Official Fire Cosh Thread

[Andy]

Look at the D-Line before you crucify the secondary.  Doesn't matter if you're rough ridin' Alabama if the QB has time to check his god damn email on his phone before throwing the ball, you're going to get torched.

Our d-line isn't great, but muuuuch better than last year.  imho the biggest difference is we can no longer man up w/ corners to bump and run, coupled with our safeties inability to help over the top.  Therefore, we sit back in zone and can't bring backers or safeties via a blitz.  Our safety play is absolutely atrocious.

all this might be true, but its just not working to sit back in zone all day and let these teams with accurate QB's and big WRs eat us alive.  i mean, are we really risking much sending some blitzers and forcing more bad throws and perhaps rough up the QB a bit? is our secondary going to get beat any worse if we do this?  its at least time to try something different or mix it up more.  was really frustrating to watch our 4 down linemen do absolutely nothing all game.

We played man, or a mix of man and zone, quite a bit tonight. We just couldn't cover OSU no matter what we did.

just don't get the whole never blitz thing.

[ednksu]

never blitz because it pull the linebackers out of coverage.  we can't cover people already, why reduce the number available to help.  A bit of a cart/horse argument i know.

[kso_FAN]

never blitz because it pull the linebackers out of coverage.  we can't cover people already, why reduce the number available to help.  A bit of a cart/horse argument i know.

Its hard to blitz against teams that spread 4 or 5 wide, this is true. Also difficult when we make a real effort to keep enough in the box to stop the run (which we've done well).

[chum1]

My only issue with blitzing is that we don't put any pressure the QB when we do it.

[kso_FAN]

My only issue with blitzing is that we don't put any pressure the QB when we do it.

Which is likely one of the main reasons we don't.

[Pendergast]

Might as well just go with 3 down lineman at this point.

[pike]

never blitz because it pull the linebackers out of coverage.  we can't cover people already, why reduce the number available to help.  A bit of a cart/horse argument i know.

Its hard to blitz against teams that spread 4 or 5 wide, this is true. Also difficult when we make a real effort to keep enough in the box to stop the run (which we've done well).

Is it just overall impossible to stop offenses in today's college football? Seems like teams are putting up 500 yards no matter what unless your stacked with NFL talent like LSU, Bama, OU, etc.

[kso_FAN]

never blitz because it pull the linebackers out of coverage.  we can't cover people already, why reduce the number available to help.  A bit of a cart/horse argument i know.

Its hard to blitz against teams that spread 4 or 5 wide, this is true. Also difficult when we make a real effort to keep enough in the box to stop the run (which we've done well).

Is it just overall impossible to stop offenses in today's college football? Seems like teams are putting up 500 yards no matter what unless your stacked with NFL talent like LSU, Bama, OU, etc.

I think so. Really if you have a decent offense, you'll win 10 games a year if you can hold teams to 400 yards and 30 points a game.

[Pendergast]

never blitz because it pull the linebackers out of coverage.  we can't cover people already, why reduce the number available to help.  A bit of a cart/horse argument i know.

Its hard to blitz against teams that spread 4 or 5 wide, this is true. Also difficult when we make a real effort to keep enough in the box to stop the run (which we've done well).

Is it just overall impossible to stop offenses in today's college football? Seems like teams are putting up 500 yards no matter what unless your stacked with NFL talent like LSU, Bama, OU, etc.

I think so. Really if you have a decent offense, you'll win 10 games a year if you can hold teams to 400 yards and 30 points a game.

Which is why we should hire the Pirate and Grumpy Stoops.  Instant MNC.

[chum1]

Might as well just go with 3 down lineman at this point.

Or 2.  Or 1.  Seriously.  Landry and eff face old man just stood in one spot and picked us apart.

[kso_FAN]

never blitz because it pull the linebackers out of coverage.  we can't cover people already, why reduce the number available to help.  A bit of a cart/horse argument i know.

Its hard to blitz against teams that spread 4 or 5 wide, this is true. Also difficult when we make a real effort to keep enough in the box to stop the run (which we've done well).

Is it just overall impossible to stop offenses in today's college football? Seems like teams are putting up 500 yards no matter what unless your stacked with NFL talent like LSU, Bama, OU, etc.

I think so. Really if you have a decent offense, you'll win 10 games a year if you can hold teams to 400 yards and 30 points a game.

Which is why we should hire the Pirate and Grumpy Stoops.  Instant MNC.

Honestly I'd take our offense over a spread passing offense with a better defense.

