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6th most profitable Athletic Department...
« on: June 16, 2011, 01:08:36 PM »
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/2011-06-15-athletic-departments-increase-money_n.htm

Here is the top 10 in profit margin for athletic dept operations:
1.) Oregon - 34.96% :eek:
2.) Alabama - 21.19%
3.) Penn State - 17.42%
4.) Oklahoma State - 16.48%
5.) Michigan - 16.42%
6.) K-State 15.66%
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7.) Iowa - 15.61%
8.) Oklahoma - 11%
9.) Georgia - 10.73%
10.) Texas - 9.14%

This is pretty incredible...but I'm pretty sure the only reason we're on this list is because we don't offer a lot of the non-$ generating sports (e.g. men's tennis, soccer, etc...).


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Re: 6th most profitable Athletic Department...
« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2011, 01:10:12 PM »
Edit your OP to delete that last part so we can still  :emawkid: about this and throw it in everybody else's face.
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Re: 6th most profitable Athletic Department...
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2011, 01:13:31 PM »
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« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2011, 01:13:51 PM »
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/2011-06-15-athletic-departments-increase-money_n.htm

Here is the top 10 in profit margin for athletic dept operations:
1.) Oregon - 34.96% :eek:
2.) Alabama - 21.19%
3.) Penn State - 17.42%
4.) Oklahoma State - 16.48%
5.) Michigan - 16.42%
6.) K-State 15.66%
:kstategrad:
7.) Iowa - 15.61%
8.) Oklahoma - 11%
9.) Georgia - 10.73%
10.) Texas - 9.14%

This is pretty incredible...but I'm pretty sure the only reason we're on this list is because we don't offer a lot of the non-$ generating sports (e.g. men's tennis, soccer, etc...).


You also have to consider that while the profit margin creates a very nice return on investment, we don't spend much on athletics compared to other schools, so we probably aren't anywhere near the top 10 in terms of total gross profit.

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Re: 6th most profitable Athletic Department...
« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2011, 01:26:41 PM »
lotsa heavy hitters on that list.

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Re: 6th most profitable Athletic Department...
« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2011, 01:29:34 PM »
Yawn.

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Re: 6th most profitable Athletic Department...
« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2011, 01:30:32 PM »
I am rough ridin' furious our profit margin is not 0.00%, as it should be.  Not joking.  15% profit is bullshit and smacks of an AD who is looking to make himself look like a good hire for a future Pres some place else.


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Re: 6th most profitable Athletic Department...
« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2011, 01:32:49 PM »
I am effing furious our profit margin is not 0.00%, as it should be.  Not joking.  15% profit is bullcrap and smacks of an AD who is looking to make himself look like a good hire for a future Pres some place else.



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Re: 6th most profitable Athletic Department...
« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2011, 01:34:05 PM »
Are we building a monster?

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Re: 6th most profitable Athletic Department...
« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2011, 01:34:22 PM »
I am rough ridin' furious our profit margin is not 0.00%, as it should be.  Not joking.  15% profit is bullshit and smacks of an AD who is looking to make himself look like a good hire for a future Pres some place else.



Today's profit is tomorrow's practice facility, no?

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Re: 6th most profitable Athletic Department...
« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2011, 01:35:16 PM »
Are we building a monster?

No.

If we were, the profit would be 0% and that 15% would get to 0% through illegal contributions to recruits.


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Re: 6th most profitable Athletic Department...
« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2011, 01:36:33 PM »
I am rough ridin' furious our profit margin is not 0.00%, as it should be.  Not joking.  15% profit is bullshit and smacks of an AD who is looking to make himself look like a good hire for a future Pres some place else.



Today's profit is tomorrow's practice facility, no?

This requires Dax input, but I suspect not...separate funds.

I want every god damn nickle pumped back into this thing.

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« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2011, 01:37:10 PM »
Would like to see this after new pressbox, etc...
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Re: 6th most profitable Athletic Department...
« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2011, 01:46:35 PM »
I am effing furious our profit margin is not 0.00%, as it should be.  Not joking.  15% profit is bullcrap and smacks of an AD who is looking to make himself look like a good hire for a future Pres some place else.



I am leaning toward this line of thinking as well.

This profit smacks of David Glass v. Royals type of stuff, no?

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Re: 6th most profitable Athletic Department...
« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2011, 01:55:18 PM »
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/2011-06-15-athletic-departments-increase-money_n.htm

Here is the top 10 in profit margin for athletic dept operations:
1.) Oregon - 34.96% :eek:
2.) Alabama - 21.19%
3.) Penn State - 17.42%
4.) Oklahoma State - 16.48%
5.) Michigan - 16.42%
6.) K-State 15.66%
:kstategrad:
7.) Iowa - 15.61%
8.) Oklahoma - 11%
9.) Georgia - 10.73%
10.) Texas - 9.14%

This is pretty incredible...but I'm pretty sure the only reason we're on this list is because we don't offer a lot of the non-$ generating sports (e.g. men's tennis, soccer, etc...).


You also have to consider that while the profit margin creates a very nice return on investment, we don't spend much on athletics compared to other schools, so we probably aren't anywhere near the top 10 in terms of total gross profit.

We're 11th in gross profit. That is what the entire USA Today article was about :bang: Now when it comes to total revenue, yeah, we're probably way down there.

You can't seriously tell me that recruits and their parents don't care about this stuff. If I was a recruit looking at schools and one school spent all their athletic revenue on rims and shiny things for the players and fans while the other school saved the hard earned money the players earned for them and put it into a rainy day fund to someday pay for backdoor super secret napkin coaching contracts...well, I think the choice is pretty obvious. 

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Re: 6th most profitable Athletic Department...
« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2011, 01:59:36 PM »
Waiting for my disbursement...

