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Re: Between the Lines with BITB
« Reply #525 on: March 10, 2014, 06:53:45 PM »
The best decision for Embiid is the one that he makes.

Of course KU fans want him to return.

Also, I get really tired of the KC-centric nature of both fanbases, but 'tis what 'tis.

KU fans should pat him on the back, thank him for the year, and wish him luck in the league.  Coach Cal gets one and dones because that is what he does.  If KU wants to keep getting elite talent, that is what they should do.

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Re: Between the Lines with BITB
« Reply #526 on: March 10, 2014, 07:00:15 PM »
The best decision for Embiid is the one that he makes.

Of course KU fans want him to return.

Also, I get really tired of the KC-centric nature of both fanbases, but 'tis what 'tis.

KU fans should pat him on the back, thank him for the year, and wish him luck in the league.  Coach Cal gets one and dones because that is what he does.  If KU wants to keep getting elite talent, that is what they should do.

Life is too exhaustive as it is for me to worry about how decisions I am not involved with might be interpreted by fanbases who are not aligned with my alma mater.  In the silver-linings dept., popular opinion is that if Embiid bolts, Myles Turner inks for KU, so it's not all bad.

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Re: Between the Lines with BITB
« Reply #527 on: March 10, 2014, 07:31:00 PM »
The best decision for Embiid is the one that he makes.

Unless he chooses the one that is a terrible decision.

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Re: Between the Lines with BITB
« Reply #528 on: March 10, 2014, 07:38:31 PM »
The best decision for Embiid is the one that he makes.

Unless he chooses the one that is a terrible decision.

There is some type of hubris involved with this mindset that I find regrettable. 

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Re: Between the Lines with BITB
« Reply #529 on: March 11, 2014, 09:24:05 AM »
The best decision for Embiid is the one that he makes.

Unless he chooses the one that is a terrible decision.

There is some type of hubris involved with this mindset that I find regrettable.

Ppl make bad choices for themselves all the time. 

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Re: Between the Lines with BITB
« Reply #530 on: March 11, 2014, 09:37:24 AM »
The best decision for Embiid is the one that he makes.

Unless he chooses the one that is a terrible decision.

There is some type of hubris involved with this mindset that I find regrettable.

Ppl make bad choices for themselves all the time.

No, every choice that anybody ever makes in their own lives is the right choice for them.  Always. 
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Re: Between the Lines with BITB
« Reply #531 on: March 11, 2014, 09:42:48 AM »
i chose to hit the snooze button yesterday morning and slept through an important engagement. i'd been hating myself until spracs cleared things up for me. pun not intended.

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Re: Between the Lines with BITB
« Reply #532 on: March 11, 2014, 09:55:29 AM »
i chose to hit the snooze button yesterday morning and slept through an important engagement. i'd been hating myself until spracs cleared things up for me. pun not intended.

Should totally give yourself a break and maybe take up crack as a habit.  Will help you enjoy the new outlook.

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Re: Between the Lines with BITB
« Reply #533 on: March 11, 2014, 10:00:55 AM »
I wonder where Kietz gets his information that the percentages to win are higher when you foul up 3? (They are talking about OSU not fouling.)

did he mention Maryland v. Virginia?

Yes, basically said it was a fluke. I tweeted him a link to Kenpom's data on this. (Defenders win 94%, foulers win 93%, 3 full seasons of data)

Was the difference found to be statistically significant though? 

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Re: Between the Lines with BITB
« Reply #534 on: March 11, 2014, 10:13:17 AM »
Was the difference found to be statistically significant though? 

Seems pretty significant to me (4 seasons worth of games):

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I flagged all possessions at the end of the second half or overtime period where a team trailing by 3 took possession of the ball with between five and 12 seconds left. Then I recorded what happened in that possession (foul/no foul) and whether the game was won or lost by the leading team in regulation, or if the game went to an extra period. The period of record here is every game since the 2009-10 season. First, the results...

         W    L   OT   Win%   Cases
Foul    122   5    8   93.3    135
Defend  589   2   75   94.1    666
Foul-3    9   0    4   84.6     13

BTW, any person can find and read kenpom's blog about this. If you google "fouling up 3" this is the top link and kp's blog is free for all to read. You don't even have to work very hard to research and find the best article (at least that I can find) anyone has researched and written about this topic.

http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog/entry/yet_another_study_about_fouling_when_up_3

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Re: Between the Lines with BITB
« Reply #535 on: March 11, 2014, 10:46:56 AM »
The best decision for Embiid is the one that he makes.

Unless he chooses the one that is a terrible decision.

There is some type of hubris involved with this mindset that I find regrettable.

Ppl make bad choices for themselves all the time.

No, every choice that anybody ever makes in their own lives is the right choice for them.  Always.

It is not for us to determine for Joel how he assigns value to things in the world.  That being said, the writing is on the wall here, and the family seems to be steering the ship.

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Re: Between the Lines with BITB
« Reply #536 on: March 11, 2014, 03:06:09 PM »
The best decision for Embiid is the one that he makes.

Unless he chooses the one that is a terrible decision.

