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« on: May 25, 2011, 11:20:02 AM »


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Re: kc star
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2011, 11:42:24 AM »
what???? a propper role for big government????

my favorite thing about all of the tax discussion and budget cuts is the notion that we need to get back to what made America Great!!!

while the fact of the matter is what helped to make America Great were huge government projects and higher taxes.  our grandparents were taxed at a much higher bracket and that money was used to build roads, bridges, public schools, and a war fighting machine that helped defeat the Axis powers.  that is what led to the america we enjoy today.

but today those ideas are socialist and evil, to raise taxes is un-american and will kill our nation...   :bang:

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« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2011, 11:55:35 AM »
what???? a propper role for big government????

my favorite thing about all of the tax discussion and budget cuts is the notion that we need to get back to what made America Great!!!

while the fact of the matter is what helped to make America Great were huge government projects and higher taxes.  our grandparents were taxed at a much higher bracket and that money was used to build roads, bridges, public schools, and a war fighting machine that helped defeat the Axis powers.  that is what led to the america we enjoy today.

but today those ideas are socialist and evil, to raise taxes is un-american and will kill our nation...   :bang:

We've got wars and other overseas expenditures to worry about before we can waste money on people who won't even pay taxes this year.

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« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2011, 12:30:42 PM »
While the income taxes were higher, other taxes were not as high or non-existent.  Basically paying the same now I'd think.

Only one way to really fuel money into the treasury:  sell off a lot of the vast tracts of land in the west.

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« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2011, 12:57:21 PM »
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oday, Americans have the lightest total tax burden they’ve had since 1958.l


but but....lowering taxes means more prosperity for our nation!

More jobs...'n stuff....but less government help when something like this happens.

Remember....there is no such thing as a govt handout if you keep lowering taxes to the point the govt has no money........isn't that correct right wingers?


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« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2011, 01:00:41 PM »
or wait...you want it both ways..


you want lower and lower taxes....

but more military

more relief funding

updated infrastructure

good schools

qualified police


etc..

you know, stuff that "other people" take care of while you pay the lowest tax rate in 50+ years.

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« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2011, 01:09:12 PM »
give your boss a big big tax break...and I bet you he gives you the raise you deserve, any day now...............or they'll hire more staff. right?

how 'bout less vacation to prove your worth as an employee? We already lead the world in fewest days off..and on those days...I bet you still check your phone to make sure you weren't fired while you were away. but it happens.


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« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2011, 04:02:07 PM »


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That’s a line for every year from 1913 onward, sized and colored by the tax burden: the amount of tax due relative to the long-term average at each income level. Above-average burdens appear thick and red and below-average thin and blue. We adjusted everything for inflation to ensure an apples-to-apples comparison, with the caveat that the effects of Social Security, Medicare, and other taxes are not included.

http://www.datapointed.net/2011/03/relative-us-income-taxes-1913-2011/

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« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2011, 04:25:06 PM »
We should tax the rich 100% of their income.  That would get us at least three months of the current government actually spends.  Maybe we should tax everyone 100%, that should cover at least five months of what the current government actually spends.  We could take all the rich's assets as well.  That might cover a years worth of spending.

I'll agree to raising taxes when you tards agree to cut spending in half.

No worries though.  The Obama Administration and the Fed are printing money.  That has always worked just wonderful in history.  Just another socialist idea that has NEVER worked.  Get ready for some inflation.
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« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2011, 05:38:44 PM »
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Here’s the big picture: If the United States is to the point at which helping disaster victims means cutting other needed programs, it’s time to rethink the way we’re running this country




Well no rough ridin' crap...

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Re: kc star
« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2011, 05:43:24 PM »
or wait...you want it both ways..


you want lower and lower taxes....

but more military

more relief funding

updated infrastructure

good schools

qualified police


etc..

you know, stuff that "other people" take care of while you pay the lowest tax rate in 50+ years.

This is always funny that the racist Tea Party and such can't understand this.

However, I would favor massive spending cuts on "defense", privatized education, and eff the police.

