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Re: Nino Williams: 2011-12 & debate about whether Southwell sucks or not.
« Reply #100 on: March 25, 2011, 05:27:03 PM »
he's an asset on offense.

totally disagree. when teams are begging him to shoot an unguarded 15 foot jumper, and he still doesn't shoot it, tells you about all you need to know about him as a liability on offense.

also, the talking point about shane being some sort of great passer is entirely over rated. martavious had a better a/to ratio.


He's only a freshman.  The Morris twins couldn't hit the broad side of a barn their freshman year, and now they're two of the best big men in the country.  Give Southwell some time to get comfortable and work on his jumpshot.

Whenever Southwell gets a RSCI in the top 70 then the comparison would be worthwhile.



Southwell was ranked #131 in Rivals' top 150, and he comes from a really good high school program in Rice (New York).  Pretty solid, imo.


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Re: Nino Williams: 2011-12 & debate about whether Southwell sucks or not.
« Reply #101 on: March 25, 2011, 05:46:56 PM »
my other quibble with your analysis would be that a turnover is far worse than an assist is good.

how so?  isn't an assist worth more than two points and a turnover worth less than two?

Turnovers come from not using your head and making poor decisions (which plagued the Cats all season long).  I am more forgiving (but not much more) of Jake's turnovers b/c most of them cam from being aggresive.  Everyone else on the team had more turnovers from dumb passes or telegraphing passes.  Assists also take 2 people to complete whereas a turnover is normally a product of 1's effort (or lack thereof).

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Re: Nino Williams: 2011-12 & debate about whether Southwell sucks or not.
« Reply #102 on: March 25, 2011, 08:29:22 PM »
he's an asset on offense.

totally disagree. when teams are begging him to shoot an unguarded 15 foot jumper, and he still doesn't shoot it, tells you about all you need to know about him as a liability on offense.

also, the talking point about shane being some sort of great passer is entirely over rated. martavious had a better a/to ratio.


He's only a freshman.  The Morris twins couldn't hit the broad side of a barn their freshman year, and now they're two of the best big men in the country.  Give Southwell some time to get comfortable and work on his jumpshot.

Whenever Southwell gets a RSCI in the top 70 then the comparison would be worthwhile.



Southwell was ranked #131 in Rivals' top 150, and he comes from a really good high school program in Rice (New York).  Pretty solid, imo.


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Well, we'll see. I'm not totally sold yet. And I think you over exaggerated a little, Marcus shot over 52% in conference games his freshman year.

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Re: Nino Williams: 2011-12 & debate about whether Southwell sucks or not.
« Reply #103 on: March 25, 2011, 10:10:38 PM »
my other quibble with your analysis would be that a turnover is far worse than an assist is good.

how so?  isn't an assist worth more than two points and a turnover worth less than two?

Turnovers come from not using your head and making poor decisions (which plagued the Cats all season long).  I am more forgiving (but not much more) of Jake's turnovers b/c most of them cam from being aggresive.  Everyone else on the team had more turnovers from dumb passes or telegraphing passes.  Assists also take 2 people to complete whereas a turnover is normally a product of 1's effort (or lack thereof).

It's an empirical fact that on a purely statistical basis, Assists are worth more than TOs cost. I just simplified the analysis to simple percentages to make it easier for non-stat geeks to understand. The actual in-depth statistical analysis gives Southwell even more of an edge. And, if you're "more forgiving of Jake's turnovers" because they resulted from aggression, how can you not give Shane the same treatment? Either way, though, that's nothing more than a "gut feel" thing, and doesn't mean much at all in relation to reality.

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Re: Nino Williams: 2011-12 & debate about whether Southwell sucks or not.
« Reply #104 on: July 03, 2012, 01:14:55 AM »
bump.

do people still think he doesn't suck?

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Re: Nino Williams: 2011-12 & debate about whether Southwell sucks or not.
« Reply #105 on: July 03, 2012, 07:18:28 AM »
 :sdeek:  Most of this thread is rough ridin' awful.

However, I think Nino will be a pleasant surprise this year.
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Re: Nino Williams: 2011-12 & debate about whether Southwell sucks or not.
« Reply #106 on: July 03, 2012, 07:22:44 AM »
I think Shane is a good backup 3 to Rod (which he hopefully plays this season)

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Re: Nino Williams: 2011-12 & debate about whether Southwell sucks or not.
« Reply #107 on: July 03, 2012, 07:24:00 AM »
shane will be amazing this year

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Re: Nino Williams: 2011-12 & debate about whether Southwell sucks or not.
« Reply #108 on: July 03, 2012, 08:08:44 AM »
shane will be amazing this year

well lets see here...it's already this year and last i checked shane was already amazing so guess what?  thanks a lot, prognostication master.

also of note, nino blows, get over yourselves, williams huggers


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Re: Nino Williams: 2011-12 & debate about whether Southwell sucks or not.
« Reply #109 on: July 03, 2012, 08:49:50 AM »
shane will be amazing this year

well lets see here...it's already this year and last i checked shane was already amazing so guess what?  thanks a lot, prognostication master.

also of note, nino blows, get over yourselves, williams huggers

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Re: Nino Williams: 2011-12 & debate about whether Southwell sucks or not.
« Reply #110 on: July 03, 2012, 08:50:44 AM »
Nino won't play the four this year, so hooray :cheers:
Weber will change Shane's shoot, not expecting a lot from him this year, expecting the world from him his senior year.   

