Anyone else listening to 810 right now?

[Dugout DickStone]

They are trashing him.

[OregonSmock]

Anyone know how many lottery picks K-State and Mizzou have produced over the past couple years?


 

[steve dave]

Anyone know how many lottery picks K-State and Mizzou have produced over the past couple years?


 

now compare it to tourney wins and let's see who's the best coach

[OregonSmock]

Anyone know how many lottery picks K-State and Mizzou have produced over the past couple years?


 

now compare it to tourney wins and let's see who's the best coach

 


Are you saying Frank Martin is a better coach than Bill Self? 

[steve dave]

Anyone know how many lottery picks K-State and Mizzou have produced over the past couple years?


 

now compare it to tourney wins and let's see who's the best coach

 


Are you saying Frank Martin is a better coach than Bill Self? 

we're going to have to see the last couple of year's worth of data to be sure.

[OregonSmock]

Anyone know how many lottery picks K-State and Mizzou have produced over the past couple years?


 

now compare it to tourney wins and let's see who's the best coach

 


Are you saying Frank Martin is a better coach than Bill Self? 

we're going to have to see the last couple of year's worth of data to be sure.

Wow.

[FHSU92]

Anyone know how many lottery picks K-State and Mizzou have produced over the past couple years?


 

now compare it to tourney wins and let's see who's the best coach

 


Are you saying Frank Martin is a better coach than Bill Self? 

we're going to have to see the last couple of year's worth of data to be sure.

Didn't it take seff 10 yrs to get to his first E8?  pitiful compared to Martin's standards

[OregonSmock]

Anyone know how many lottery picks K-State and Mizzou have produced over the past couple years?


 

now compare it to tourney wins and let's see who's the best coach

 


Are you saying Frank Martin is a better coach than Bill Self? 

we're going to have to see the last couple of year's worth of data to be sure.

Didn't it take seff 10 yrs to get to his first E8?  pitiful compared to Martin's standards

Self started coaching at Oral Roberts in '93-94 and took Tulsa to their first ever Elite Eight in '00. 



 

[Tobias]

is tulsa 5a or 6a?

[FHSU92]

is tulsa 5a or 6a?

LOL at self not being good enough to start at a real school

When did CStew play at Broken Arrow?  His hs team may have played against seff's team, right?  Stew's team prolly won since didn't even go to the NIT for his first 5 yrs. 

I wonder if Martin asks seff how hard it was not to get to any TornAments his first 5 yrs...and then chuckles a bit.

[pike]

Anyone know how many lottery picks K-State and Mizzou have produced over the past couple years?


 

now compare it to tourney wins and let's see who's the best coach

 


Are you saying Frank Martin is a better coach than Bill Self? 

we're going to have to see the last couple of year's worth of data to be sure.

Didn't it take seff 10 yrs to get to his first E8?  pitiful compared to Martin's standards

Self started coaching at Oral Roberts in '93-94 and took Tulsa to their first ever Elite Eight in '00. 



 

So it took 7 years.

Frank > Bill

Game. Set. Match

[Tobias]

smack thwarted

[OregonSmock]

goCOMPLETELYDELUSIONAL.com

[pike]

goCOMPLETELYDELUSIONAL.com

I don't get it. I'm using your logic 

[ChiComCat]

Martin has never underperformed his seed in an NCAA tournament.  He probably has a glass of wine once a month, has a conference call with a couple other big 12 coaches, and they all lol @ Self's shitty pase

[bakerman]

Anyone know how many lottery picks K-State and Mizzou have produced over the past couple years?


 

now compare it to tourney wins and let's see who's the best coach

 


Are you saying Frank Martin is a better coach than Bill Self? 

Not a fair comparo as they are two completely different coaches.

Martin came into a struggling program, albeit he did inherit Beasley and Walker for one year, but mostly takes lower rated recruits and gets them to preform at a higher level than expected.

Self inherits a program set with rich tradition and all sorts of built in mechanics to ensure success no matter what. Could sit back in a lazy boy all off-season and still pull in 5*'s(if he would accept the new way of basketball and not try to trash them to get them to stay longer than a year or two) but somehow manages to take all that talent into the tourney as a top 3 seed every year  and get knocked out by a mid-major(what 4 times now?)

