Author Topic: rip junkyard cats (Read 8416 times)

sys · « **on:** February 24, 2010, 05:19:02 AM »

hello high efg% cats

http://kenpom.com/expsked.php?team=Kansas%20St.

fatty fat fat · « **Reply #1 on:** February 24, 2010, 06:00:15 AM »

when will you f*cking learn you can't link to kenpom stats?

michigancat · « **Reply #2 on:** February 24, 2010, 06:24:29 AM »

Oh, but you can:

http://kenpom.com/expsked.php?team=Kansas%20St.&y=2010

sys · « **Reply #3 on:** February 24, 2010, 07:09:36 AM »

Quote from: fatty fat fat on February 24, 2010, 06:00:15 AM

when will you f*cking learn you can't link to kenpom stats?

people that want to see it will figure it out.

Pete · « **Reply #4 on:** February 24, 2010, 07:19:19 AM »

I'm confused, isn't it good for the other team to have a low efg%?

Please explain this to a

michigancat · « **Reply #5 on:** February 24, 2010, 07:47:57 AM »

Quote from: Pete on February 24, 2010, 07:19:19 AM

I'm confused, isn't it good for the other team to have a low efg%? Please explain this to a

He's referring to KSU's efg.

Contrary to popular junkyard cat mentality, KSU's real strength is its offense, and the efg% (shooting) has been phenomenal in Big 12 play. (at least in wins)

nicname · « **Reply #6 on:** February 24, 2010, 07:48:13 AM »

Quote from: Pete on February 24, 2010, 07:19:19 AM

I'm confused, isn't it good for the other team to have a low efg%? Please explain this to a

Don't get it either 52.2 is decent but,

we've been at around 53.5 the last two games, and the efg% defense hasn't been noteworthy?

mcmwcat · « **Reply #7 on:** February 24, 2010, 07:55:01 AM »

Quote from: sys on February 24, 2010, 05:19:02 AM

hello high efg% cats

also, our defensive ranking went from 26 to 22

kso_FAN · « **Reply #8 on:** February 24, 2010, 08:06:55 AM »

Meh.

Junkyard Cats is just as much about OR% and FTR as it is eFG%.

mcmwcat · « **Reply #9 on:** February 24, 2010, 08:08:21 AM »

Quote from: ksu_FAN on February 24, 2010, 08:06:55 AM

Meh.

Junkyard Cats is just as much about OR% and FTR as it is eFG%.

runouts off turnovers also help to reinforce junkyard cats

nicname · « **Reply #10 on:** February 24, 2010, 08:08:35 AM »

Quote from: mcmwcat on February 24, 2010, 07:55:01 AM

Quote from: sys on February 24, 2010, 05:19:02 AM
hello high efg% cats

also, our defensive ranking went from 26 to 22

About two weeks ago our Orank was 16 and our Drank was 18. Would like to see the Drank get back near the top 15. Nebraska shooting 66% from 3 doesn't help.

sys · « **Reply #11 on:** February 24, 2010, 08:15:52 AM »

the last few games kstate hasn't been (consistently) getting a lot of oboards or to a lesser extent shooting a lot of fts (or constantly fouling). they've been winning mostly by shooting a higher efg% than the opponent.

nicname · « **Reply #12 on:** February 24, 2010, 08:23:19 AM »

Quote from: ksu_FAN on February 24, 2010, 08:06:55 AM

Meh.

Junkyard Cats is just as much about OR% and FTR as it is eFG%.

QFT. JYC is about relentlessness and these stats as well as overplaying passing lanes, ball denial, etc all add into the effect. We're lucky it is truly a treat to watch a team play this way. The best part is that when we shoot well it is a thing of beauty, but even when we don't shoot well we are still able to dominate all but the top few teams in the country. I was watching the game last night and made a comment that, "we are better at nearly every aspect of the game than the opponent, and it isn't close for any area" it has been a long time since you could say that.

nicname · « **Reply #13 on:** February 24, 2010, 08:26:07 AM »

Quote from: sys on February 24, 2010, 08:15:52 AM

the last few games kstate hasn't been (consistently) getting a lot of oboards or to a lesser extent shooting a lot of fts (or constantly fouling). they've been winning mostly by shooting a higher efg% than the opponent.

