Author Topic: JHR (Read 7730 times)

Cire · « **on:** February 20, 2010, 08:00:03 PM »

JFC, how far has that dude come? probably more improvement than anyone seff has coached.

AzCat · « **Reply #1 on:** February 20, 2010, 08:01:09 PM »

Yeah but think how awesome he'd be if he could actually make a dunk. Or a layup. Or anything.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #2 on:** February 20, 2010, 08:03:22 PM »

Nice that we can let FR come along slowly and play up and down. We can count on the older guys and let them figure it out. I'd say McGruds and Judge have hit a little bit of the "freshman wall", hopefully they snap out of it in the next few weeks. JHR and Irving seem to have earned the trust of Frank to get a few more minutes. Interesting how he has handled these guys, but I'm glad we've reached the point as a program to do it.

sys · « **Reply #3 on:** February 20, 2010, 08:05:41 PM »

Quote from: AzCat on February 20, 2010, 08:01:09 PM

Yeah but think how awesome he'd be if he could actually make a dunk. Or a layup. Or anything.

think how awesome it'd be if martin would play kelly 30 minutes/game.

PoetWarrior · « **Reply #4 on:** February 20, 2010, 08:07:13 PM »

Quote from: sys on February 20, 2010, 08:05:41 PM

think how awesome it'd be if martin would play kelly 30 minutes/game.

Yep.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #5 on:** February 20, 2010, 08:13:51 PM »

Quote from: sys on February 20, 2010, 08:05:41 PM

Quote from: AzCat on February 20, 2010, 08:01:09 PM
Yeah but think how awesome he'd be if he could actually make a dunk. Or a layup. Or anything.

think how awesome it'd be if martin would play kelly 30 minutes/game.

Wish he'd quit doing stupid stuff so Martin would play him those additional 6-7 minutes per game.

Like thinking he's a guard and trying to breakdown a defender from the FT line.

doom · « **Reply #6 on:** February 20, 2010, 08:14:49 PM »

Quote from: sys on February 20, 2010, 08:05:41 PM

Quote from: AzCat on February 20, 2010, 08:01:09 PM
Yeah but think how awesome he'd be if he could actually make a dunk. Or a layup. Or anything.

think how awesome it'd be if martin would play kelly 30 minutes/game.

did you watch kelly in the first half?

CatsFan_58 · « **Reply #7 on:** February 20, 2010, 08:31:42 PM »

Quote from: ksu_FAN on February 20, 2010, 08:13:51 PM

Quote from: sys on February 20, 2010, 08:05:41 PM
Quote from: AzCat on February 20, 2010, 08:01:09 PM
Yeah but think how awesome he'd be if he could actually make a dunk. Or a layup. Or anything.

think how awesome it'd be if martin would play kelly 30 minutes/game.

Wish he'd quit doing stupid stuff so Martin would play him those additional 6-7 minutes per game.

Like thinking he's a guard and trying to breakdown a defender from the FT line.

yeah. seems 3 out of 5 times this results in a turnover.

sys · « **Reply #8 on:** February 20, 2010, 08:33:09 PM »

Quote from: doom on February 20, 2010, 08:14:49 PM

did you watch kelly in the first half?

when i wasn't losing the feed. he turns the ball over too much, bfd.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #9 on:** February 20, 2010, 08:36:25 PM »

Quote from: sys on February 20, 2010, 08:33:09 PM

Quote from: doom on February 20, 2010, 08:14:49 PM
did you watch kelly in the first half?

when i wasn't losing the feed. he turns the ball over too much, bfd.

And has some defensive lapses.

Frank has the luxury of playing several bigs. Kelly is by far the best scorer, but Frank can pull him when he messes up. I'm betting Kelly will play closer to 30 MPG next year.

sys · « **Reply #10 on:** February 20, 2010, 08:41:00 PM »

Quote from: ksu_FAN on February 20, 2010, 08:36:25 PM

And has some defensive lapses.

um, aren't we comparing him to jhr?

not sure if he'll get more minutes next year with an older jhr and asprilla. it prolly won't be as annoying if he doesn't then though.

KSU176 · « **Reply #11 on:** February 20, 2010, 08:42:22 PM »

Look forward to see him get stronger!

kso_FAN · « **Reply #12 on:** February 20, 2010, 08:43:21 PM »

Quote

Quote from: sys on February 20, 2010, 08:41:00 PM
Quote from: ksu_FAN on February 20, 2010, 08:36:25 PM
when i wasn't losing the feed. he turns the ball over too much, bfd.

And has some defensive lapses.

um, aren't we comparing him to jhr?

not sure if he'll get more minutes next year with an older jhr and asprilla. it prolly won't be as annoying if he doesn't then though.

I'm not comparing him to anyone, just looking at why he plays 23 or so minutes compared to 30. He splits minutes with Lou and JHR really, so its not just a Kelly/JHR comparison.

