Republicans stand against the will of the voters...verified fact

[pike]

We have un Godly large bureaucracy and in many industries is ran by the corporations that they regulate meaning there's an absence of a free market. So, USDA, FDA, DEA, ATF (all they're good for is funneling guns into Mexico), EPA, DEA (especially), FEMA...to name a few.

Believe it or not, there was a time in American history where we didn't have all these and we were just fine. In theory they would work ok but conflict of interests ruins everything.


Privatizing education (which I realize will never happen) would be nice too.

[Dugout DickStone]

Another speech?  Constantine was going to nail Ashley  

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

It's very hard for me to fathom that someone could even begin to defend a federal bureaucracy that is scheduled to spend approximately $3,600,000,000,000.00 this fiscal year. 

How can you not think that there may be some room for improvement there?  That number is embarrassingly large.  It obviously unsustainable.

[hemmy]

[Kat Kid]

Downsize:

Department of Agriculture
Department of Education
Department of Labor
IRS
Military
Department of Defense

Eliminate:

US Botanic Garden
African Development Foundation
Vietnam Education Foundation
Broadcasting Board of Governors
The Office of National Drug Control Policy
FCC
National Agricultural Statistics Service
National Archives and Records Administration (NARA)
OSHA (they are self-sustaining but they effing suck)
The National Railroad Passenger Corporation
US Border Patrol
Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration
Postal Service
Office of Government Ethics
National Institute of Food and Agriculture
National Gallery of Art
Rural Development
National Bipartisan Commission on the Future of Medicare
National Drug Intelligence Center
Environmental Protection Agency
Migratory Bird Conservation Commission
Lead Hazard Control
Institute of Peace
International Broadcasting Bureau
Government Accountability Office
Grain Inspection, Packers and Stockyards Administration
Bureau of Indian Affairs
ATF
State of California
Council on Environmental Quality
Defense Security Cooperation Agency
Defense Security Service
Drug Enforcement Administration
Economic Development Administration
Economic Research Service
Energy Information Administration

so who will assume regulatory authority?  The state of California?  ELIMINATED!  COST SAVINGS REALIZED!  LOL.

[EllToPay]

Downsize:

Department of Agriculture
Department of Education
Department of Labor
IRS
Military
Department of Defense

Eliminate:

US Botanic Garden
African Development Foundation
Vietnam Education Foundation
Broadcasting Board of Governors
The Office of National Drug Control Policy
FCC
National Agricultural Statistics Service
National Archives and Records Administration (NARA)
OSHA (they are self-sustaining but they rough ridin' suck)
The National Railroad Passenger Corporation
US Border Patrol
Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration
Postal Service
Office of Government Ethics
National Institute of Food and Agriculture
National Gallery of Art
Rural Development
National Bipartisan Commission on the Future of Medicare
National Drug Intelligence Center
Environmental Protection Agency
Migratory Bird Conservation Commission
Lead Hazard Control
Institute of Peace
International Broadcasting Bureau
Government Accountability Office
Grain Inspection, Packers and Stockyards Administration
Bureau of Indian Affairs
ATF
State of California
Council on Environmental Quality
Defense Security Cooperation Agency
Defense Security Service
Drug Enforcement Administration
Economic Development Administration
Economic Research Service
Energy Information Administration

http://money.cnn.com/2011/07/25/news/economy/post_office_shut_downs/index.htm?hpt=hp_t2

[hemmy]

Downsize:

Department of Agriculture
Department of Education
Department of Labor
IRS
Military
Department of Defense

Eliminate:

US Botanic Garden
African Development Foundation
Vietnam Education Foundation
Broadcasting Board of Governors
The Office of National Drug Control Policy
FCC
National Agricultural Statistics Service
National Archives and Records Administration (NARA)
OSHA (they are self-sustaining but they effing suck)
The National Railroad Passenger Corporation
US Border Patrol
Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration
Postal Service
Office of Government Ethics
National Institute of Food and Agriculture
National Gallery of Art
Rural Development
National Bipartisan Commission on the Future of Medicare
National Drug Intelligence Center
Environmental Protection Agency
Migratory Bird Conservation Commission
Lead Hazard Control
Institute of Peace
International Broadcasting Bureau
Government Accountability Office
Grain Inspection, Packers and Stockyards Administration
Bureau of Indian Affairs
ATF
State of California
Council on Environmental Quality
Defense Security Cooperation Agency
Defense Security Service
Drug Enforcement Administration
Economic Development Administration
Economic Research Service
Energy Information Administration

so who will assume regulatory authority?  The state of California?  ELIMINATED!  COST SAVINGS REALIZED!  LOL.

Sarcasm much?  Jesus Christ liberals sure take things so seriously.

