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« on: October 24, 2011, 09:25:14 AM »
for ou.  rape us with the deep ball.  is landry a better thrower than jacory?  dear lord, i hope not.


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Re: keys to victory
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2011, 09:27:54 AM »
for ou.  rape us with the deep ball.  is landry a better thrower than jacory?  dear lord, i hope not.

Not better than RG3 or Doege.  May be better than Jacory.

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Re: keys to victory
« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2011, 09:29:20 AM »
i'm worried about matching up with their receivers.  solid group, pretty scary.  I would have worried about their defense, but the past few weeks they've looked meh.

our redzone defense vs. their redzone offense is advantage KSU, which is weird.

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Re: keys to victory
« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2011, 09:32:12 AM »
for ou.  rape us with the deep ball.  is landry a better thrower than jacory?  dear lord, i hope not.

Not better than RG3 or Doege.  May be better than Jacory.

we're talking deep ball here, not gimmicky spread.  you know, over the top.  like miami and ou.

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Re: keys to victory
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2011, 10:10:00 AM »
the gimmicky spread is much easier to stop than a well oiled pro style deep ball offense.
Hartman will get burnt at least 4 or 5 times unless we have him lining up WAY deep which just leaves the middle of the field vulnerable.
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Re: keys to victory
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2011, 10:14:24 AM »
what happened to 2Y in the second half? :confused:

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Re: keys to victory
« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2011, 10:16:20 AM »
the gimmicky spread is much easier to stop than a well oiled pro style deep ball offense.
Hartman will get burnt at least 4 or 5 times unless we have him lining up WAY deep which just leaves the middle of the field vulnerable.


exactly, emaw4ljhl.  i mean, even if landry isn't worse than jacory overall, maybe he will be on saturday.  that's all we really need.

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Re: keys to victory
« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2011, 10:21:42 AM »
the gimmicky spread is much easier to stop than a well oiled pro style deep ball offense.
Hartman will get burnt at least 4 or 5 times unless we have him lining up WAY deep which just leaves the middle of the field vulnerable.


exactly, emaw4ljhl.  i mean, even if landry isn't worse than jacory overall, maybe he will be on saturday.  that's all we really need.

too bad coming off an embarrassing loss they'll be focused/pissed which = not good for EMAWland
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Re: keys to victory
« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2011, 10:27:29 AM »
for ou.  rape us with the deep ball.  is landry a better thrower than jacory?  dear lord, i hope not.

Is he better than Jacory?  Absolutely...they're more deadly in the vertical passing game than Miami.  But what set up Jacory?  Miami's threat of a running game.

Trust me, we're far less concerned about OU's running game than we were about Miami's.  Miami's OL is better than OU's and Whaley/Finch aren't in the same universe as Lamar Miller and Mike James.

So....will our safeties be as close to the LOS as the Miami game?  No.  Even so OU's vertical passing game scares the hell out of me.  Broyles up the seam and Stills down the sidelines is how they go and they're damn good at it.

We'll blitz more in this game than we have...Landry gets rattled on the road.  If we shut down the running game with 5 or 6 and can pop Landry a few times early they'll shy away from using the vertical rts as much.
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Re: keys to victory
« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2011, 10:28:47 AM »
They may be focused, but their corners still suck and still can't run the ball. As far as the Miami comparisons, Jones > Harris but they have nobody who can touch Miller.
I look for the Cats to pull out another close one.

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Re: keys to victory
« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2011, 10:42:23 AM »
Is he better than Jacory?  Absolutely

 :ohno:

OU's vertical passing game scares the hell out of me.

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Re: keys to victory
« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2011, 10:46:36 AM »
i dont even think tysyn should play this game.
too slow
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Re: keys to victory
« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2011, 10:54:32 AM »
Is he better than Jacory?  Absolutely

 :ohno:

OU's vertical passing game scares the hell out of me.

