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Snyder on the defense this year (Mercury)..
« on: July 28, 2011, 01:10:43 PM »
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Snyder says defense finally has quality depth
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DALLAS — When there's a lack of depth, players get comfortable. They develop bad tendencies and often don't push themselves to their limits — because, hey, there's no one threatening them for their starting job. Turns out that was one of the biggest reasons for Kansas State's struggles defensively last season, senior safety Tysyn Hartman said Tuesday at Big 12 Football Media Days.

"Certain guys felt like they were locked in on a spot, 'OK, well who else is going to play this?'" Hartman said. "The coaches kind of felt trapped, like 'OK, I have to play this guy even though he may not be giving as much effort as some of those other guys that are competing.'"

Which led to this assessment from coach LHC Bill Snyder about his 2010 defense on Tuesday:

"It's not that we were not so good," he said, "We stunk. There was such a lack of consistency, and we weren't very good, as the statistics would tell you, against the run."

But depth should no longer be a major problem area for the Wildcats, who ranked 119th out of 120 teams in run defense in 2010.

"The biggest thing — we now have the most depth that we've had since I've been here," said Hartman, who is in his fifth year at K-State. "There's a lot more competition at almost every position. It's just all across the board and that's something we haven't had.

"Now we have competition everywhere, pushing each other. The second stringers are pushing the first stringers to get better and so on."

The Wildcats still only have 69 players on scholarship, 16 below the maximum 85 that a team can carry, but Snyder feels much better now about the two-deep on the defensive side of the ball.

The biggest addition to the defense is Arthur Brown, who sat out last season after transferring from Miami.

"I'm very impressed with him," Snyder said. "I like guys that do it and Arthur does it. He's a good player, he's an instinctive player and I appreciate that about him as well. Playing the position that he plays and to have the kind of instincts that he has can become very vital in our defense."

The junior middle linebacker will be the anchor at what may be the strongest position group of the K-State defense, where sophomore Tre Walker and senior Emmanuel Lamur are expected to start on each side of Brown. The trio possesses speed — lots of it. And the guys who started at linebacker on last year's defense (minus Walker's two starts) have now been relegated to second string duty or below on the depth chart, a sign of growth at the position.

"The linebacker position we have created that depth," Snyder said. "We've got four guys at linebacker that played either extensively or a reasonable amount of time last year. We've got six guys that we think give us a good two-deep that can be competitive with each other and we've got guys who are passionate about playing so they will compete."

This is where things got interesting, as Snyder made the media's job easy. He was asked a question about Arthur Brown, and proceeded to break down his entire defense by position over the next eight minutes as the reporters huddled around the K-State coach and simply listened.

"Where do we need to get better? We need to get better every place," Snyder said. "Can we? I think we're a better defensive football team. We were a better defensive football team at the end of spring practice than we were at the end of the season. I think we have a chance — it doesn't mean that we're there, and we're not there, but we have a chance that we haven't had before to create some consistent depth in our defense."

K-State brought in three junior college defensive backs in this past recruiting class, all of whom are expected to compete for significant playing time alongside senior David Garrett, who led the Wildcats in tackles with 92 while ranking fourth in the conference with 15 tackles for loss.

"In our secondary, we have a chance," Snyder said. "We've got some newcomers, we'll have three newcomers at the corner position and we don't know yet but it gives us the opportunity because we think they have a chance to be decent players and would give us a chance to have a quality two-deep at the cornerback position."

Hartman returns at safety and will be flanked by sophomore Ty Zimmerman, who was a Freshman All-American last season.

"Our safeties are both back with a year's more experience," Snyder said. "They still have room to grow and if we can put two guys in behind them, which we think we might be able to do, to make those positions competitive to a greater degree than they are right now, then we'll continue to get better.

"I have great faith in both (Zimmerman and Hartman), it's in their nature to be competitive and they will strive to become better under any circumstances. But there's more to depth than just the improvement because you're looking at some point in time somebody gets injured, you've gotta have somebody there. If you have a good player underneath them, you don't always miss a beat."

