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snyder has become very odd
« on: September 06, 2011, 07:57:50 PM »
the whole "didn't open our playbook" excuse sounds like something an overzealous goEMAW.com football board poster would say to excuse 10-7.


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Re: snyder has become very odd
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2011, 07:59:52 PM »
Old, not odd

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Re: snyder has become very odd
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2011, 08:39:52 PM »
He's super weird. I really hate listening to him talk.

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Re: snyder has become very odd
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2011, 08:42:03 PM »
The weirdest part about what Snyds has become is how his neckflab forms a neck vagina when he wears a tie.
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Re: snyder has become very odd
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2011, 08:49:24 PM »
the whole "didn't open our playbook" excuse sounds like something an overzealous goEMAW.com football board poster would say to excuse 10-7.

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Academics is a stupid word.

Academic schools are synonymous for being rich, powerful and exclusive, three things Kansas State is not.

So when people throw the word "academics" around, that's really what they are referencing.

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Re: snyder has become very odd
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2011, 08:52:57 PM »
the whole "didn't open our playbook" excuse sounds like something an over OPTIMISTIC goEMAW.com football board poster would say to excuse 10-7.

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Re: snyder has become very odd
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2011, 08:53:29 PM »
he has to hate the LHC Bill Snyder Show so much.
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Re: snyder has become very odd
« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2011, 09:38:48 PM »
Come on Bill, the whole "didn't open the play book"  "we were very vanilla"  "just do enough to win" . . . you're stealing all the apologist thunder man.


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Re: snyder has become very odd
« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2011, 10:54:40 PM »
I dislike his smug comments that he says calmly but you know deep down he is loling.

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Re: snyder has become very odd
« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2011, 11:13:46 PM »
there were a lot of things we could have done offensively and I'm not sure why we chose not to use any of them.  Weakside and backside pursuit were largely ignored.  A few bootlegs, reverses, throwback screens would have put an end to the way they aggressively attacked the line.  Middle screens were there for the taking as well.

But regardless of any of this stuff the timing and footwork for the OL was tragic.  The spacing was terrible and nobody finished blocks.  I said before the season started these are not strong point of attack guys in the interior like the 3 a year ago...but they're capable of more than what they showed Saturday. 
Academics is a stupid word.

Academic schools are synonymous for being rich, powerful and exclusive, three things Kansas State is not.

So when people throw the word "academics" around, that's really what they are referencing.

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Re: snyder has become very odd
« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2011, 11:24:24 PM »
not opening up the playbook =10 pts to a 1AA?   :comehere: not buying
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Re: snyder has become very odd
« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2011, 11:31:59 PM »
"Has become very odd"--you know about the pats of butter, right?

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Re: snyder has become very odd
« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2011, 11:48:52 PM »
He seemed to lack the negativity regarding the preparation level of the team leading up the first game this year.

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Re: snyder has become very odd
« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2011, 07:35:42 AM »
"Has become very odd"--you know about the pats of butter, right?

Yeah. When you're successful, you're "eccentric." When you're mediocre, you're "odd."
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Re: snyder has become very odd
« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2011, 10:16:46 AM »
So do you have to open the playbook to not fumble 5 times? Does opening the playbook allow you to score a TD before 2 minutes left in the 4th qtr?

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Re: snyder has become very odd
« Reply #15 on: September 07, 2011, 10:28:07 AM »
? #1 = no

? #2 = yes

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Re: snyder has become very odd
« Reply #16 on: September 07, 2011, 10:50:58 AM »
He seemed to lack the negativity regarding the preparation level of the team leading up the first game this year.
That + preseason optimism = puzzling

Being a respect, I took the optimism to mean that he thinks he has a competitive team.  That concept conflicts with level of play shown during E. Kentucky. 

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Re: snyder has become very odd
« Reply #17 on: September 07, 2011, 11:32:31 AM »
There are a couple different ways to look at the "open up the playbook" argument. One is mix in more of your package than you originally wanted to (or hoped you needed to); ie. mix in different play calls like boot passes, misdirection, reverses etc. that you had hoped to "save" or that you didn't feel comfortable with. The 2nd is to vary the balance you wanted, whether it be between run and pass, QB run game vs RB run game, etc.