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Re: Nino Williams: 2011-12 & debate about whether Southwell sucks or not.
« Reply #111 on: July 03, 2012, 08:51:44 AM »
shane will be amazing this year

well lets see here...it's already this year and last i checked shane was already amazing so guess what?  thanks a lot, prognostication master.

also of note, nino blows, get over yourselves, williams huggers

Whatevs stupid face.
I have noticed that the heat has really added to the tension in here.

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Re: Nino Williams: 2011-12 & debate about whether Southwell sucks or not.
« Reply #112 on: July 03, 2012, 08:53:42 AM »
shane will be amazing this year

well lets see here...it's already this year and last i checked shane was already amazing so guess what?  thanks a lot, prognostication master.

also of note, nino blows, get over yourselves, williams huggers

Whatevs stupid face.
I have noticed that the heat has really added to the tension in here.

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Re: Nino Williams: 2011-12 & debate about whether Southwell sucks or not.
« Reply #113 on: July 03, 2012, 08:55:42 AM »
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Re: Nino Williams: 2011-12 & debate about whether Southwell sucks or not.
« Reply #114 on: July 03, 2012, 11:36:40 AM »
I like nino. why does it have to be #teamnino #teamshane?

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Re: Nino Williams: 2011-12 & debate about whether Southwell sucks or not.
« Reply #115 on: July 03, 2012, 11:38:58 AM »
I like nino. why does it have to be #teamnino #teamshane?

it doesn't

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Re: Nino Williams: 2011-12 & debate about whether Southwell sucks or not.
« Reply #116 on: July 03, 2012, 11:39:23 AM »

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Re: Nino Williams: 2011-12 & debate about whether Southwell sucks or not.
« Reply #117 on: July 03, 2012, 11:57:17 AM »
We need a scapegoat!!! Who should it be??? 

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Re: Nino Williams: 2011-12 & debate about whether Southwell sucks or not.
« Reply #118 on: July 03, 2012, 12:01:56 PM »
We need a scapegoat!!! Who should it be???

probably old man body omari if he ever sees the court

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Re: Nino Williams: 2011-12 & debate about whether Southwell sucks or not.
« Reply #119 on: July 03, 2012, 12:54:26 PM »
We need a scapegoat!!! Who should it be???

probably old man body omari if he ever sees the court

Omari has been reborn, he is are Phoenix

http://www.kansascity.com/2012/07/02/3687587/k-state-coach-oscar-weber-calls.html 

If he becomes the player he was his Jr. year in high school he is going to be good.

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June, 2008: Big, physical, lead guard who is best at getting to the glass and drawing contact. Could lead the Big Apple, if not the country, in free throw attempts. Basketball IQ is way above average and he looks to make the big plays down the stretch. Omari can catch and shoot out to 21ft and is excellent at taking what the defense gives. Consummate team player who does whatever it takes to win the game. He is a High Major lock and good enough to help any team in the country.

Novmeber, 2007: Omari is a lefty shooter with excellent defensive intensity. His long arms grab a lot of rebounds and he has a bloodhound's nose for the ball. An athletic leaper, Lawrence can be quite a showman in transition. Able to attack the basket by going left or right, this long-armed slasher has some nice up and under finishes and reverses off the glass as well as vicious throwdowns.
 




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We need a scapegoat!!! Who should it be???

It's been oscar for months. 

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We need a scapegoat!!! Who should it be???

It's been oscar for months. 

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oscar can't be the scapegoat, if we blame him it is because he deserves it.

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Re: Nino Williams: 2011-12 & debate about whether Southwell sucks or not.
« Reply #122 on: July 03, 2012, 01:09:23 PM »
yeah, we heard all that about Omari a year ago too.  his body is just too old man (which I believe is a Bossi quote)

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We need a scapegoat!!! Who should it be???

It's been oscar for months. 

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oscar can't be the scapegoat, if we blame him it is because he deserves it.

No. oscar is perfect because Currie is where the real fault lies.

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We need a scapegoat!!! Who should it be???

It's been oscar for months. 

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oscar can't be the scapegoat, if we blame him it is because he deserves it.

No. oscar is perfect because Currie is where the real fault lies.

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