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Re: the most important defensive statistic...
« Reply #25 on: July 11, 2011, 01:20:45 PM »
I pointed out the most important defensive statistic last year it is: points allowed per play (adjusted for strength of schedule).

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That would be a great statistic for the NCAA to track.  Assuming 65 by the opposition per game the 2010 defense was just a FG worse than the 2009 defense. 
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« Reply #26 on: July 11, 2011, 01:39:15 PM »
Curious to see the top scoring D teams for the same years...Manhatter?

scoring defense '99
1 Virginia Tech 10.5
2 Marshall 11.2
3 Nebraska 12.5
4 Kansas St. 13.1
5 Wisconsin 13.2

scoring defense '00
1 TCU  9.6
2 Florida St. 10.3
3 Toledo  11.4
4 Western Mich.  11.6
5 Miami (Fla.) 15.5


scoring defense '01
1 Miami (Fla.) 9.4
2 Virginia Tech 13.4
3 Texas 13.7
4 Oklahoma  13.8 
5 Florida 14.1


scoring defense '02
1 Kansas St. 11.8
2 Ohio St. 13.1
3 North Texas 192 14.8
4 Georgia  15.1
5 Alabama 15.4

scoring defense '03
1 LSU 11.0
2 Nebraska 14.5
3 Georgia 14.5 
4 Miami (Fla.) 15.1 
5 Oklahoma 15.3

scoring defense '04
1 Auburn 11.3
2 Virginia Tech 12.8
3 Southern California 13.0
4 Florida St. 14.1
5 Penn St.  15.3

scoring defense '05
1 Alabama 10.7
2 Virginia Tech 12.9
3 LSU 14.2
4 Miami (Fla.) 14.3
5 Ohio St. 15.3

scoring defense '06
1 Virginia Tech 11.0
2 Wisconsin  12.1
3 TCU  12.3
4 LSU 12.6
5 Ohio St. 12.8

scoring defense '07
1 Ohio St. 12.8 
2 Southern California 16.0
3 Virginia Tech 16.1
4 Kansas 16.4
5 Utah 16.8

scoring defense '08
1 Southern California 9.00 
2 TCU 11.31
3 Boise St. 12.62
4 Florida 12.93
5 Iowa 13.00

scoring defense '09
1 Nebraska 10.43
2 Alabama 11.71
3 Penn St. 12.23
4 Florida 12.43
5 Ohio St. 12.54

scoring defense '10
1 TCU 12.00
2 Boise St. 12.77
3 Alabama 13.54
3 West Virginia 13.54
5 Ohio St. 14.31
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Re: the most important defensive statistic...
« Reply #27 on: July 11, 2011, 03:32:54 PM »
I pointed out the most important defensive statistic last year it is: points allowed per play (adjusted for strength of schedule).

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That would be a great statistic for the NCAA to track.  Assuming 65 by the opposition per game the 2010 defense was just a FG worse than the 2009 defense. 

NT (2010)  = 65.4
NU (2010)  = 70.7
NU (2007)  = 68.4
TT  (2009)  = 66.0

Reg Season total raw DE

2010 = 30.7
2009 = 27.7
2008 = 34.8
2007 = 31.6
2006 = 27.0
DE is points given up in 75 offensive plays, so yep your analysis is spot on.

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Re: the most important defensive statistic...
« Reply #28 on: July 11, 2011, 03:40:01 PM »
Ratio of points allowed by defense per points scored by the offense?  :dunno:

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Re: the most important defensive statistic...
« Reply #29 on: July 11, 2011, 03:44:06 PM »
Ratio of points allowed by defense per points scored by the offense?  :dunno:
ah yes the ratio of DE/OE, the best statistic to determining win % against an average team and the basis (along with tempo) to predicting the likely hood of victory and the final score against a specific team as well.

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Re: the most important defensive statistic...
« Reply #30 on: July 11, 2011, 03:49:24 PM »
I pointed out the most important defensive statistic last year it is: points allowed per play (adjusted for strength of schedule).

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That would be a great statistic for the NCAA to track.  Assuming 65 by the opposition per game the 2010 defense was just a FG worse than the 2009 defense. 

NT (2010)  = 65.4
NU (2010)  = 70.7
NU (2007)  = 68.4
TT  (2009)  = 66.0

Reg Season total raw DE

2010 = 30.7
2009 = 27.7
2008 = 34.8
2007 = 31.6
2006 = 27.0
DE is points given up in 75 offensive plays, so yep your analysis is spot on.

this is the stat that should be kept by the NCAA.  Extrapolate it over the avg. number of plays offenses get per game over a season to make more of an apples to apples.  Our ppg is actually better, I would guess, because we hold the ball longer and allower fewer snaps than the opposition though that is probably a staple of better teams as well. 

I split the difference between the '09 and '10 seasons with roughly 65 snaps per by opposing offenses...that is how I arrived at a FG difference.  I think it was 757 snaps in 12 games in 2009 and 907 snaps in 13 games in 2010.
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« Reply #31 on: July 11, 2011, 04:00:22 PM »
eff it break out the Chingdex already.