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« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2011, 06:09:51 PM »
We should tax the rich 100% of their income.  That would get us at least three months of the current government actually spends.  Maybe we should tax everyone 100%, that should cover at least five months of what the current government actually spends.  We could take all the rich's assets as well.  That might cover a years worth of spending.

I'll agree to raising taxes when you tards agree to cut spending in half.

No worries though.  The Obama Administration and the Fed are printing money.  That has always worked just wonderful in history.  Just another socialist idea that has NEVER worked.  Get ready for some inflation.

idiot ass sarcasm. Pretty spot on with your average good ol' boy Tea Party angry white guy schtick.

but seriously, its proven the wealthiest Americans..and I"m not saying people who make six figures...but insanely rich people making 1 million per year.... pay less now in tax burden than they have since the 1930's.

but, you CAN"T RAISE THEM..because that means communist socialist leanings and we dont' want that. That would damage our economy. (P.S. Look the eff around you buddy)

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Re: kc star
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2011, 06:22:38 PM »
or wait...you want it both ways..


you want lower and lower taxes....

but more military

more relief funding

updated infrastructure

good schools

qualified police


etc..

you know, stuff that "other people" take care of while you pay the lowest tax rate in 50+ years.

This is always funny that the racist Tea Party and such can't understand this.

However, I would favor massive spending cuts on "defense", privatized education, and eff the police.

Yeah, that's kind of where I am, except I don't believe privatizing education is a good idea.

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« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2011, 06:24:59 PM »
We should tax the rich 100% of their income.  That would get us at least three months of the current government actually spends.  Maybe we should tax everyone 100%, that should cover at least five months of what the current government actually spends.  We could take all the rich's assets as well.  That might cover a years worth of spending.

I'll agree to raising taxes when you tards agree to cut spending in half.

No worries though.  The Obama Administration and the Fed are printing money.  That has always worked just wonderful in history.  Just another socialist idea that has NEVER worked.  Get ready for some inflation.

idiot ass sarcasm. Pretty spot on with your average good ol' boy Tea Party angry white guy schtick.

but seriously, its proven the wealthiest Americans..and I"m not saying people who make six figures...but insanely rich people making 1 million per year.... pay less now in tax burden than they have since the 1930's.

but, you CAN"T RAISE THEM..because that means communist socialist leanings and we dont' want that. That would damage our economy. (P.S. Look the eff around you buddy)

You can raise them, but there would be less capital in the economy and still wouldn't solve the budget/debt issue.  And it wouldn't even come close to solving the upcomming inflation due to over spending, falling debt rating and the world trying to come off the dollar standard.  This debt has disaster written all over it.  You can raise taxes, but you still have to cut spending in half to overcome these issues.

Raising taxes on the super rich won't get you anywhere when you are talking Trillions in shortfall every year.
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Re: kc star
« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2011, 06:26:44 PM »
I'm for cutting spending...and raising taxes.

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Re: kc star
« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2011, 10:27:21 PM »
Mods, please merge this thread with the "Silly things Libs say/do" thread

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« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2011, 02:02:29 AM »
Claiming that the tax burden is historically low is a little dishonest, and using it, and recent natural disasters as a rallying cry is just plain wrong.  Dividing overall tax revenue by overall income gives you "tax burden," but doesn't take into acount how or why it occurred.  The reason that the tax burden went down was because of the recession, not because of any tax cuts enacted, or tax laws passed.  The other times that the tax burden went down similarly (though not as much) were in the early 1980's recession, when all the internet companies went down in 1999-2000 and now. 

It is pretty stupid for them to even include that in the article, especially when if you include the extra burden that the current budget deficits are placing on taxpayers. 

I agree with the notion that we need to rethink how our country is ran when in times of real peril it seems like money for help will be hard to come by.  It has to do with where we are spending the money we have rather than the fact that we don't have any.
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« Reply #17 on: May 26, 2011, 02:40:28 AM »
Might help if we spent less money helping other countries out.  Sounds kinda callous but you can't really give your buddy money when you're over your head in debt.

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« Reply #18 on: May 26, 2011, 03:29:51 AM »
Might help if we spent less money helping other countries out.  Sounds kinda callous but you can't really give your buddy money when you're over your head in debt.