There is some type of hubris involved with this mindset that I find regrettable.

Ppl make bad choices for themselves all the time.

No, every choice that anybody ever makes in their own lives is the right choice for them.  Always.

It is not for us to determine for Joel how he assigns value to things in the world.  That being said, the writing is on the wall here, and the family seems to be steering the ship.

He should ask Mitch McGary how he assigned them. 
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Re: Between the Lines with BITB
« Reply #537 on: March 11, 2014, 03:10:40 PM »
Yeah, that must have been a real punch to the 'naads.

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Re: Between the Lines with BITB
« Reply #538 on: March 11, 2014, 03:13:20 PM »
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Posted: Today 2:17 PM
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and he perception of KU conspiracy on JoJo. That dick head is bringing strong today.

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Posted: Today 2:18 PM
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Conspiracy of what?
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Posted: Today 2:20 PM
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with holding info on what was the true diagnosis of JoJo health leading up to the second doctors opinion.
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I'm listening to it….it doesn't surprise me anymore when he goes Full Ret*rd.

Especially when it involves KU.
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Posted: Today 2:21 PM
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Why do you idiots listen to him then come here to bitch about it?  Don't listen, or at least don't bring it here.
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Posted: Today 2:22 PM
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It's amusing that he began with this preface: "Now I'm just going to give you facts. There's no opinion." The man thinks that, on a show called "Between the Lines," we all take the host's words at face value.
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Posted: Today 2:22 PM
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    justagame2 wrote: with holding info on what was the true diagnosis of JoJo health leading up to the second doctors opinion.


Who gives a sh*t if he withheld information. This isn't pro sports, teams don't have to disclose a damn thing about injuries. Also, I'll go ahead and say it, why does anyone listen to that assclown to begin.
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Posted: Today 2:22 PM
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He is trying to include Self getting all over JoJo at late night for goofing around as part of why he is not playing. He is such a tool.
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Posted: Today 2:24 PM
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you idiots that listen to 810 deserve to be butthurt.
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Posted: Today 2:26 PM
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Trolling for a thread again today, eh Kev? See ya on the radio!

810 WHB's Kevin Kietzman got stopped at 2:35 AM Jan. 10th in Mission Hills
because he's driving erratically and his headlights are off.The cops note a
female's head coming up from his lap as they pull him over. They ask him to
get out of the car and as he does...his pants fall down around his ankles.
The cops are laughing their a**es off. Kietzman starts blubbering that he's
a married man and that the woman is not his wife and begs them to not write
him a ticket because he says he'll lose his job. The cops call two more
cruisers when they find out its Kietzman, just to laugh at the dumb ***.

The woman is drunk on her ***. Guess who the woman giving KK the mobile
hummer is? The lovely Jessica from the radio station. The best part is the
whole incident was caught on video and audiotape by the Prairie Village
police (who patrol Mission Hills).

Long story short, they don't write him a ticket and let him go. But the cops
spread the story everywhere and everybody in the media knew about it within
days. But since there's no paperwork on the "incident" no one runs the
story - including the Pitch. The Star verified the entire ordeal down to
where a cop told one reporter, "You gotta hear him blubbering and begging on
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tape. It's the funniest thing I've ever heard." The Star tried to get access
to the tape via the Kansas Open Record act but were denied due to some
aggressive legwork by KK's very active lawyer. He was interviewed by a
reported for The Pitch, and told him that no one was going to do this story
because there was no ticket issued. It looks like so far he's been able to
keep it out of public view.

The Pitch is still trying to get a copy of the video/audio tape from the
cops. The PV police chief let them know that after he met KK and his lawyer,
he'd like nothing better than seeing KK's incident exposed. He said that KK
came into his office with his lawyer and started reading him his press
clippings.
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Posted: Today 2:26 PM
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    GenerousGeorge wrote: Why do you idiots listen to him then come here to bitch about it?  Don't listen, or at least don't bring it here.


If I was a talk radio personality, I'd definitely have an intern create and curate a few socks to promote my ******** opinions and programs on the message boards.  Seems like a good way to get more listeners and brand awareness.

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Posted: Today 2:26 PM
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That dumbass is the Alex Jones of sports radio.
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Posted: Today 2:27 PM
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Insinuating that any future recruits for Kansas are mind numbed and any recruit that is intelligent and has good parents would not play for Kansas because of this.
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Posted: Today 2:27 PM
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    Jhawkin27 wrote:

        justagame2 wrote: with holding info on what was the true diagnosis of JoJo health leading up to the second doctors opinion.


    Who gives a sh*t if he withheld information. This isn't pro sports, teams don't have to disclose a damn thing about injuries. Also, I'll go ahead and say it, why does anyone listen to that assclown to begin.

To what extent does confidentiality come into this?  KU and Self owe the public and the media absolutely nothing when it comes to health information on the players.
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Posted: Today 2:29 PM
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I think he is trying to say that KU with-held information to Jojo himself and his family, not us.

Im not really sure though because Im not listening to him.
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Posted: Today 2:29 PM
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I think the definition of butthurt is being unwilling to listen to someone with a dissenting opinion (no matter how far off that opinion may be).