[Panjandrum]

I think there's a shift (and this was on Meet the Press yesterday, too) where politicians care more about placating their base than what most American's want because they are facing stiffer competitions in the primaries than they used to.  They need to placate the base to continue their political careers more than the majority of voters because it's pointless to satisfy them unless you can get out of your own primary.

The debt ceiling has to get raised.  I think anyone with a brain understands the implications of it not being raised.  What I don't think the Republicans understand is that all of this sabre rattling isn't really helping them.  I think the vast majority of the nation is under agreement that we need to have serious conversations about how our nation does business, but it's not going to get done in a matter of weeks.  They have one major 'to-do' that needs to get done before they can start hammering out specifics, but they don't want to let this opportunity to essentially hold the economy hostage to get what they want pass them by.

Personally, I couldn't be more disgusted with House Republicans than I am right now.  They're playing chicken with a train.

I agree but the problem is once the ceiling is passed, the whole issue is tabled until it is up again and everyone panics.  Assuming that if the new ceiling gets passed both parties will sit down and take a long hard look at reducing the debt, balancing the budget and developing a long term strategy to pay off the debt while enacting an equitable tax system is more than a fairy tale.

Here's my thing.  I agree with everything you just said, but I think we're diving too much into granular details at this point. I think they could make progress without whining about specifics.

They can debate corporate jet tax loopholes after we steer the ship away from the iceburg.

[Panjandrum]

I agree with this.  We need to slash the military budget in half for fiscal 2012.

That would lump me in with the people who think we're spending way to much on unnecessary programs.

[hemmy]

Most politicians should be fired too, add them to my list.

[michigancat]

I like California.

[Cire]

We need congressional district reform

[pike]

I agree with this.  We need to slash the military budget in half for fiscal 2012.

That would lump me in with the people who think we're spending way to much on unnecessary programs.

They military industrial complex will kill any politician that pushes that.

Just ask Kennedy.

[MakeItRain]

Downsize:

Department of Agriculture
Department of Education
Department of Labor
IRS
Military
Department of Defense

Eliminate:

US Botanic Garden
African Development Foundation
Vietnam Education Foundation
Broadcasting Board of Governors
The Office of National Drug Control Policy
FCC
National Agricultural Statistics Service
National Archives and Records Administration (NARA)
OSHA (they are self-sustaining but they rough ridin' suck)
The National Railroad Passenger Corporation
US Border Patrol
Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration
Postal Service
Office of Government Ethics
National Institute of Food and Agriculture
National Gallery of Art
Rural Development
National Bipartisan Commission on the Future of Medicare
National Drug Intelligence Center
Environmental Protection Agency
Migratory Bird Conservation Commission
Lead Hazard Control
Institute of Peace
International Broadcasting Bureau
Government Accountability Office
Grain Inspection, Packers and Stockyards Administration
Bureau of Indian Affairs
ATF
State of California
Council on Environmental Quality
Defense Security Cooperation Agency
Defense Security Service
Drug Enforcement Administration
Economic Development Administration
Economic Research Service
Energy Information Administration

I assume you only send and receive mail via UPS and FedEx?

[FP TC etc.]

lol @ hemmy right now.

[MakeItRain]

Yeah, just fire a bunch of people, that will solve all our problems.

No it will.  I'm sure all of these rough ridin' crybabies in the private sector always crying about the government will willingly do all they can to pull the national unemployment rate from 20%.  I always hoped that fuckwads who complained about government sector jobs weren't people who actual businesses.  I would hope these people are smart enough to know that government employees keep their shitty restaurants open. 

[06wildcat]

We have un Godly large bureaucracy and in many industries is ran by the corporations that they regulate meaning there's an absence of a free market. So, USDA, FDA, DEA, ATF (all they're good for is funneling guns into Mexico), EPA, DEA (especially), FEMA...to name a few.

Believe it or not, there was a time in American history where we didn't have all these and we were just fine. In theory they would work ok but conflict of interests ruins everything.


Privatizing education (which I realize will never happen) would be nice too.

There was also a time in history where self-regulating businesses led to things like rough ridin' rivers catching fire. If that's your definition of just fine, I'd hate to see what moderately bad looks like.

[pike]

We have un Godly large bureaucracy and in many industries is ran by the corporations that they regulate meaning there's an absence of a free market. So, USDA, FDA, DEA, ATF (all they're good for is funneling guns into Mexico), EPA, DEA (especially), FEMA...to name a few.

Believe it or not, there was a time in American history where we didn't have all these and we were just fine. In theory they would work ok but conflict of interests ruins everything.


Privatizing education (which I realize will never happen) would be nice too.

There was also a time in history where self-regulating businesses led to things like rough ridin' rivers catching fire. If that's your definition of just fine, I'd hate to see what moderately bad looks like.