Don't confuse the ease of Seff's coaching spot with him being a great coach.

[Cire]

I think his system sucks and is mid majory, I don't think anyone else under utilizes talent and athleticism the way seff does year to year

[skycat]

goCOMPLETELYDELUSIONAL.com

LOL at Ben. Classic projection. Seff is a god, and having rosters full of 5-star players doesn't have anything to do with KU's success.

Squawk fans continually delude themselves. "Those guys will suck after Huggy leaves." "They'll suck after Beasley and Walker leave." "They'll suck after Clemente leaves." "They'll suck after Pullen leaves." They can't bring themselves to believe that the primary driver of our success is Frank Martin. They don't want to believe this, because it means K-State will continue to be good, and it means Frank Martin is able to get more out of 3-star players than Seff can get out of 5-star players. Deep down they know this, which is why they were so excited when they thought Martin might be leaving for Miami.

Squawk fans keep drinking the crimson and blue kool-aid, having forgotten that Seff was inches away from losing to Davidson. What if they had to add Davidson to the list that includes Bucknell, Bradley, UNI, and VCU? Or what if Chalmers hadn't hit that buzzer beater? Twice in that tournament Bill Self was seconds away from being a loser, and twice he was saved. That National Championship bought him lots of goodwill, but some of the more rational fans are realizing that that was a fluke and that flaming out to mid-majors is more the norm with Seff. A KU grad friend of mine finally got fed up and gave away his KU gear after the VCU embarrassment. Now Seff is even having trouble recruiting, something that should be automatic at KU. The elite prospects have finally wised up. Why play for a coach who habitually chokes in the NCAAs? Not to mention kills your NBA draft stock? Josh Selby knows all too well.

[Dugout DickStone]

goCOMPLETELYDELUSIONAL.com

LOL at Ben. Classic projection. Seff is a god, and having rosters full of 5-star players doesn't have anything to do with KU's success.

Squawk fans continually delude themselves. "Those guys will suck after Huggy leaves." "They'll suck after Beasley and Walker leave." "They'll suck after Clemente leaves." "They'll suck after Pullen leaves." They can't bring themselves to believe that the primary driver of our success is Frank Martin. They don't want to believe this, because it means K-State will continue to be good, and it means Frank Martin is able to get more out of 3-star players than Seff can get out of 5-star players. Deep down they know this, which is why they were so excited when they thought Martin might be leaving for Miami.

Squawk fans keep drinking the crimson and blue kool-aid, having forgotten that Seff was inches away from losing to Davidson. What if they had to add Davidson to the list that includes Bucknell, Bradley, UNI, and VCU? Or what if Chalmers hadn't hit that buzzer beater? Twice in that tournament Bill Self was seconds away from being a loser, and twice he was saved. That National Championship bought him lots of goodwill, but some of the more rational fans are realizing that that was a fluke and that flaming out to mid-majors is more the norm with Seff. A KU grad friend of mine finally got fed up and gave away his KU gear after the VCU embarrassment. Now Seff is even having trouble recruiting, something that should be automatic at KU. The elite prospects have finally wised up. Why play for a coach who habitually chokes in the NCAAs? Not to mention kills your NBA draft stock? Josh Selby knows all too well.

 

[bakerman]

goCOMPLETELYDELUSIONAL.com

LOL at Ben. Classic projection. Seff is a god, and having rosters full of 5-star players doesn't have anything to do with KU's success.

Squawk fans continually delude themselves. "Those guys will suck after Huggy leaves." "They'll suck after Beasley and Walker leave." "They'll suck after Clemente leaves." "They'll suck after Pullen leaves." They can't bring themselves to believe that the primary driver of our success is Frank Martin. They don't want to believe this, because it means K-State will continue to be good, and it means Frank Martin is able to get more out of 3-star players than Seff can get out of 5-star players. Deep down they know this, which is why they were so excited when they thought Martin might be leaving for Miami.