And Snyder saved the defensive front for last — perhaps the unit that received the bulk of the criticism for last year's struggles.

"The defensive front is a big question — again," he said. "We'd like to think we have maybe three guys at the defensive end position, we could certainly use a fourth — but three guys are competing for two spots.

"The interior defensive line — we've got a number of guys back that have played and we've got newcomers coming but I think we have a chance to have maybe five guys, maybe six that have kind of equal capabilities which will make the position more competitive. And if they bring the spirit, the passion of the game and the competitive nature to it, then we'll continue to get better at the spot.

"That covers all of our defense."

Indeed it does.

In summary: more depth equals more competition, and because of that, guys probably won't be getting too comfortable on the defense this season.

"We just haven't had any depth in the past two years," Snyder said. "if you create depth — by that I mean you've got two guys that are somewhat equal and have a competitive spirit and passion for the game then they will compete day in and day out and that's important to try and win a position. That makes both of them better.

"The more positions you get that kind of depth, the better the chance you have to get a little bit better. It happened 20 years ago and we're trying to get in a position where we can do that. I think we're closer to that.

"It really is significant to have a little better depth than what we've had."

Snyder says Bryce Brown hasn't separated himself

Bryce Brown was the only Wildcat on the All-Big 12 football team selected by the media.

"That's your fault, not mine," Snyder told reporters about voting the Tennessee transfer onto the team.

That's not to say Brown won't live up to the hype and make it, but as of now, the once-top rated recruit in the country may not even be the starting running back come Sept. 3, when K-State opens the season against Eastern Kentucky.

Snyder spent much of his day raving about the leadership and effort that's been displayed by Arthur Brown, Bryce's brother, but the same couldn't be said about Bryce when the K-State coach was asked about him.

"I haven't seen the same thing out of Bryce. It's just the way it is. They're just two different people," Snyder said. "Bryce, hasn't put himself in the same position that Arthur has.

"Bryce's situation is such — there's three, maybe four guys that are very competitive for that (running back) spot."

Snyder added that he expected the position to remain up for grabs in fall camp, as John Hubert and Robert Rose remain competitive for carries.

"If they bring the competitive spirit and the compassion to the game and the practice field it will be very competitive with those that do," Snyder said.

Tillman to arrive soon?

The K-State defense should get a big jolt to the defensive line soon, as Bo Tillman, a 6-foot-6, 275-pound junior college defensive lineman, is expected to arrive for fall camp.

"As we speak the possibilities become stronger that he will get here, Snyder said.



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Academics is a stupid word.

Academic schools are synonymous for being rich, powerful and exclusive, three things Kansas State is not.

So when people throw the word "academics" around, that's really what they are referencing.

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Re: Snyder on the defense this year (Mercury)..
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2011, 01:23:05 PM »
Pretty much this entire article is directed at Brandon Harold.

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« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2011, 01:25:00 PM »
Pretty much this entire article is directed at Alex Hrebec.

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Re: Snyder on the defense this year (Mercury)..
« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2011, 01:26:10 PM »
"If they bring the competitive spirit and the compassion to the game and the practice field it will be very competitive with those that do," Snyder said.

the hell?

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Re: Snyder on the defense this year (Mercury)..
« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2011, 01:30:49 PM »
The weird thing about Snyder and his apologist attitude toward the historical failure of the Chris Cosh defense are comments about how for the first time he's finally "got depth".

Funny how depth wasn't a problem when we had a respectable defense in year one of the return with Vic K at the helm.

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Re: Snyder on the defense this year (Mercury)..
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2011, 01:40:24 PM »
Depth is overrated. It's probably the most overrated thing.

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« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2011, 01:40:45 PM »
The weird thing about Snyder and his apologist attitude toward the historical failure of the Chris Cosh defense are comments about how for the first time he's finally "got depth".