This is true. as our Orate has skyrocketed to #10. Opponents are shooting better as well. CU, NU and OU have a lot to do with it, all three are pretty effecient on offense yet are atrocious on defense.

nicname · « **Reply #14 on:** February 24, 2010, 08:27:41 AM »

Well, NU isn't typically great on offense but they were against us.

pissclams · « **Reply #15 on:** February 24, 2010, 08:30:10 AM »

Quote from: sys on February 24, 2010, 08:15:52 AM

the last few games kstate hasn't been (consistently) getting a lot of oboards or to a lesser extent shooting a lot of fts (or constantly fouling). they've been winning mostly by shooting a higher efg% than the opponent.

would prefer the junkyard catz. this shiny top 10 crap is for losers.

catzacker · « **Reply #16 on:** February 24, 2010, 09:35:58 AM »

On College Basketball Final, Stephen Bardo said we had the "junkyard dogs" to beat Syracuse and I'll take Bardo's word over Kenpom any day.

Pete · « **Reply #17 on:** February 24, 2010, 09:40:53 AM »

Dudes, don't we get less offensive rebounds when we shoot better?

michigancat · « **Reply #18 on:** February 24, 2010, 09:52:08 AM »

Quote from: Pete on February 24, 2010, 09:40:53 AM

Dudes, don't we get less offensive rebounds when we shoot better?

OR% is based on the percentage of our misses get rebounded - not pure quantity.

SleepFighter · « **Reply #19 on:** February 24, 2010, 10:36:36 AM »

In conference games prior to yesterday K-State is 2nd in dEff and 3rd in oEff. Yesterday didn't hurt the dEff numbers any either.

The reports of the death of the junkyard cats have been greatly exaggerated.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #20 on:** February 24, 2010, 10:42:58 AM »

Conference games only.

.97 points per possession - Tied with KU for best in the league.
47.3 opponent's eFG% - 3rd in the league behind KU and UT.
51.4 FTR - 1st in the league.
40.6 ORB% - 2nd in the league behind KU.

Still pretty Junkyard-y.

sys · « **Reply #21 on:** February 24, 2010, 10:59:44 AM »

Quote from: SleepFighter on February 24, 2010, 10:36:36 AM

In conference games prior to yesterday K-State is 2nd in dEff and 3rd in oEff. Yesterday didn't hurt the dEff numbers any either.

The reports of the death of the junkyard cats have been greatly exaggerated.

driven by efg% not oboards and ftr. deff has nothing to do with it.

SleepFighter · « **Reply #22 on:** February 24, 2010, 11:03:08 AM »

Quote from: sys on February 24, 2010, 10:59:44 AM

Quote from: SleepFighter on February 24, 2010, 10:36:36 AM
In conference games prior to yesterday K-State is 2nd in dEff and 3rd in oEff. Yesterday didn't hurt the dEff numbers any either.

The reports of the death of the junkyard cats have been greatly exaggerated.

driven by efg% not oboards and ftr. deff has nothing to do with it.

Someone needs to define junkyard cats for me, I thought face chewing oppo TO% etc was a definitive piece of the formula.

sys · « **Reply #23 on:** February 24, 2010, 11:05:34 AM »

Quote from: ksu_FAN on February 24, 2010, 10:42:58 AM

Conference games only.

.97 points per possession - Tied with KU for best in the league.
47.3 opponent's eFG% - 3rd in the league behind KU and UT.
51.4 FTR - 1st in the league.
40.6 ORB% - 2nd in the league behind KU.

Still pretty Junkyard-y.

6 games since ku. 43.9 ftr, 35.7 orb%.

the ftr may just be noise, the orb% i think is meaningful.

sys · « **Reply #24 on:** February 24, 2010, 11:13:21 AM »

Quote from: SleepFighter on February 24, 2010, 11:03:08 AM

Someone needs to define junkyard cats for me, I thought face chewing oppo TO% etc was a definitive piece of the formula.

maybe in other threads, but not in this thread. in this thread, it's about maintaining a high oeff via oboards and ftr rather than efg% and/or low to%.

Author Topic: rip junkyard cats (Read 8416 times)

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