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Re: Republicans stand against the will of the voters...verified fact
« Reply #50 on: July 26, 2011, 12:37:55 PM »
I still don't see where it say's they're paying for it  :ck: But regardless, I agree with OK_cat....government sucks.
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Re: Republicans stand against the will of the voters...verified fact
« Reply #51 on: July 26, 2011, 12:42:23 PM »
I assume you only send and receive mail via UPS and FedEx?

Doesn't matter if we got to keep the money that would otherwise go to those programs.  Besides, 99% of paper mail could easily be eliminated.

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Re: Republicans stand against the will of the voters...verified fact
« Reply #52 on: July 26, 2011, 01:06:34 PM »
I assume you only send and receive mail via UPS and FedEx?

Doesn't matter if we got to keep the money that would otherwise go to those programs.  Besides, 99% of paper mail could easily be eliminated.

How much taxpayer money do you think goes to the USPS?

Hint: They don't get any.

Also, the USPS is the 2nd largest employer in the US (Wal-Mart is 1st). You are suggesting the elimination of a whole lot of well-paying* jobs.

*Well-paying for being a mail man, anyway.
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Re: Republicans stand against the will of the voters...verified fact
« Reply #53 on: July 26, 2011, 01:12:16 PM »
I assume you only send and receive mail via UPS and FedEx?

Doesn't matter if we got to keep the money that would otherwise go to those programs.  Besides, 99% of paper mail could easily be eliminated.

How much taxpayer money do you think goes to the USPS?

Even if they shut it down today, there is something like 50 billion in unfunded union retirement benefits outstanding.

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Re: Republicans stand against the will of the voters...verified fact
« Reply #54 on: July 26, 2011, 01:17:23 PM »
I assume you only send and receive mail via UPS and FedEx?

Doesn't matter if we got to keep the money that would otherwise go to those programs.  Besides, 99% of paper mail could easily be eliminated.

How much taxpayer money do you think goes to the USPS?

Even if they shut it down today, there is something like 50 billion in unfunded union retirement benefits outstanding.

They don't get taxpayer funding.

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Re: Republicans stand against the will of the voters...verified fact
« Reply #55 on: July 26, 2011, 01:22:01 PM »
If the post office could turn a profit then they can stay around, but if not...

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Re: Republicans stand against the will of the voters...verified fact
« Reply #56 on: July 26, 2011, 01:25:12 PM »
If the post office could turn a profit then they can stay around, but if not...

They are a not-for-profit business/quasi government department. It is illegal for them to turn a profit.

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Re: Republicans stand against the will of the voters...verified fact
« Reply #57 on: July 26, 2011, 01:31:10 PM »
If the post office could turn a profit then they can stay around, but if not...

They are a not-for-profit business/quasi government department. It is illegal for them to turn a profit.

Well, if they could work on not losing money hand over fist...

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Re: Republicans stand against the will of the voters...verified fact
« Reply #58 on: July 26, 2011, 01:32:40 PM »
If the post office could turn a profit then they can stay around, but if not...

They are a not-for-profit business/quasi government department. It is illegal for them to turn a profit.

Well, if they could work on not losing money hand over fist...

It is their problem. They don't receive any taxpayer funding. The government shouldn't just eliminate them because you don't like them.

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Re: Republicans stand against the will of the voters...verified fact
« Reply #59 on: July 26, 2011, 01:38:19 PM »
Anyone who has ever waited in line at the post office knows they should be eliminated.

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Re: Republicans stand against the will of the voters...verified fact
« Reply #60 on: July 26, 2011, 02:01:22 PM »
Also, they need to legalize drugs to increase tax revenue, reduce violence, and give a reprieve to our overwhelmed prison system

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Re: Republicans stand against the will of the voters...verified fact
« Reply #61 on: July 26, 2011, 02:02:28 PM »
I still don't see where it say's they're paying for it  :ck: But regardless, I agree with OK_cat....government sucks.

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Re: Republicans stand against the will of the voters...verified fact
« Reply #62 on: July 26, 2011, 02:03:57 PM »
If the post office could turn a profit then they can stay around, but if not...

They are a not-for-profit business/quasi government department. It is illegal for them to turn a profit.

