Don't really know where to put this...

[EMAWmeister]

How is it not? You would have to be completely baised to think its not a better job.

Only bcs level school in a state that doubles the population of Kansas. Who ever coaches K-State will always have to deal with the fact they play second fiddle in a sparcely populated state and has to deal with the KU basketball monster within its own state. Kansas doesn't produce a lot of highschool talent, and the few D-1 players it produces, you're not going to out recruit KU for them. KU will get first pick from whoever they want unless a kid wants to leave the state. K-State has to settle for guys like Spradling (Who KU didn't sniff at), and players of his caliber don't come along often.

Huggins, because of his name was able to go out and recruit a Beasley and Walker to Manhattan. Martin is starting to find out just how difficult it is to recruit there. Missouri is a much better school to recruit too. Mizzou has a brand new state of the art arena with better facilities and they have decent fan support. The Hawktagon of Dumb is a flat out dump. K-State does have good fan support but only when they're winning.

MU has better facilities/arena, better recources, more money, more support, MU is the only king in a much larger state with way more talent and easier to recruit too.

(in regards to missourah vs k-state)

[Saulbadguy]

Why even post this?

[EMAWmeister]

Why even post this?

delusions of squawk nation?  Yeah mizzou has more money and a better state to recruit, but the spradling and facilities comments are just embarassing.

[sonofdaxjones]

Let me guess . . . Tardville?  Home of ku uberbutthurtelite?

[kougar24]

why is the spradling comment embarrassing?

[sonofdaxjones]

Oh and if that was bandwagonville/tardville . . . the only time they support their teams is when they're winning.    I sat and watched ku play hated OU/Billy Tubbs in a half empty Allen Fieldhouse because they weren't winning big under Ted Owens, it took several years for Larry Brown to get the place full again.

They ever hit another rough patch, and AFH will have thousands of empty seats, just like football.

[sys]

you would have to be completely biased to think kstate is as good a job as missouri.

[sonofdaxjones]

you would have to be completely biased to think kstate is as good a job as missouri.

The problem is, I've heard for years how much better Missouri could be/would be than K-State.   Yet, what do they have to show for it over the last 25 years that's all that much better than what K-State has done?  If you go back far enough in that 25 year time frame they have a few Big 8 Basketball titles, for most of that 25 years they haven't done jack crap in football.   They haven't won a conference title or played in a major bowl game in over 40 years, sure, they're pretty good in football right now, but that's all they've ever been at their very best in football . . . pretty good (of course if  you ask the average Tigerboarder you'd think they were Alabama or USC historically).    In basketball they haven't been any farther in the NCAA tourney over that time span than K-State has, in fact they've never been to a Final Four. 

So, when does it finally click for MU??  I'm old (relatively speaking compared to most on this board) and I've been waiting for over 30 years for this so called "sleeping giant" at Missouri to wake up and dominate like all the Moo'ers claim is going to happen some day.   

[Saulbadguy]

I admit it is cute how Kansas likes to hang off Missouri's ball sack.

[sys]

I've been waiting for over 30 years for this so called "sleeping giant" at Missouri to wake up and dominate like all the Moo'ers claim is going to happen some day.   

there's a lot of room between dominant and better than kstate.

[kougar24]

I've been waiting for over 30 years for this so called "sleeping giant" at Missouri to wake up and dominate like all the Moo'ers claim is going to happen some day.   

there's a lot of room between dominant and better than kstate.

Yep, and Mizzou basketball is nowhere between, currently.

Not arguing that by all measurable standards it should be a better job though.

[sonofdaxjones]

there's a lot of room between dominant and better than kstate.

Over the last 2.5 decades where have they really been better than K-State??   Their periods of being "better" are balanced out in some cases surpassed by our periods of being "better".

Is Missouri a better setting than K-State, is there possibly more potential there than at K-State given their demographics . . . absolutely.    But on every other point that particular Bandwagonville member was trying to make, there's very little gap between K-State and Missouri, if UPKS and ADJC pull off their planned facilities improvements. K-State will surpass both ku and mu on that front and one part of those projects is currently under construction right now.  Financially they supposedly have "Wal-Mart" money . . . well that "Wal-Mart" money really only went to 1 ego stroking project.    Their revenue numbers only surpass K-State's revenue numbers by about $2.5 million dollars.  

[PowercatPat]

Mizzou doesn't even have good fan support when they are winning.

[deputy dawg]

Don't see us catching Moo anytime soon in football, even though they spent 12 of the last 18 years behind K-State.

[sys]

Over the last 2.5 decades where have they really been better than K-State??  

in men's bball (only thing that matters), almost all of that 2.5 decades.

but none of that is relevant.  this isn't some "polish the helms' trophs" Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) blueblood debate.  it's a better job because of population, and alum base, and money, and tvs.

they're likely to sign a top 50 kid from some random hs in se missouri that the previous coach recruited for about 6 months of his senior year, then left, and that their new coach will recruit for about 2 weeks.  a coach at kstate doesn't have that kind of gift dropped in his lap and never will.  that's why mu is a better job.