Lou did some really dumb things as well tonight.

sys · « **Reply #13 on:** February 20, 2010, 08:44:05 PM »

Quote from: ksu_FAN on February 20, 2010, 08:43:21 PM

Lou did some really dumb things as well tonight.

yeah.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #14 on:** February 20, 2010, 08:48:46 PM »

Quote from: sys on February 20, 2010, 08:44:05 PM

Quote from: ksu_FAN on February 20, 2010, 08:43:21 PM
Lou did some really dumb things as well tonight.

yeah.

I suppose it annoys me greatly when bigs try to take people off the dribble and get ripped. We seemed to do that quite a bit tonight, usually leading to some OU break/basket. Much more annoying than any Denis forced attempt from 3. IMHO.

kougar24 · « **Reply #15 on:** February 20, 2010, 08:57:32 PM »

Quote from: ksu_FAN on February 20, 2010, 08:48:46 PM

Quote from: sys on February 20, 2010, 08:44:05 PM
Quote from: ksu_FAN on February 20, 2010, 08:43:21 PM
Lou did some really dumb things as well tonight.

yeah.

I suppose it annoys me greatly when bigs try to take people off the dribble and get ripped. We seemed to do that quite a bit tonight, usually leading to some OU break/basket. Much more annoying than any Denis forced attempt from 3. IMHO.

Definitely. A missed Denis 3 is usually a 50/50 proposition for an O-reb. A Colon or Kelly TO is a 97% proposition for an opponent run-out layup.

sys · « **Reply #16 on:** February 20, 2010, 09:04:54 PM »

i think it was colon that refused to kick out to a completely wide open sutton (begging for the ball) and instead went across the lane and got stripped. that was annoying.

Pexikan · « **Reply #17 on:** February 20, 2010, 09:10:37 PM »

Lou. Lou? LOUUU!! Pass the FRACKING ball!! - Me @ the Wareham.

catzacker · « **Reply #18 on:** February 20, 2010, 09:21:02 PM »

Quote from: ksu_FAN on February 20, 2010, 08:43:21 PM

Quote
Quote from: sys on February 20, 2010, 08:41:00 PM
Quote from: ksu_FAN on February 20, 2010, 08:36:25 PM
when i wasn't losing the feed. he turns the ball over too much, bfd.

And has some defensive lapses.

um, aren't we comparing him to jhr?

not sure if he'll get more minutes next year with an older jhr and asprilla. it prolly won't be as annoying if he doesn't then though.

I'm not comparing him to anyone, just looking at why he plays 23 or so minutes compared to 30. He splits minutes with Lou and JHR really, so its not just a Kelly/JHR comparison.

Lou did some really dumb things as well tonight.

kind of two games in a row where apparently Lou thought he was michael fracking beasley every time he got the ball in the post.

and speaking of the post, is there anything sweeter than when we get the ball to samuels or kelly on or near the block and just clear out for them?

slimz · « **Reply #19 on:** February 20, 2010, 09:23:57 PM »

Is Lu underrated by K-State fans or overrated by commentators and non-KSU fans?

kso_FAN · « **Reply #20 on:** February 20, 2010, 09:27:23 PM »

Quote from: slimz on February 20, 2010, 09:23:57 PM

Is Lu underrated by K-State fans or overrated by commentators and non-KSU fans?

Lou is fine when he doesn't think he's an offensive weapon.

slimz · « **Reply #21 on:** February 20, 2010, 09:28:44 PM »

Quote from: ksu_FAN on February 20, 2010, 09:27:23 PM

Quote from: slimz on February 20, 2010, 09:23:57 PM
Is Lu underrated by K-State fans or overrated by commentators and non-KSU fans?

Lou is fine when he doesn't think he's an offensive weapon.

Yeah. I think his defense is underrated by K-State fans and his offense is overrated by others.

steve dave · « **Reply #22 on:** February 20, 2010, 09:29:04 PM »

Quote from: catzacker on February 20, 2010, 09:21:02 PM

is there anything sweeter than when we get the ball to samuels or kelly on or near the block and just clear out for them?

It's amazing

kso_FAN · « **Reply #23 on:** February 20, 2010, 09:36:58 PM »

Speaking of post play, I loved Jam-Sam backing down/owning OU defenders repeatedly in the 2nd half.

felix rex · « **Reply #24 on:** February 20, 2010, 10:20:35 PM »

Quote from: ksu_FAN on February 20, 2010, 09:27:23 PM

Quote from: slimz on February 20, 2010, 09:23:57 PM
Is Lu underrated by K-State fans or overrated by commentators and non-KSU fans?

Lou is fine when he doesn't think he's an offensive weapon.

He seems to do this more frequently when we need a basket to stop a run and he feels like he should "step up." Pretty frustrating, but still love the eff out of him.