Well, if they could work on not losing money hand over fist...

If every business was required to pre-fund pension programs, they'd all lose money hand over fist.

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Re: Republicans stand against the will of the voters...verified fact
« Reply #63 on: July 26, 2011, 02:04:37 PM »
I assume you only send and receive mail via UPS and FedEx?

Doesn't matter if we got to keep the money that would otherwise go to those programs.  Besides, 99% of paper mail could easily be eliminated.

How much taxpayer money do you think goes to the USPS?

Even if they shut it down today, there is something like 50 billion in unfunded union retirement benefits outstanding.

They don't get taxpayer funding.

You are right, they "borrow" money from the US Treasury.

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Re: Republicans stand against the will of the voters...verified fact
« Reply #64 on: July 26, 2011, 02:09:49 PM »
They will default on their loans this year.

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Re: Republicans stand against the will of the voters...verified fact
« Reply #65 on: July 26, 2011, 03:35:36 PM »
http://www.wibw.com/nationalnews/headlines/Nearly_3700_post_offices_slated_to_close_126203353.html


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Your little post office could be slated to close as the U.S. Postal Service tries to find ways to cut red ink.

Postmaster General Patrick Donahoe released a long-awaited "post office study" of nearly 3,700 potential closings in all 50 states and Washington, D.C.

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Re: Republicans stand against the will of the voters...verified fact
« Reply #66 on: July 27, 2011, 08:37:00 PM »
The only person at my house that would notice the mailman not showing up anymore is my dog.

Yes, my dog is a person.

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Re: Republicans stand against the will of the voters...verified fact
« Reply #67 on: July 27, 2011, 08:40:01 PM »
http://www.wibw.com/nationalnews/headlines/Nearly_3700_post_offices_slated_to_close_126203353.html


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Your little post office could be slated to close as the U.S. Postal Service tries to find ways to cut red ink.

Postmaster General Patrick Donahoe released a long-awaited "post office study" of nearly 3,700 potential closings in all 50 states and Washington, D.C.

The post office isn't funded through stamps?   :horrorsurprise:

I bet UPS could figure out how to do the mail for 25 cents a letter and still collect a profit.
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Re: Republicans stand against the will of the voters...verified fact
« Reply #68 on: July 27, 2011, 11:32:19 PM »
http://www.wibw.com/nationalnews/headlines/Nearly_3700_post_offices_slated_to_close_126203353.html


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Your little post office could be slated to close as the U.S. Postal Service tries to find ways to cut red ink.

Postmaster General Patrick Donahoe released a long-awaited "post office study" of nearly 3,700 potential closings in all 50 states and Washington, D.C.

The post office isn't funded through stamps?   :horrorsurprise:

I bet UPS could figure out how to do the mail for 25 cents a letter and still collect a profit.

Yeah, UPS can't figure out how to deliver lots of more expensive (an profitable) crap to every address in the U.S. That's why when my grandparents live in the middle of rough ridin' nowhere receive something from "UPS" it's delivered by the USPS. UPS will take it to the nearest post office then pay the USPS to deliver it.

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Re: Republicans stand against the will of the voters...verified fact
« Reply #69 on: July 28, 2011, 07:38:23 PM »
http://www.wibw.com/nationalnews/headlines/Nearly_3700_post_offices_slated_to_close_126203353.html


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Your little post office could be slated to close as the U.S. Postal Service tries to find ways to cut red ink.

Postmaster General Patrick Donahoe released a long-awaited "post office study" of nearly 3,700 potential closings in all 50 states and Washington, D.C.

The post office isn't funded through stamps?   :horrorsurprise:

I bet UPS could figure out how to do the mail for 25 cents a letter and still collect a profit.

Yeah, UPS can't figure out how to deliver lots of more expensive (an profitable) crap to every address in the U.S. That's why when my grandparents live in the middle of rough ridin' nowhere receive something from "UPS" it's delivered by the USPS. UPS will take it to the nearest post office then pay the USPS to deliver it.

So UPS sub-contracts these routes to the USPS who operates them at a loss while UPS makes a profit?  ZOMG!  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

There's no way UPS couldn't figure this out better than the US Govt.


