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drug war
« on: July 11, 2011, 11:58:20 AM »
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5g9C6x99EnFVdFuXw_B8pvDRzLqcA?docId=CNG.e740b6d0077ba8c28f6d1dd931c6f679.5e1

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Health experts in Portugal said Friday that Portugal's decision 10 years ago to decriminalise drug use and treat addicts rather than punishing them is an experiment that has worked. "There is no doubt that the phenomenon of addiction is in decline in Portugal," said Joao Goulao, President of the Institute of Drugs and Drugs Addiction, a press conference to mark the 10th anniversary of the law. The number of addicts considered "problematic" -- those who repeatedly use "hard" drugs and intravenous users -- had fallen by half since the early 1990s, when the figure was estimated at around 100,000 people, Goulao said.



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Re: drug war
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2011, 12:14:07 PM »
There was a huge summit in Guatemala last month on changing counternarcotics strategies, prefaced by some interesting "paradigm shift" rhetoric from presidents in Colombia and Mexico (Los Zetas are actually (unintentionally) doing a lot right now to promote the cause of decriminalization)

With the new openness in Colombia, an incumbent in Bolivia who just dropped out of the UN Convention out of protest of coca leaves not being legal (and who kicked the DEA out 3 years) and a new leftist/nationalist president coming into office in Peru, there's a potentially interesting political alignment shaping up in the major producer countries. With Central American transit countries overwhelmed and overmatched by the security threats posed by transnational criminal organizations (and with US internal demand and insufficient arms trafficking protocols predominantly blamed), there's a a real regional push forming on this.

The question is whether the US would threaten vital aid programs (like they did the ATPDEA in Ecuador) if Peru or Colombia or any of the northern triangle unilaterally decriminalized narcotics (the answer right now is almost certainly yes, which is sad, because the specter of the economic damage those cuts would cause is probably enough to pressure even nominally anti-US administrations like Ecuador's into backing off, and with Venezuela going broke and Chavez facing an internal political crisis over health questions and an upcoming election, there's not enough socialist "ALBA" alternative petrodollars to sufficiently mitigate let alone offset the loss in US aid and trade benefits).
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Re: drug war
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2011, 12:30:55 PM »
I  bet Bill O'Reilly is busy warming up his propaganda for this one

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Re: drug war
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2011, 12:33:42 PM »
Isn't O'Reilly pro-decriminalization?
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Re: drug war
« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2011, 12:41:20 PM »
Isn't O'Reilly pro-decriminalization?

uh, i don't think so.

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Re: drug war
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2011, 12:45:40 PM »
You mean isn't working? Who would have thought?

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Re: drug war
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2011, 12:47:41 PM »
there are more mary-JUAna distributorships in Denver than there are coffee shops.  fun fact I picked up this weekend.  saw a dancing promotion guy with a sign outside of one ala taco johns or pretty much every crappy pizza place.  he was pretty great. 

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Re: drug war
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2011, 01:08:07 PM »
I've honestly stopped caring about weed. Criminalized or no.


Too many of my stoner friends are eff ups in life for me to ever want to smoke again, to be frank.  Just about all of them are pretty sad.
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Re: drug war
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2011, 01:20:22 PM »
I've honestly stopped caring about weed. Criminalized or no.


Too many of my stoner friends are eff ups in life for me to ever want to smoke again, to be frank.  Just about all of them are pretty sad.

They would be eff-ups with or without it.  Millions of people function just fine using it.

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Re: drug war
« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2011, 04:15:31 PM »
there are more mary-JUAna distributorships in Denver than there are coffee shops.  fun fact I picked up this weekend.  saw a dancing promotion guy with a sign outside of one ala taco johns or pretty much every crappy pizza place.  he was pretty great. 

did you make it to snooze?

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Re: drug war
« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2011, 05:15:28 PM »
I've honestly stopped caring about weed. Criminalized or no.


Too many of my stoner friends are eff ups in life for me to ever want to smoke again, to be frank.  Just about all of them are pretty sad.

They would be eff-ups with or without it. 

not really. gateway to a bad lifestyle. it's complicated, but i see the point in keeping drugs illegal despite the enourmous economic benefits that would ensue from legalization.

but as i always tell my students, life isn't sim city 2000. it's not always simply about optimization.

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« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2011, 05:20:49 PM »
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Re: drug war
« Reply #12 on: July 11, 2011, 05:30:23 PM »
http://healthland.time.com/2011/07/11/u-s-rules-marijuana-has-no-medical-use-what-does-science-say/

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The U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) ruled on Friday that marijuana has "no accepted medical use" and should therefore remain illegal under federal law — regardless of conflicting state legislation allowing medical marijuana and despite hundreds of studies and centuries of medical practice attesting to the drug's benefits.

Read more: http://healthland.time.com/2011/07/11/u-s-rules-marijuana-has-no-medical-use-what-does-science-say/#ixzz1Rq3Sqfpo

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Re: drug war
« Reply #13 on: July 11, 2011, 05:37:51 PM »
http://healthland.time.com/2011/07/11/u-s-rules-marijuana-has-no-medical-use-what-does-science-say/

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The U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) ruled on Friday that marijuana has "no accepted medical use" and should therefore remain illegal under federal law — regardless of conflicting state legislation allowing medical marijuana and despite hundreds of studies and centuries of medical practice attesting to the drug's benefits.

Read more: http://healthland.time.com/2011/07/11/u-s-rules-marijuana-has-no-medical-use-what-does-science-say/#ixzz1Rq3Sqfpo

Well of course the DEA wants it illegal.

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Re: drug war
« Reply #14 on: July 11, 2011, 07:12:20 PM »
there are more mary-JUAna distributorships in Denver than there are coffee shops.  fun fact I picked up this weekend.  saw a dancing promotion guy with a sign outside of one ala taco johns or pretty much every crappy pizza place.  he was pretty great. 

did you make it to snooze?

no, the embassy suites had legit free breakfast so going to a brunch place did not make it into our plans

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Re: drug war
« Reply #15 on: July 11, 2011, 10:03:44 PM »
chalk up another conservative hardline stance that has proven not to work. Way to be progressive Portugal.