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Re: 6th most profitable Athletic Department...
« Reply #16 on: June 16, 2011, 02:09:04 PM »
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/2011-06-15-athletic-departments-increase-money_n.htm

Here is the top 10 in profit margin for athletic dept operations:
1.) Oregon - 34.96% :eek:
2.) Alabama - 21.19%
3.) Penn State - 17.42%
4.) Oklahoma State - 16.48%
5.) Michigan - 16.42%
6.) K-State 15.66%
:kstategrad:
7.) Iowa - 15.61%
8.) Oklahoma - 11%
9.) Georgia - 10.73%
10.) Texas - 9.14%

This is pretty incredible...but I'm pretty sure the only reason we're on this list is because we don't offer a lot of the non-$ generating sports (e.g. men's tennis, soccer, etc...).


You also have to consider that while the profit margin creates a very nice return on investment, we don't spend much on athletics compared to other schools, so we probably aren't anywhere near the top 10 in terms of total gross profit.

We're 11th in gross profit. That is what the entire USA Today article was about :bang: Now when it comes to total revenue, yeah, we're probably way down there.

You can't seriously tell me that recruits and their parents don't care about this stuff. If I was a recruit looking at schools and one school spent all their athletic revenue on rims and shiny things for the players and fans while the other school saved the hard earned money the players earned for them and put it into a rainy day fund to someday pay for backdoor super secret napkin coaching contracts...well, I think the choice is pretty obvious. 


That is surprising. I guess I should have read the article. I also don't believe that the average recruit views a high profit margin as a bad thing. It's not like we're sitting up at the top of the list next to Indiana, Wake Forest, and Iowa State. I have no problem with turning a large profit as long as we are making improvements to facilities.

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Re: 6th most profitable Athletic Department...
« Reply #17 on: June 16, 2011, 02:17:43 PM »
This is pretty incredible...but I'm pretty sure the only reason we're on this list is because we don't offer a lot of the non-$ generating sports (e.g. men's tennis, soccer, etc...).


That's because we're not stupid and don't want to funnel money into sports no one watches to win awards (i.e. Capital One Cup) that no one cares about.

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« Reply #18 on: June 16, 2011, 02:37:28 PM »
This is pretty incredible...but I'm pretty sure the only reason we're on this list is because we don't offer a lot of the non-$ generating sports (e.g. men's tennis, soccer, etc...).


That's because we're not stupid and don't want to funnel money into sports no one watches to win awards (i.e. Capital One Cup) that no one cares about.

It's the sort of thing that Husker fans would love to hold over everyone elses' heads.

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Re: 6th most profitable Athletic Department...
« Reply #19 on: June 16, 2011, 03:57:52 PM »
kutuckville now coming to grips with the reality that different athletic departments do their books differently.   But I digress.

While the new regime at K-State is more forthcoming and certainly communicates a lot more than the past regimes, they still play things pretty close to vest.

Here's all I've been able to pick up by trying to follow what's said.   Whenever possible net revenues are plowed back into things like facilities.   For example last year net revenues (which includes Ahearn funding giving, which was a record $14 plus million in cash last year, and another million in gifts in kind) bought all new furnishings, carpet and fixtures for Vanier as well as allowed for improvements to the suite/club level in the football stadium, and got a whole new timing/scoring system for the scoreboards in Bramlage.  

Unless CC says otherwise, I didn't hear that anyone in particular wrote a check to pay for the turf, so I would think that bill gets paid out of net revenues.   I don't think the entire cost of the Basketball Training Facility is being paid for with specific donations for that facility, some of it will be paid for with net revenues from athletic operations and general Ahearn Fund giving.  (this is not at all uncommon for large capital projects to need money from general revenues or outside funding to finish. Most of kutuckville for example doesn't know that Lew borrowed $6 million dollars to finish their football complex, and borrowed another $30 plus million to finish AFH).   

Somebody mentioned elsewhere that the weightroom in Vanier was getting yet another makeover, but I haven't seen anyone else mention it, maybe CC can enlighten us.

What these net revenue numbers also mean is that there is likely (you can't predict the future) room to cover the cost of future bonding.


















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Re: 6th most profitable Athletic Department...
« Reply #20 on: June 16, 2011, 04:12:46 PM »
With that kind of money they should have no problem giving some coin to goEMAW BBBS.

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Re: 6th most profitable Athletic Department...
« Reply #21 on: June 16, 2011, 05:24:36 PM »
I am effing furious our profit margin is not 0.00%, as it should be.  Not joking.  15% profit is bullcrap and smacks of an AD who is looking to make himself look like a good hire for a future Pres some place else.



Today's profit is tomorrow's practice facility, no?

To offer a different possibility, I know that there has been a push within the AthDept over the last few years to endow as many annual expenses as possible.  It could be that some of the "profit" was used to establish endowment funds for scholarships or something.  I think I read once that it takes about $500,000 to endow a $20,000 scholarship.  A "profit" of $7 million could mean that 14 scholarships were endowed?  I think that K-State offers somewhere around 220 scholarships, so there is still a lot of work to do in this area.  In addition, I think that they  are wanting to endow coaching salaries; it seems like the Vaniers gave some money a few years ago to partially endow the head football coach salary.  And with the way salaries keep going up, the amount of money needed in the endowment would have to keep going up as well.  Would it show up as an expense if they used  some money to establish an endowment fund for a scholarship?

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« Reply #22 on: June 16, 2011, 05:49:09 PM »
I doubt if the athletic department is using revenue money for endowments.   That money would transferred over to the Foundation.   They're looking for individuals to fund athletic endowments.   

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« Reply #23 on: June 16, 2011, 06:06:06 PM »
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« Reply #24 on: June 16, 2011, 06:12:02 PM »
59-7 really mumped up your head, didn't it?