Fun fact, did you know that private companies are constitutionally prohibited from operating a post service? 
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Re: Republicans stand against the will of the voters...verified fact
« Reply #70 on: July 29, 2011, 12:32:57 AM »

So UPS sub-contracts these routes to the USPS who operates them at a loss while UPS makes a profit?  ZOMG!  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

There's no way UPS couldn't figure this out better than the US Govt.


Fun fact, did you know that private companies are constitutionally prohibited from operating a post service? 

That's the rough ridin' point you dolt. UPS wouldn't deliver to those locations at all if it weren't for the USPS, which wouldn't deliver to those locations either except for that whole mandate from Congress thing. Also, USPS would have actually have made a profit over the last four years if it didn't have to prepay retirement benefits -- something no other federal or private agency is required to do.

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Re: Republicans stand against the will of the voters...verified fact
« Reply #71 on: July 29, 2011, 12:41:05 AM »
I think it's pretty cool that I can may for whatever a stamp costs now and my grandma will get her card in 2 days.  Hell, it takes me 12 hours just to drive to her house.  :dunno:

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Re: Republicans stand against the will of the voters...verified fact
« Reply #72 on: July 29, 2011, 12:48:05 PM »
Please tell me you don't have a business degree. 


Let's break this down


That's the rough ridin' point you dolt. UPS wouldn't deliver to those locations at all if it weren't for the USPS, unverifiable statement, also untrue
which wouldn't deliver to those locations either except for that whole mandate from Congress thing. which "whole mandate thing"
 Also, USPS would have actually have made a profit over the last four years if it didn't have to prepay retirement benefits -- something no other federal or private agency is required to do.false statement.  All financial reporting companies with defined benefit pensions have to fund the pensions annually.  Why the USPS would even be subject to such oppressive reporting requirements is unknown, but you made it up, not me.

The flagship of efficiency for our federal govt is a complete abortion.  Yet all of your solutions to the problems facing this country is more government.  Nice thought process, dolt.
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Re: Republicans stand against the will of the voters...verified fact
« Reply #73 on: July 29, 2011, 11:55:46 PM »
Please tell me you don't have a business degree. 


Let's break this down


That's the rough ridin' point you dolt. UPS wouldn't deliver to those locations at all if it weren't for the USPS, unverifiable statement, also untrue
which wouldn't deliver to those locations either except for that whole mandate from Congress thing. which "whole mandate thing"
 Also, USPS would have actually have made a profit over the last four years if it didn't have to prepay retirement benefits -- something no other federal or private agency is required to do.false statement.  All financial reporting companies with defined benefit pensions have to fund the pensions annually.  Why the USPS would even be subject to such oppressive reporting requirements is unknown, but you made it up, not me.

The flagship of efficiency for our federal govt is a complete abortion.  Yet all of your solutions to the problems facing this country is more government.  Nice thought process, dolt.

First, I'd like to know how your brain works that an "unverifiable statement" is also "untrue". Those are mutually exclusive terms you know. To claim something is untrue, you must first ascertain its veracity, or you know, verify the statement.

As for the mandate, the USPS must deliver mail six days a week to every address in the nation. UPS contracts with USPS to deliver to the middle of nowhere because UPS did the analysis that it was unprofitable to deliver to those locations. The postal service was actually included in the Constitution and the mandate from congress ensured that everyone received mail.

And in 2006, congress in it's infinite wisdom, determined that the USPS had a decade to prefund the next 75 years of retirement benefits. Please tell me what other government agency or private business is subject to that requirement.

This is why no one will answer your list of questions. You're too rough ridin' dumb to even try to learn something.

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Re: Republicans stand against the will of the voters...verified fact
« Reply #74 on: July 30, 2011, 06:08:09 AM »
06wildcat just made all the post office haters look like fools. 

The USPS systems runs on a 3 years cycle of dealing with pension funding.  The reason why you only hear retards run their mouth about it every few years is because of this system.  USPS doesn't just fund their pension system, they PRE-fund it ahead of time so you have a hill and valley in profit over the course of the cycle. The post office union even wants to change this but the PMG is a rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) who is going to drive the USPS into the ground. 

Anything that is for the good of the nation in the Constitution should not be privatized and held at the whims of the market.  If you believe that, youre an idiot. 
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