[SleepFighter]

Someone get Doyel in here to explain why EMAW is the better job.

[O-town Kat]

Have been to more bball and fball games vs MU than any other opponent since about '93. AD and fanbase etc seems like it should be better than it is

[FHSU92]

I admit it is cute how Kansas likes to hang off Missouri's ball sack.

Yeah, you'd think given MO is their rival they would try to move further away from Mizzou, yet they want to live as close to MO as they can - some Hawkers even live in that slave state   

[A-Lishious]

there's a lot of room between dominant and better than kstate.

Over the last 2.5 decades where have they really been better than K-State??   Their periods of being "better" are balanced out in some cases surpassed by our periods of being "better".

Is Missouri a better setting than K-State, is there possibly more potential there than at K-State given their demographics . . . absolutely.    But on every other point that particular Bandwagonville member was trying to make, there's very little gap between K-State and Missouri, if UPKS and ADJC pull off their planned facilities improvements. K-State will surpass both ku and mu on that front and one part of those projects is currently under construction right now.  Financially they supposedly have "Wal-Mart" money . . . well that "Wal-Mart" money really only went to 1 ego stroking project.    Their revenue numbers only surpass K-State's revenue numbers by about $2.5 million dollars.  

Dax do you remember that whole Altman through Woolridge era? Yea thats how you make Missoura look good in the last 25 years.

[sonofdaxjones]

Over the last 2.5 decades where have they really been better than K-State??  

in men's bball (only thing that matters), almost all of that 2.5 decades.

but none of that is relevant.  this isn't some "polish the helms' trophs" Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) blueblood debate.  it's a better job because of population, and alum base, and money, and tvs.

they're likely to sign a top 50 kid from some random hs in se missouri that the previous coach recruited for about 6 months of his senior year, then left, and that their new coach will recruit for about 2 weeks.  a coach at kstate doesn't have that kind of gift dropped in his lap and never will.  that's why mu is a better job.

Yeah, they were better in hoops . . . and that's not even close to being the only thing that matters.   Football revenue dwarfs basketball revenue at all but just a handful of schools (look at conference re-alignment, basketball wasn't a factor).   But what did they do when they were "better" in men's hoops, in the grand scheme of things,  not much.   

MU has a negligible advantage because they're the only major conference school in the state, their location is maybe slightly more appealing, but we are talking Mid-Missouri here. 

They've never separated themselves significantly with all their so called advantages, and I doubt they ever will. 

[sonofdaxjones]

there's a lot of room between dominant and better than kstate.

Over the last 2.5 decades where have they really been better than K-State??   Their periods of being "better" are balanced out in some cases surpassed by our periods of being "better".

Is Missouri a better setting than K-State, is there possibly more potential there than at K-State given their demographics . . . absolutely.    But on every other point that particular Bandwagonville member was trying to make, there's very little gap between K-State and Missouri, if UPKS and ADJC pull off their planned facilities improvements. K-State will surpass both ku and mu on that front and one part of those projects is currently under construction right now.  Financially they supposedly have "Wal-Mart" money . . . well that "Wal-Mart" money really only went to 1 ego stroking project.    Their revenue numbers only surpass K-State's revenue numbers by about $2.5 million dollars.  

Dax do you remember that whole Altman through Woolridge era? Yea thats how you make Missoura look good in the last 25 years.

I was talking about the entire athletic program.   In Basketball yeah, they were better, but what does that mean?  They still really didn't do jack crap over that time in the grand scheme of things.   All it took was K-State getting its crap together in basketball and instantly K-State was on an even playing field with them in terms of on court success . . . it didn't take 3-4-5 years, it happened almost over night.   What does that tell you?  Nearly 2 decades of K-State sucking in hoops and in one coaching hire, K-State instantly levels the playing field with MU, which means there wasn't really that much separation to begin with even despite the retards we had coaching in Manhattan.

[TB]

Dax do you remember that whole Altman through Woolridge era? Yea thats how you make Missoura look good in the last 25 years.

Yeah, we remember that era. K-State took almost two decades off and their overall record against Missouri is 117-116.

[WillieWatanabe]

Well, in connection with the thread title.

http://kentuckysportsradio.com/?p=77975


only linking this because 1. i've never seen Goodman talk and 2. he hinted he was working on a Baylor story. Plus it was kind of cool to hear how many shady things he hears.

[mcmwcat]

Well, in connection with the thread title.

http://kentuckysportsradio.com/?p=77975


only linking this because 1. i've never heard Goodman talk and 2. he hinted he was working on a Baylor story. Plus it was kind of cool to hear how many shady things he hears.

illegal rebounding.  wtf is that?

[mcmwcat]

Well, in connection with the thread title.

http://kentuckysportsradio.com/?p=77975


only linking this because 1. i've never seen Goodman talk and 2. he hinted he was working on a Baylor story. Plus it was kind of cool to hear how many shady things he hears.

found link on that page to 2011 recruiting rankings: http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/rankings

Coach Cal has incoming ESPN's #1,3,7,18 recruits.     dude is amazing.