Funny you mention that, seeing as that BP wrecked an entire eco-system and got off scot free

[06wildcat]

We have un Godly large bureaucracy and in many industries is ran by the corporations that they regulate meaning there's an absence of a free market. So, USDA, FDA, DEA, ATF (all they're good for is funneling guns into Mexico), EPA, DEA (especially), FEMA...to name a few.

Believe it or not, there was a time in American history where we didn't have all these and we were just fine. In theory they would work ok but conflict of interests ruins everything.


Privatizing education (which I realize will never happen) would be nice too.

There was also a time in history where self-regulating businesses led to things like rough ridin' rivers catching fire. If that's your definition of just fine, I'd hate to see what moderately bad looks like.

Funny you mention that, seeing as that BP wrecked an entire eco-system and got off scot free

One of those actually happened. 

[pike]

We have un Godly large bureaucracy and in many industries is ran by the corporations that they regulate meaning there's an absence of a free market. So, USDA, FDA, DEA, ATF (all they're good for is funneling guns into Mexico), EPA, DEA (especially), FEMA...to name a few.

Believe it or not, there was a time in American history where we didn't have all these and we were just fine. In theory they would work ok but conflict of interests ruins everything.


Privatizing education (which I realize will never happen) would be nice too.

There was also a time in history where self-regulating businesses led to things like rough ridin' rivers catching fire. If that's your definition of just fine, I'd hate to see what moderately bad looks like.

Funny you mention that, seeing as that BP wrecked an entire eco-system and got off scot free

One of those actually happened. 

But the clean up costs have been passed on to the US taxpayer 

[06wildcat]

We have un Godly large bureaucracy and in many industries is ran by the corporations that they regulate meaning there's an absence of a free market. So, USDA, FDA, DEA, ATF (all they're good for is funneling guns into Mexico), EPA, DEA (especially), FEMA...to name a few.

Believe it or not, there was a time in American history where we didn't have all these and we were just fine. In theory they would work ok but conflict of interests ruins everything.


Privatizing education (which I realize will never happen) would be nice too.

There was also a time in history where self-regulating businesses led to things like rough ridin' rivers catching fire. If that's your definition of just fine, I'd hate to see what moderately bad looks like.

Funny you mention that, seeing as that BP wrecked an entire eco-system and got off scot free

One of those actually happened. 

But the clean up costs have been passed on to the US taxpayer 

Link?

[pike]

We have un Godly large bureaucracy and in many industries is ran by the corporations that they regulate meaning there's an absence of a free market. So, USDA, FDA, DEA, ATF (all they're good for is funneling guns into Mexico), EPA, DEA (especially), FEMA...to name a few.

Believe it or not, there was a time in American history where we didn't have all these and we were just fine. In theory they would work ok but conflict of interests ruins everything.


Privatizing education (which I realize will never happen) would be nice too.

There was also a time in history where self-regulating businesses led to things like rough ridin' rivers catching fire. If that's your definition of just fine, I'd hate to see what moderately bad looks like.

Funny you mention that, seeing as that BP wrecked an entire eco-system and got off scot free

One of those actually happened. 

But the clean up costs have been passed on to the US taxpayer 

Link?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/epic/bpdot/8598628/BP-wins-legal-challenge-over-oil-spill-clean-up.html

Basically said eff you to 100k people and the government has to foot the bill.

[06wildcat]

That article doesn't say what you think it does:

Moreover, BP and the agencies comprising the Unified Area Command have been and are cleaning up the Gulf of Mexico. An injury is not redressable by a citizen suit when the injury is already being addressed.
He also pointed out that US government agencies, not BP, are directing the clean-up. Therefore a court order could not "resolve any potential deficiency in the ongoing clean-up".

Basically the same third parties should be suing the government too, which will also get tossed.  


Edit: Also just realized you think 100k people were ruled against here. The judge only tossed a portion of a series of suits filed by environmental groups.

Here's the basics of the article so you can understand them:
Government is directing the clean-up.
BP is paying for government directed clean-up.
Environmental groups sue because they don't like the clean-up.
Judge tells environmental groups it's up to the government to determine deficiencies of clean-up and sue if necessary.
BP is still paying for the clean-up.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Yeah, just fire a bunch of people, that will solve all our problems.

No it will.  I'm sure all of these rough ridin' crybabies in the private sector always crying about the government will willingly do all they can to pull the national unemployment rate from 20%.  I always hoped that fuckwads who complained about government sector jobs weren't people who actual businesses.  I would hope these people are smart enough to know that government employees keep their shitty restaurants open. 

They aren't.

[OK_Cat]

this thread is another example of why the government sucks. 

instead of solving a rough ridin' problem, it's a bunch of whiny ass democrats and a bunch of pompous ass republicans whipping out their dicks and bitching about who is bigger.

Shut the eff up, all of you.  JFC.

democrats are bigger, for the record