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Re: the most important defensive statistic...
« Reply #32 on: July 11, 2011, 04:28:25 PM »
I pointed out the most important defensive statistic last year it is: points allowed per play (adjusted for strength of schedule).

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That would be a great statistic for the NCAA to track.  Assuming 65 by the opposition per game the 2010 defense was just a FG worse than the 2009 defense. 

NT (2010)  = 65.4
NU (2010)  = 70.7
NU (2007)  = 68.4
TT  (2009)  = 66.0

Reg Season total raw DE

2010 = 30.7
2009 = 27.7
2008 = 34.8
2007 = 31.6
2006 = 27.0
DE is points given up in 75 offensive plays, so yep your analysis is spot on.

this is the stat that should be kept by the NCAA.  Extrapolate it over the avg. number of plays offenses get per game over a season to make more of an apples to apples.  Our ppg is actually better, I would guess, because we hold the ball longer and allower fewer snaps than the opposition though that is probably a staple of better teams as well. 

I split the difference between the '09 and '10 seasons with roughly 65 snaps per by opposing offenses...that is how I arrived at a FG difference.  I think it was 757 snaps in 12 games in 2009 and 907 snaps in 13 games in 2010.
I  think my DE stat (and OE as well) is the proper metric since it does take into account tempo (hence a per play stat, which is fair to compare year to year imo).   The raw numbers are calculated as you mentioned (I think). I take the total number of points scored (over the course of the season) and divide it by the number of offensive plays (over the course of the season).  I then multiply by 75 to simply make a more familiar number (75 being about the avg number of offensive plays).   

Example:
Team A lets its opponent average 40 plays a game, and they give up a TD+xp on 4 (10%) of them [28 pts]
Team B lets its opponent average 80 plays a game, and they give up a TD+xp on 6 (7.5%) [42 pts]

On first glance most people would say the first team is a better defense based on the lower number of points allowed.
The first team actually has an objectively worse defense, but they play a slower tempo.

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Re: the most important defensive statistic...
« Reply #33 on: July 12, 2011, 11:20:37 AM »
Curious to see the top scoring D teams for the same years...Manhatter?

scoring defense '99
1 Virginia Tech 10.5
2 Marshall 11.2
3 Nebraska 12.5
4 Kansas St. 13.1
5 Wisconsin 13.2

scoring defense '00
1 TCU  9.6
2 Florida St. 10.3
3 Toledo  11.4
4 Western Mich.  11.6
5 Miami (Fla.) 15.5


scoring defense '01
1 Miami (Fla.) 9.4
2 Virginia Tech 13.4
3 Texas 13.7
4 Oklahoma  13.8 
5 Florida 14.1


scoring defense '02
1 Kansas St. 11.8
2 Ohio St. 13.1
3 North Texas 192 14.8
4 Georgia  15.1
5 Alabama 15.4

scoring defense '03
1 LSU 11.0
2 Nebraska 14.5
3 Georgia 14.5 
4 Miami (Fla.) 15.1 
5 Oklahoma 15.3

scoring defense '04
1 Auburn 11.3
2 Virginia Tech 12.8
3 Southern California 13.0
4 Florida St. 14.1
5 Penn St.  15.3

scoring defense '05
1 Alabama 10.7
2 Virginia Tech 12.9
3 LSU 14.2
4 Miami (Fla.) 14.3
5 Ohio St. 15.3

scoring defense '06
1 Virginia Tech 11.0
2 Wisconsin  12.1
3 TCU  12.3
4 LSU 12.6
5 Ohio St. 12.8

scoring defense '07
1 Ohio St. 12.8 
2 Southern California 16.0
3 Virginia Tech 16.1
4 Kansas 16.4
5 Utah 16.8

scoring defense '08
1 Southern California 9.00 
2 TCU 11.31
3 Boise St. 12.62
4 Florida 12.93
5 Iowa 13.00

scoring defense '09
1 Nebraska 10.43
2 Alabama 11.71
3 Penn St. 12.23
4 Florida 12.43
5 Ohio St. 12.54

scoring defense '10
1 TCU 12.00
2 Boise St. 12.77
3 Alabama 13.54
3 West Virginia 13.54
5 Ohio St. 14.31


Thanks for this...

USC '08....9 PPG is pretty amazing, although if I recall correctly that was a down year in the PAC 10. Still, typically a conference with some offenses that can score.

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Re: the most important defensive statistic...
« Reply #34 on: July 12, 2011, 11:51:29 AM »
the following may be the strongest case for why pass efficiency defense is more important than rushing defense.

over the last 12 years of college football (1999-2010)...

The #1 pass efficiency defense was also in the top 5 in scoring defense 9 of the 12 years. In addition to that, in 4 of those 12 years the #1 pass efficiency defense was also the #1 scoring defense.

The #1 rushing defense was in the top 5 of scoring defenses ONLY 3 times.  The #1 rushing defense was NOT the #1 scoring defense in any of the 12 years.

I would say that is very influential evidence.
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Academic schools are synonymous for being rich, powerful and exclusive, three things Kansas State is not.

So when people throw the word "academics" around, that's really what they are referencing.