    Shaqalicious wrote: you idiots that listen to 810 deserve to be butthurt.

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Posted: Today 2:30 PM
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Danny just going along: "There HAS to be something bad in this." That guy is such a lapdog.
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Posted: Today 2:33 PM
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He's now saying he thinks KU didn't know what was wrong with JoJo. Not true. Self knew it was more than a strain and said so publicly on Sunday, before the exam in LA.

http://www.kansascity.com/2014...njury-more.html
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Posted: Today 2:33 PM
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He's 19.
HIPAA says you can't disclose without parental permission. Granted, some schools do, but there certainly isn't a conspiracy if you don't.
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Posted: Today 2:35 PM
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    PlazaJayHawk wrote: Danny just going along: "There HAS to be something bad in this." That guy is such a lapdog.

His job is to help feed the dramatic narrative. So bush.

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Re: Between the Lines with BITB
« Reply #539 on: March 11, 2014, 03:15:21 PM »
I heard Seff on with Lupica on Sunday Morning ESPN radio.  Let's just say he did quite a tap dance around the Jo situation.


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Re: Between the Lines with BITB
« Reply #540 on: March 11, 2014, 03:19:11 PM »
I always think their clikscale observos are a special treat.

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Re: Between the Lines with BITB
« Reply #541 on: March 11, 2014, 03:20:16 PM »
I always think their clikscale observos are a special treat.

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Re: Between the Lines with BITB
« Reply #542 on: March 11, 2014, 03:21:02 PM »
im not going to longcat that dax post but it proves why KK is BITB

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Re: Between the Lines with BITB
« Reply #543 on: March 11, 2014, 03:21:09 PM »
i bet it's a great feeling for BITB to walk into his job every day knowing he is about to paint a masterpiece.

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Re: Between the Lines with BITB
« Reply #544 on: March 11, 2014, 03:27:03 PM »
Why else would a player get a second opinion from a doctor halfway across the country?  KU has a doc.

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Re: Between the Lines with BITB
« Reply #545 on: March 11, 2014, 03:36:39 PM »
Was the difference found to be statistically significant though? 

Seems pretty significant to me (4 seasons worth of games):

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I flagged all possessions at the end of the second half or overtime period where a team trailing by 3 took possession of the ball with between five and 12 seconds left. Then I recorded what happened in that possession (foul/no foul) and whether the game was won or lost by the leading team in regulation, or if the game went to an extra period. The period of record here is every game since the 2009-10 season. First, the results...

         W    L   OT   Win%   Cases
Foul    122   5    8   93.3    135
Defend  589   2   75   94.1    666
Foul-3    9   0    4   84.6     13

BTW, any person can find and read kenpom's blog about this. If you google "fouling up 3" this is the top link and kp's blog is free for all to read. You don't even have to work very hard to research and find the best article (at least that I can find) anyone has researched and written about this topic.

http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog/entry/yet_another_study_about_fouling_when_up_3

The numbers seem contrary.  You _fan seem to be saying that fouling is the smart move, but his "defend" win % is better.  Although if you do the math the percentages flip...

Foul:  122/135 = 90.4%
Defend:  589/666 = 88.4%

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Re: Between the Lines with BITB
« Reply #546 on: March 11, 2014, 03:40:21 PM »


The numbers seem contrary.  You _fan seem to be saying that fouling is the smart move, but his "defend" win % is better.  Although if you do the math the percentages flip...

Foul:  122/135 = 90.4%
Defend:  589/666 = 88.4%

Did you figure in the fact that some OTs ended up as wins and some ended up as losses?

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Re: Between the Lines with BITB
« Reply #547 on: March 11, 2014, 03:40:59 PM »
It's unreal how far in their heads BITB is.

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Re: Between the Lines with BITB
« Reply #548 on: March 11, 2014, 03:43:29 PM »


The numbers seem contrary.  You _fan seem to be saying that fouling is the smart move, but his "defend" win % is better.  Although if you do the math the percentages flip...

Foul:  122/135 = 90.4%
Defend:  589/666 = 88.4%

Did you figure in the fact that some OTs ended up as wins and some ended up as losses?

Well the strategy is to win outright.  OT or an outright loss are considered a failure for this metric.  No one makes the decision to foul or not foul because they want to force an overtime if they're already up 3.

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Re: Between the Lines with BITB
« Reply #549 on: March 11, 2014, 03:53:50 PM »
The numbers seem contrary.  You _fan seem to be saying that fouling is the smart move, but his "defend" win % is better.  Although if you do the math the percentages flip...

Foul:  122/135 = 90.4%
Defend:  589/666 = 88.4%
 

For win% Pomeroy accounted for winning/losing in OT. Either way, there isn't much difference in fouling or not.

Also,  I never said fouling was the smart move. If anything I was implying that either strategy is fine though defending is slightly better by the percentages.

My point in linkingthe article was against those like Kietz that claim fouling is absolutely the smart move when it's clear by the data Pomeroy presented that is not true at all.
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