:04 PM | IP: LoggedZutroyOn the depth chartPost #2205Overland ParkMyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyI think the case could be made that a major reason we were underdogs in those 4 games is lack of a passing attack. So in a sense, Klien overcame his own weakness. With a more balanced offense, we're probably favorites in most of those games.Posted on 11/1 9:46 PM | IP: LoggedSmallsInKCAlmost on scholarshipPost #897Fairway, KSMyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyCK will have to win the starting spot next year. You don't see Snyder starting Hrebek simply because he is a senior.Posted from Rivals MobilePosted on 11/1 10:10 PM | IP: Loggedwichita_catGoPowercat Ring of Fame memberPost #39293The Lonely Street of DreamsMyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyOriginally posted by Zutroy:I think the case could be made that a major reason we were underdogs in those 4 games is lack of a passing attack. So in a sense, Klien overcame his own weakness. With a more balanced offense, we're probably favorites in most of those games.because we have more talent at other positions than Miami, Mizzou, & Tech?Posted on 11/1 10:12 PM | IP: LoggedZ-MAN KSUNew walk-on to the teamPost #41MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams Replyu need to stfu sir..Posted on 11/1 10:26 PM | IP: Loggedkoppe22GoPowercat Ring of Fame memberPost #19507Drunk..Playing with Balloons...MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyOriginally posted by SmallsInKC:CK will have to win the starting spot next year. You don't see Snyder starting Hrebek simply because he is a senior.Posted from Rivals MobileGo on...Posted on 11/6 7:43 PM | IP: Loggedcoyotes1971New walk-on to the teamPost #36MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyNo way. With Klein's success as a starter this year, he will be great as a senior. We are positioned for an outstnding 2012! Go Cats!!Sometimes I struggle with the lack of appreciation for Klein's value.Posted on 11/6 8:44 PM | IP: Loggedcchgocats1New walk-on to the teamPost #91MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyNo, the senor plays. No question!!! Come on man get real. Both equal, senor plays. Underclassman at quater back vs cline? Cline continues to play. Your talking about LHC LHC Bill Snyder and you really think that would happen? No way. Cline is our qb, git over it.Posted on 11/6 8:52 PM | IP: LoggedExtremestuntsA solid starterPost #4525MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplyOriginally posted by adam0220:I am just saying is it likely that sams could be as good of a runner? YesAs a freshman that split time as qb/wr in highschool compared to 5th year senior who has played both in div 1 football. Maybe in time but you didnt say that. You said next year and that is redicululous. If Sams was such a great passing qb why not have him in the whole time at qb in high school? I have toned down my post but i really want to say really? and a whole lot more. I guess yeah anything is possible, but wow dont coach football anytime soon.Could he be a much worse passer? Absolutely...Crazy speculation!Posted on 11/7 5:21 AM | IP: LoggedCATintheLOUAlmost on scholarshipPost #419MyFanPageAdd BuddyIgnore Re: Daniel Sams ReplySams will see some snaps somewhere on the field next year, then in 2013 he'll hopefully start as a RS sophomore and be the next Ell.Posted on 11/7 7:40 AM | IP: Logged
Why would you quote that
thanks for quoting it again in your post madcat
:DNR: Stop posting that crap here!!!
Bender's going to be here for spring drills. He starts and Klein and Sams will both be WRs.
Quote from: EMAWzified on November 11, 2011, 10:30:54 AMBender's going to be here for spring drills. He starts and Klein and Sams will both be WRs.
Quote from: EMAWzified on November 11, 2011, 10:30:54 AMBender's going to be here for spring drills. He starts and Klein and Sams will both be WRs. Tuggle backup qb
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