Funny how depth wasn't a problem when we had a respectable defense in year one of the return with Vic K at the helm.


depth becomes more of a problem when you don't have first line guys like Josh Moore, Fitzgerald, and Calvin to get the defense off the field by making stops.  You put those three on last year's defense and it changes a few things.
Academics is a stupid word.

Academic schools are synonymous for being rich, powerful and exclusive, three things Kansas State is not.

So when people throw the word "academics" around, that's really what they are referencing.

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« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2011, 01:42:03 PM »
Depth is overrated. It's probably the most overrated thing.


no.  it's less of a factor if you have enough front line guys who can make plays.  if you don't, and we didn't, then it becomes a very big factor.
Academics is a stupid word.

Academic schools are synonymous for being rich, powerful and exclusive, three things Kansas State is not.

So when people throw the word "academics" around, that's really what they are referencing.

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« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2011, 01:42:22 PM »
Depth is overrated. It's probably the most overrated thing.

I sort of feel like a pile of crap is still a pile of crap.  Even if it's more massive than usual and overflowing from the toilet.




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« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2011, 01:44:27 PM »
Depth is overrated. It's probably the most overrated thing.

I sort of feel like a pile of crap is still a pile of crap.  Even if it's overflowing form the toilet.



The pile of crap gets even worse when it gets pooped. It's better to have fresh legs sometimes.

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Re: Snyder on the defense this year (Mercury)..
« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2011, 01:45:21 PM »
The weird thing about Snyder and his apologist attitude toward the historical failure of the Chris Cosh defense are comments about how for the first time he's finally "got depth".

Funny how depth wasn't a problem when we had a respectable defense in year one of the return with Vic K at the helm.



Depth is part of of the problem.  Cosh's reactionary defensive philosophy is a part of it.  Cosh's poor in game are a part of it.  Cosh's inability to contain his emotions on the sideline (and not let it affect his coaching) is a part of it.

The bottom line is that Cosh tried to run a system and philosophy that didn't mesh with his personnel, and his historically proven reputation as a poor strategist and in game coach was like throwing kerosene on an already blazing bonfire.

Cosh is never, was never, and will never be "the right guy" for a job.  He's mediocre on his best days.  But put him at the head of a defense that sorely lacks front-line talent and depth and you have an awful defense of historic proportions.

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« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2011, 01:47:49 PM »
Who was the 120th run defense last year? 

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« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2011, 01:55:12 PM »
The weird thing about Snyder and his apologist attitude toward the historical failure of the Chris Cosh defense are comments about how for the first time he's finally "got depth".

Funny how depth wasn't a problem when we had a respectable defense in year one of the return with Vic K at the helm.



Depth is part of of the problem.  Cosh's reactionary defensive philosophy is a part of it.  Cosh's poor in game are a part of it.  Cosh's inability to contain his emotions on the sideline (and not let it affect his coaching) is a part of it.

The bottom line is that Cosh tried to run a system and philosophy that didn't mesh with his personnel, and his historically proven reputation as a poor strategist and in game coach was like throwing kerosene on an already blazing bonfire.

Cosh is never, was never, and will never be "the right guy" for a job.  He's mediocre on his best days.  But put him at the head of a defense that sorely lacks front-line talent and depth and you have an awful defense of historic proportions.


it's not that simple.  "reactionary" is what you become when you don't have the horses to be an attacking defense.  It was in our best interest to guard against the big play and force teams into longer drives.  If we tried to do what most around here want or what our defenses used to do in the past it would have been even more ugly.  Whenever you force an offense to score with more plays a chance for that offense to make a mistake becomes greater.  it is what it is.  Sure, it's a slow death but sometimes it works. 
Academics is a stupid word.

Academic schools are synonymous for being rich, powerful and exclusive, three things Kansas State is not.

So when people throw the word "academics" around, that's really what they are referencing.