It appears pretty clear to me just looking at the discrepency in basic play calls between the 1st half and the 2nd that we had hoped we could just throw out the 3 headed monster RB trio and mix in a little QB run and passing game. Our first half plays featured 17 runs by the RBs, 7 by Klein, and 15 passes. In the 2nd half that changed drastically, starting with the first drive. We had 11 runs by the RBs, 16 by Klein, and only 9 passes. So you go from 43.6% RB run game, 38.5% pass, and only 17.9% QB runs to nearly reversing those numbers in the in the 2nd half; 44.4% QB runs, 30.6% RB runs, and 25% pass.

The decision was made then not to add in more/different play calls. If anything Snyder went backwards; those numbers look a lot more like how he used Klein last year, especially in the Texas game. Part of that is good because EKU's defense did not do a great job accounting for the QB run game and it was largely successful. However, we still couldn't sustain drives (though the 2nd and 3rd drives of the 2nd half both ended in turnovers) so its hard to tell if it could've been more successful or not.

Ultimately its hard to say what this means completely, but clearly what we had planned/hoped to do going in against EKU failed miserable, and our game plan adjustment (more Klein runs) worked moderately well (it did lead to decent drives our last 3 possessions; missed FG, made FG, TD), though probably not as well as hoped (punt on the first 2nd half possession). It also shows that either we didn't want to show more of our offense (boot, misdirection, reverse, etc.) or that Snyder did not trust the offense/Klein running the rest of our offense. We probably won't find out which it was until Kent State partially, and fully until we head to Miami.
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Re: snyder has become very odd
« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2011, 11:55:53 AM »
The reason the game was so close can be easily traced back to the amount of stupid turnovers we had.  If we had 1 or 2 turnovers rather than 5, we win that game by 21+.

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Re: snyder has become very odd
« Reply #19 on: September 07, 2011, 11:57:16 AM »
Should be winning that game by 51+ imo.
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Re: snyder has become very odd
« Reply #20 on: September 07, 2011, 11:59:32 AM »
The reason the game was so close can be easily traced back to the amount of stupid turnovers we had.  If we had 1 or 2 turnovers rather than 5, we win that game by 21+.

True, but that really doesn't adress the point of this thread. Play calls and turnovers aren't mutually exclusive, but there was more to our game plan and switch in strategy from 1st and 2nd half than that, especially considering the first 5 plays of the 2nd half were Klein runs, before our two 2nd half TOs.

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Re: snyder has become very odd
« Reply #21 on: September 07, 2011, 12:02:27 PM »
playbook or not, we got out-physicalled and played like pussies.  if "not opening the playbook" = "our players just got manhandled by some Div 3 team" then i'm on board with Snyds.


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Re: snyder has become very odd
« Reply #22 on: September 07, 2011, 12:04:07 PM »
playbook or not, we got out-physicalled and played like pussies.  if "not opening the playbook" = "our players just got manhandled by some Div 3 team" then i'm on board with Snyds.

I agree, and this was the biggest disappointment from the game.

By far.

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Re: snyder has become very odd
« Reply #23 on: September 07, 2011, 12:26:17 PM »
playbook or not, we got out-physicalled and played like pussies.  if "not opening the playbook" = "our players just got manhandled by some Div 3 team" then i'm on board with Snyds.

I agree, and this was the biggest disappointment from the game.

By far.

Remember when Pete Carroll said that about us?  :embarrassed:
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Re: snyder has become very odd
« Reply #24 on: September 07, 2011, 12:33:25 PM »
playbook or not, we got out-physicalled and played like pussies.  if "not opening the playbook" = "our players just got manhandled by some Div 3 team" then i'm on board with Snyds.

I agree, and this was the biggest disappointment from the game.

By far.

Remember when Pete Carroll said that about us?  :embarrassed:

A lot of people did. IMHO this is really a key part of Snyder's offensive gameplan post-1996. A lot of people just say it was the implimentation of the QB run game, which is a big part of it. But more importantly it is utilizing QB run in "power running schemes", meaning you pull backside offensive line to get an extra body at the point of attack. Heck, lots of people had used some QB run game whether it was option football or traditional QB draw plays, but Snyder's revolution was QB run blended with power football. Not only do you "gain an extra man" because the defense normally didn't account for the QB run, but you also gained an extra man because you pulled offensive linemen. Almost as if you "gained" a numbers advantage of 2 people at the point of attack instead of just 1, but the key part of that was power and physical football with the QB.