Squawk fans keep drinking the crimson and blue kool-aid, having forgotten that Seff was inches away from losing to Davidson. What if they had to add Davidson to the list that includes Bucknell, Bradley, UNI, and VCU? Or what if Chalmers hadn't hit that buzzer beater? Twice in that tournament Bill Self was seconds away from being a loser, and twice he was saved. That National Championship bought him lots of goodwill, but some of the more rational fans are realizing that that was a fluke and that flaming out to mid-majors is more the norm with Seff. A KU grad friend of mine finally got fed up and gave away his KU gear after the VCU embarrassment. Now Seff is even having trouble recruiting, something that should be automatic at KU. The elite prospects have finally wised up. Why play for a coach who habitually chokes in the NCAAs? Not to mention kills your NBA draft stock? Josh Selby knows all too well.

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[skycat]

goCOMPLETELYDELUSIONAL.com

LOL at Ben. Classic projection. Seff is a god, and having rosters full of 5-star players doesn't have anything to do with KU's success.

Squawk fans continually delude themselves. "Those guys will suck after Huggy leaves." "They'll suck after Beasley and Walker leave." "They'll suck after Clemente leaves." "They'll suck after Pullen leaves." They can't bring themselves to believe that the primary driver of our success is Frank Martin. They don't want to believe this, because it means K-State will continue to be good, and it means Frank Martin is able to get more out of 3-star players than Seff can get out of 5-star players. Deep down they know this, which is why they were so excited when they thought Martin might be leaving for Miami.

Squawk fans keep drinking the crimson and blue kool-aid, having forgotten that Seff was inches away from losing to Davidson. What if they had to add Davidson to the list that includes Bucknell, Bradley, UNI, and VCU? Or what if Chalmers hadn't hit that buzzer beater? Twice in that tournament Bill Self was seconds away from being a loser, and twice he was saved. That National Championship bought him lots of goodwill, but some of the more rational fans are realizing that that was a fluke and that flaming out to mid-majors is more the norm with Seff. A KU grad friend of mine finally got fed up and gave away his KU gear after the VCU embarrassment. Now Seff is even having trouble recruiting, something that should be automatic at KU. The elite prospects have finally wised up. Why play for a coach who habitually chokes in the NCAAs? Not to mention kills your NBA draft stock? Josh Selby knows all too well.

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Your confused face confuses me. You said pretty much the same thing a few posts up.

[bakerman]

just wanted to do Ben's post for him.

[OregonSmock]

Anyone know how many lottery picks K-State and Mizzou have produced over the past couple years?


 

now compare it to tourney wins and let's see who's the best coach

 


Are you saying Frank Martin is a better coach than Bill Self? 

Not a fair comparo as they are two completely different coaches.

Martin came into a struggling program, albeit he did inherit Beasley and Walker for one year, but mostly takes lower rated recruits and gets them to preform at a higher level than expected.

Self inherits a program set with rich tradition and all sorts of built in mechanics to ensure success no matter what. Could sit back in a lazy boy all off-season and still pull in 5*'s(if he would accept the new way of basketball and not try to trash them to get them to stay longer than a year or two) but somehow manages to take all that talent into the tourney as a top 3 seed every year  and get knocked out by a mid-major(what 4 times now?)

Don't confuse the ease of Seff's coaching spot with him being a great coach.

Self led Tulsa to a 32-5 record and an Elite Eight.  Also, thanks for admitting that KU's program puts K-State's to shame.

[OregonSmock]

I think his system sucks and is mid majory, I don't think anyone else under utilizes talent and athleticism the way seff does year to year

Yeah, his system sucks and he doesn't utilize his talent... that's why he has seven straight conference titles, a national championship, and the most wins of any program over the past five years. 

[pike]

I think his system sucks and is mid majory, I don't think anyone else under utilizes talent and athleticism the way seff does year to year

Yeah, his system sucks and he doesn't utilize his talent... that's why he has seven straight conference titles, a national championship, and the most wins of any program over the past five years. 

So you support Massa throwing his players under the bus for personal gain? Disgusting.