 :runaway:

BUT this isn't the juggernaut that came to town in '04 or '08.  Those offenses not only had more leadership but they had running games that could be dominant, alone, without the passing game.  That is not the case this time.
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Re: keys to victory
« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2011, 10:56:16 AM »
call me crazy but I don't see anyway that OU's LB's stop our running game.  i think we'll see a lot of the same thing we saw last week where K-State's superior OL and blocking create too much room for hubert and the chamber.  

so just pencil in another key to the game.  key:  blocking.


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Re: keys to victory
« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2011, 10:58:12 AM »
i know this has been discussed ad nauseum but we really new the purple nation to show up and BE LOUD this week.  we can rattle the sooners and make a difference on saturday. 

if you want to pencil in another key to victory, go ahead and pencil her in:  purple nation in attendance, also very loud.


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Re: keys to victory
« Reply #15 on: October 24, 2011, 11:10:26 AM »
Can we run a defense that has Malone and Garrett matched up on Stills and Broyles.  So we don't let them burn chapman down the seam and have 2 or 12 forget to help over the top?

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Re: keys to victory
« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2011, 11:10:36 AM »
Is it too late to convert one of the team burners to defense?

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Re: keys to victory
« Reply #17 on: October 24, 2011, 11:12:56 AM »
Don't worry, the scheme will take care of it all. It doesn't matter how fast you can run when the coaches can just tell you where to stand when and the ball will basically intercept itself.

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Re: keys to victory
« Reply #18 on: October 24, 2011, 11:14:36 AM »
Is it too late to convert one of the team burners to defense?

yes


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Re: keys to victory
« Reply #19 on: October 24, 2011, 11:15:01 AM »
Is it too late to convert one of the team burners to defense?

Baby Lockett was also a ball-hawking DB in highschool.  :dunno:

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Re: keys to victory
« Reply #20 on: October 24, 2011, 11:17:03 AM »
Don't worry, the scheme will take care of it all. It doesn't matter how fast you can run when the coaches can just tell you where to stand when and the ball will basically intercept itself.

Scheme Doctor has identified the same feature that all horror film monsters have in being able to walk at a comfortable pace yet catch up to the protagonists who are running around scared as crap.  :runaway:

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Re: keys to victory
« Reply #21 on: October 24, 2011, 11:18:08 AM »
This is beautiful, btw:  

Far more concerned about him deep than Broyles although nervous about tackling Broyles underneath so he doesn't pop one because he's pretty good after the catch.
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Re: keys to victory
« Reply #22 on: October 24, 2011, 11:22:55 AM »
Chapman is the weak link.  I'm guessing he will play significant time and that scares me.  We have played so much base d this year, when we do blitz it seems to work well.   Jones with time scares me as well.  All this said, should be a cakewalk.

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Re: keys to victory
« Reply #23 on: October 24, 2011, 11:23:04 AM »
This is beautiful, btw:  

Far more concerned about him deep than Broyles although nervous about tackling Broyles underneath so he doesn't pop one because he's pretty good after the catch.

Loved the first pump at 0:08.

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Re: keys to victory
« Reply #24 on: October 24, 2011, 11:27:42 AM »
Landry will make some poor decisions if given the opportunity. If we take care of the ball ourselves, we may be able to +2 on turnovers, which would help our efforts quite a bit. Our d-backs need to stay with their receivers even when Landry gets chased, because he is always looking to pass on the run. Sometimes he makes big plays; sometimes he makes a poor throw.

Their o-line will make mistakes. While they're big and athletic, they're also not as smart as a lot of o-lines. They make the wrong blocks a fair amount of time. Our d-line should have an opportunity there to contribute with a few big plays.

Even though we've already seen high pace with Baylor and Tech, we're going to see it again, at least as fast as before. Guys gotta be ready for those quick snaps.

Like Hatter said, I'm more concerned with Broyles and the other OU receivers catching the crossing route and making big gains after. They can run away from Hartman and Zimmerman with no problem if those guys aren't in exactly the right spot. Again, key to this game will be our d-backs staying with their guys and making the tackle.

Finally, if they're first and goal inside the 6 or so, whatever they do on first down (run or pass), they will likely do for the next 2 or 3 downs, as well. Their attitude is that they should be physically superior enough to score however they choose down there and if they don't succeed the first time, they will try the same thing until they're successful.
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