Which brings us to the unending conundrum.  It's more taxes and less spending on foreign wars, or less taxes and keep spending on foreign wars.  When the better solution is probably to spend our money at home and keep taxes low.
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« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2011, 10:51:26 AM »
Maybe we should just decapitate all politicians like in the French revolution

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« Reply #20 on: May 26, 2011, 02:16:59 PM »
cut their rough ridin' heads off  :party:

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Re: kc star
« Reply #21 on: May 27, 2011, 01:20:45 PM »
what???? a propper role for big government????

my favorite thing about all of the tax discussion and budget cuts is the notion that we need to get back to what made America Great!!!

while the fact of the matter is what helped to make America Great were huge government projects and higher taxes.  our grandparents were taxed at a much higher bracket and that money was used to build roads, bridges, public schools, and a war fighting machine that helped defeat the Axis powers.  that is what led to the america we enjoy today.

but today those ideas are socialist and evil, to raise taxes is un-american and will kill our nation...   :bang:

Mods, please move to the Silly things libs say/do thread.

LickNecky, pls try and focus your rants, this is impossible to follow and makes you look angry.  I can't tell if you think 'merica is great because of public roadways or its victory in WW2, or both, but none of that has anything to do with rebuilding a town knocked over by a tornado.

If you honestly think what makes America Great is huge government projects, then you are a full blown Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) that can't even begin to understand what a government is or how it is made.  If you think the proper role of the federal government is bridges, roads and public schools, you need to go back to tenth grade and try civics class again.

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Re: kc star
« Reply #22 on: May 27, 2011, 06:52:23 PM »
Maybe we should just decapitate all politicians like in the French revolution

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Re: kc star
« Reply #23 on: May 31, 2011, 12:46:33 AM »
There are two things we could enact immediately (at least in political time) that could help make serious headway into clearing the deficit: moderately increasing taxes on the wealthiest tax bracket and drastically reducing military spending.

The Bush era tax cuts were a really great political tool, but it's gotten our economy nowhere.  We have to raise taxes; there's no way around it.  In the meantime, while the economy is hurting, I'm okay with Obama's plan to keep the Bush cuts for the middle and lower classes.  However, I do not agree with him that it should be permanent.  I think it needs to be reevaluated periodically to make sure that we're meeting our obligations of paying off the nation's debt.  But for the wealthiest folks in the country...screw it.  Capitalism was good to you.  Do your patriotic duty and throw a few bucks back to the country that allowed you to live in a $400K home and drive an Audi.  It's the least you can do.

As far as the military spending goes, it's time to start hacking away.  I felt every bit as safe when Bill Clinton was spending $400 billion a year as I am with Obama spending $700 billion.  In fact, I felt more safe because our economic state was much stronger.  I don't care how they do it, but that thing needs to get cut nearly in half.  I refuse to listen to either party's BS plan until someone starts taking a chainsaw to the defense budget.  Spending over $500 billion a year is beyond asinine.  I bet if we really tried, we could get it to under $400 billion.  I just doubt any politician has the guts to tell that to a nation full of country-music inspired pseudo-patriots.

As far as entitlements go, social security is the easier of the two to tackle.  That's like saying Walter Payton was easier to tackle than Barry Sanders, but it really is.  You're just going to have to continue to raise the age where you can start taking benefits, and you're going to have to raise the cap on how much you take out of earnings.  It sucks, but it is what it is if we want to keep it.

Medicare is a whole other mess.  You can't solve this problem until you tackle the cost of health care in general.  Medicare is expensive because health care is expensive.  The entitlement isn't an issue.  Other countries around the world have single payer systems, they enjoy better levels of health, and health care takes up less of their GDP.  Trying to solve Medicare is like trying to cure cancer with a band aid.  You're trying to solve a symptom and not the problem.

Anyway, this thing about the Republicans trying to politicize the Joplin disaster is revolting.  We have real problems here to solve, and unless either of these two worthless parties decides that they'd like to start helping the country and not trying to constantly win elections, we're beyond screwed, and Jopin is just an example of the collateral damage.
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