[Pendergast]

Our offense is great until there's 2 minutes left.  Tonight was the exception, you know that.  Any offense that isn't viable in the last 2 minutes is not a championship offense.

[ednksu]

how good was Mike Stoops at recruiting?  The guy needs a job now after AZ gave him the boot.

[SnillByder]

My only issue with blitzing is that we don't put any pressure the QB when we do it.

Which is likely one of the main reasons we don't.

The few times we did blitz tonight, we did disrupt their offense.

[BoondockSooner]

Mike slaps his head at this thread....but also simultaneously reminds you he is homeless.

He's coming back to Oklahoma dude.   

[Pendergast]

how good was Mike Stoops at recruiting?  The guy needs a job now after AZ gave him the boot.

Can't be any worse than our current state of affairs.  And he's got an anger problem, which means he's my kind of guy.

[ednksu]

Mike slaps his head at this thread....but also simultaneously reminds you he is homeless.

He's coming back to Oklahoma dude.   

serious rumblings or pie  in the sky?

[BoondockSooner]

Mike slaps his head at this thread....but also simultaneously reminds you he is homeless.

He's coming back to Oklahoma dude.   

serious rumblings or pie  in the sky?

Multiple guys have already said the contract is being negotiated.  But they've been wrong before.

I really freaking hope it's true.

[kso_FAN]

My only issue with blitzing is that we don't put any pressure the QB when we do it.

Which is likely one of the main reasons we don't.

The few times we did blitz tonight, we did disrupt their offense.

True, but if you take a less talented team and blitz too much more often than not it will come down to bite you.

Until the last two drives our defense played decent, its just the offense gave up the turnovers and gave OSU the ball inside the 5 yard line twice. Then when the offense gets going and takes back the lead, OSU scores on 2 plays in 29 seconds.

Again, it was a team loss, neither unit made enough plays to win and both made too many mistakes.

[SdK]

never blitz because it pull the linebackers out of coverage.  we can't cover people already, why reduce the number available to help.  A bit of a cart/horse argument i know.

Its hard to blitz against teams that spread 4 or 5 wide, this is true. Also difficult when we make a real effort to keep enough in the box to stop the run (which we've done well).

Is it just overall impossible to stop offenses in today's college football? Seems like teams are putting up 500 yards no matter what unless your stacked with NFL talent like LSU, Bama, OU, etc.

I think so. Really if you have a decent offense, you'll win 10 games a year if you can hold teams to 400 yards and 30 points a game.

Which is why we should hire the Pirate and Grumpy Stoops.  Instant MNC.

Honestly I'd take our offense over a spread passing offense with a better defense.

I love our offense too much to ever want to trade it in for OU/OSU/Baylors/Tech whoever. (Of course I'm not saying I wouldn't trade some of our caliber of players for theirs, but the offense itself. I love)

[jtksu]

Our offense is pretty sweet when we have a true dual threat at QB.  Kinda unstoppable.

[nicname]

Look at the D-Line before you crucify the secondary.  Doesn't matter if you're rough ridin' Alabama if the QB has time to check his god damn email on his phone before throwing the ball, you're going to get torched.

DBs or DL, it is all on Cosh either way.  Not that I disagree with your post.  Cosh has shown absolutely no desire to try and pressure opposing quarterbacks lately.

[kcchiefdav]

Say what you will about the players not being up to par (that's also at least partially Cosh's fault), but the real problem has to be at least partially due to scheme and play calling. Go back and look at the stats from 2009 when Vic was the actual D Cord. The players were equally shitty, if not worse. The offense wasn't eating up 40 min per game. Yet, the defense still wasn't letting every team in the confy set records (2010 everyone set rushing records on us, 2011 it's passing records).

People seem to think that Cosh is doing what he can with what he's got, but I think he's just bad at his job.

[KSUTOMMY]

Well, we know that OBz isn't going to get rid of Cosh no matter what. crap, Cosh'll probably get a raise! 

[wabash909]

Say what you will about the players not being up to par (that's also at least partially Cosh's fault), but the real problem has to be at least partially due to scheme and play calling. Go back and look at the stats from 2009 when Vic was the actual D Cord. The players were equally shitty, if not worse. The offense wasn't eating up 40 min per game. Yet, the defense still wasn't letting every team in the confy set records (2010 everyone set rushing records on us, 2011 it's passing records).

People seem to think that Cosh is doing what he can with what he's got, but I think he's just bad at his job.