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« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2011, 01:55:52 PM »
"If they bring the competitive spirit and the compassion to the game and the practice field it will be very competitive with those that do," Snyder said.

the hell?

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Great catch.


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« Reply #15 on: July 28, 2011, 02:39:44 PM »
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« Reply #17 on: July 28, 2011, 02:50:27 PM »
it's not that simple.  "reactionary" is what you become when you don't have the horses to be an attacking defense.  It was in our best interest to guard against the big play and force teams into longer drives.  If we tried to do what most around here want or what our defenses used to do in the past it would have been even more ugly.  Whenever you force an offense to score with more plays a chance for that offense to make a mistake becomes greater.  it is what it is.  Sure, it's a slow death but sometimes it works. 

Cosh has never been known to attack.  It's not his modus operandi.

I'm not one of those Phil Bennett Blitztards, but I think there's a happy medium in there.

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« Reply #18 on: July 28, 2011, 02:51:07 PM »
it's not that simple.  "reactionary" is what you become when you don't have the horses to be an attacking defense.  It was in our best interest to guard against the big play and force teams into longer drives.  If we tried to do what most around here want or what our defenses used to do in the past it would have been even more ugly.  Whenever you force an offense to score with more plays a chance for that offense to make a mistake becomes greater.  it is what it is.  Sure, it's a slow death but sometimes it works. 

Cosh has never been known to attack.  It's not his modus operandi.

I'm not one of those Phil Bennett Blitztards, but I think there's a happy medium in there.

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« Reply #19 on: July 28, 2011, 02:53:25 PM »
"If they bring the competitive spirit and the compassion to the game and the practice field it will be very competitive with those that do," Snyder said.

the hell?


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« Reply #20 on: July 28, 2011, 03:00:15 PM »
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« Reply #21 on: July 28, 2011, 03:09:46 PM »
Depth is overrated. It's probably the most overrated thing.

I sort of feel like a pile of crap is still a pile of crap.  Even if it's overflowing form the toilet.



The pile of crap gets even worse when it gets pooped. It's better to have fresh legs sometimes.

Wrong. Our defensive players got tired from playing bad defense. It's not like they were playing good defense and then they got tired and started playing bad defense. They played bad defense all the time.

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« Reply #22 on: July 28, 2011, 03:10:55 PM »
Chris Cosh as DC:

2003 South Carolina:

Total Defense: 53rd
Scoring Defense:  63rd

2006 Maryland:

Total Defense:  83rd
Scoring Defense:  51st

2007 Maryland:

Total Defense:  40th
Scoring Defense: 24th

2008 Maryland:

Total Defense: 63rd
Scoring Defense: 44th

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« Reply #23 on: July 28, 2011, 03:11:34 PM »
it's not that simple.  "reactionary" is what you become when you don't have the horses to be an attacking defense.  It was in our best interest to guard against the big play and force teams into longer drives.  If we tried to do what most around here want or what our defenses used to do in the past it would have been even more ugly.  Whenever you force an offense to score with more plays a chance for that offense to make a mistake becomes greater.  it is what it is.  Sure, it's a slow death but sometimes it works. 

Cosh has never been known to attack.  It's not his modus operandi.

I'm not one of those Phil Bennett Blitztards, but I think there's a happy medium in there.

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Re: Snyder on the defense this year (Mercury)..
« Reply #24 on: July 28, 2011, 03:12:24 PM »
Depth is overrated. It's probably the most overrated thing.

I sort of feel like a pile of crap is still a pile of crap.  Even if it's overflowing form the toilet.



The pile of crap gets even worse when it gets pooped. It's better to have fresh legs sometimes.

Wrong. Our defensive players got tired from playing bad defense. It's not like they were playing good defense and then they got tired and started playing bad defense. They played bad defense all the time.

Yes, but it went from bad to worse. This year, it should just be consistently bad because we will have fresh legs who aren't much worse. I bet we move into the top 100 defenses nationally this year.