Welfare

[Stupid Fitz]

http://www.kmov.com/news/local/Missouri-Welfare-Benefits-Being-Spent-in-Hawaii-117256028.html

Makes me angry  

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

Same thing is happening in California.  $1.8 million used in casinos over an 8 month period.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Most people have forgotten that welfare is supposed to help you get back on your feet, NOT provide a minimum standard of life.  And when I say "most people" that includes all libtards.

[Stupid Fitz]

Love the part about ATM fees. I mean why go through the effort of finding an ATM that doesn't charge when it isn't your money.

[the KHAN!]

You cannot fight evolution.


and by that I mean, let the weak rough ridin' die. Seriously. What do they contribute to our society? Nothing at all. Fewer mouths to feed = less taxes to feed them = more money towards things like education that can lead to less idiots and bums = happier people who can actually support themselves.

[michigancat]

The casinos in California are really bad, but the money spent in AK and HI doesn't seem like a significant amount at all when you compare it to the overall money spent outside Missouri, let alone the total EBT budget.

I would imagine the money spent on casinos in Missouri would be a lot more infuriating.

[Rage Against the McKee]

This is the problem with giving people welfare in the form of money. Being able to draw welfare from an ATM is beyond ridiculous.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

This is the problem with giving people welfare in the form of money. Being able to draw welfare from an ATM is beyond ridiculous.

California used to give out food stamps that could only be used at certain types of places for certain types of goods,  but the liberals thought there was a stigma attached to using them, so they came up with the brilliant idea to issue pre-paid visa cards instead. Now recipients can buy liqueur, cigarettes, and gamble with tax dollars. Living on the dole gets more attractive every day. 

[the KHAN!]

I saw a guy in Manhattan try and use food stamps to buy cigarettes at a Tobacco store.

NO crap. I laughed pretty hard, then wept for America.

[CNS]

I am fine with welfare given out as cash if it is going to be given out at all.  However, I think that any and all govt help should come with much more strings attached.  For example, your kids should have to maintain a certain minimum level of grades and attendance in school.  If your dumbass kids aren't learning to not be dumbasses, you don't get your check.   Either you straighten things up a little or you just don't get assistance.  

Incentives like that may actually push some of those abusing it into being able to support themselves one generation out.

I don't mean for this to encompass all welfare people in saying that all are cheating the system and using it as a bank for their lazy ass.  In fact, I think this is over blown big time as the norm when I would think it is the minority.  Not all poor are manipulators.  Hell, my fam qualified for assistance when I was growing up.  We didn't take it, but we could have.  Since, I have my degree and my household income is 2-3 times the avg income.  Proper education of one generation makes a huge difference.

Education is the key to lowering the reliance on this program.  Unfortunately, education isn't something that can be solved in a few years.

[jtksu]

I can only speak for KS but the EBT benefits are only able to be used on food.  Not like the WIC program, which dictates which types of food you can buy.  Still, you can only buy food products; no booze, diapers, tobacco, etc.  And I'm totally torn about the welfare/SRS system.  If you cut them off, children die and crime sky rockets.  If we keep it alive, we enable generations of totally dependant people.  If someone can come up with a perfect program to ween those people off, I'm all for it.

[jtksu]

But I'll be the first to admit that I'm a complete Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) about these matters.  I'm just not in the business of starving children.

[Stupid Fitz]

But I'll be the first to admit that I'm a complete Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) about these matters.  I'm just not in the business of starving children.

Don't like starving children either.  The problem is some of them are starving anyway because their dead beat parents are spending the grocery money at the casino.  I think this is an area where if government wants to hire some people they can monitor and help the people consistently on the programs.  I had a friend work at a bank and he said it was the same people each and every month cashing the checks.  I also think that the women receiving checks should have to come pick them up at a health center and get a birth control shot in order to get the check each month.  If you can't take care of yourself, you probably can't take care of a kid or 12. 

[jtksu]

"Birth control shots?"  Hell, why not just sterilize them?  I mean, they're all clearly retards and should not be afforded even the most basic of human rights, amirite?!

[pike]

"Birth control shots?"  Hell, why not just sterilize them?  I mean, they're all clearly retards and should not be afforded even the most basic of human rights, amirite?!

Toss 'em in the FEMA camps 

[nicname]

I would be okay with doing away with pretty much all welfare.  I love charity, but welfare takes the virtue out of it.  With charity it works in a real positive way.  First the recipient has to humble themselves and seek assistance, something which most people feel uncomfortable doing, and they normally strive to avoid needing such assistance.  Second the person supplying whatever it is the recipient needs gets a valuable feeling from helping out others.  With the government involved it just becomes entitlement, and that is good for no one. 

 

[Stupid Fitz]

http://www.cnbc.com/id/41969508
 

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

http://www.cnbc.com/id/41969508
 

That's incredible.

[Dirty Sanchez]

http://www.cnbc.com/id/41969508
 

We're not doing enough!

[pike]

http://www.cnbc.com/id/41969508
 

We're not doing paying enough!

fyp

[Goldbrick]

Motivation to get off welfare, or to better yourself in general, can come from shame. Shame is a lost tool.

But how many people on welfare feel shame over it? How many of them would even know what it means to feel shame about anything anymore?

If you've ever worked in a grocery store or in retail, how true does the story of the 'man or woman falling on bad times, through no bad decisions of their own, forced to take government assistance' ring to you? Most of the people coming through buying junk with their EBT card or milk and cereal with WIC are people that gave up giving a cac about much of anything quite some time ago. They don't make good decisions. And they don't need to.

[Stupid Fitz]

Motivation to get off welfare, or to better yourself in general, can come from shame. Shame is a lost tool.

But how many people on welfare feel shame over it? How many of them would even know what it means to feel shame about anything anymore?

If you've ever worked in a grocery store or in retail, how true does the story of the 'man or woman falling on bad times, through no bad decisions of their own, forced to take government assistance' ring to you? Most of the people coming through buying junk with their EBT card or milk and cereal with WIC are people that gave up giving a cac about much of anything quite some time ago. They don't make good decisions. And they don't need to.

Why risk getting laid off again at a job that pays 9 bucks an hour, when you can get a guaranteed check to stay home and watch price is right?  Sad

[nicname]

Motivation to get off welfare, or to better yourself in general, can come from shame. Shame is a lost tool.

But how many people on welfare feel shame over it? How many of them would even know what it means to feel shame about anything anymore?

If you've ever worked in a grocery store or in retail, how true does the story of the 'man or woman falling on bad times, through no bad decisions of their own, forced to take government assistance' ring to you? Most of the people coming through buying junk with their EBT card or milk and cereal with WIC are people that gave up giving a cac about much of anything quite some time ago. They don't make good decisions. And they don't need to.

When my son was born, we were given assistance from the government.  His mother was in Grad. School and I was working two kitchen jobs to try and pay our bills.  Did we feel a bit ashamed when making people wait in line for our WIC items to be ran though?  Sure, but we were definitely thankful.  But you are right the people who take advantage of the system far outnumber the people who don't.

And like I said in a previous post I am still al for getting rid of government welfare, the aid that we recieved could have just as easily came from a church, or some other means as the government.   

[Dirty Sanchez]

Motivation to get off welfare, or to better yourself in general, can come from shame. Shame is a lost tool.

But how many people on welfare feel shame over it? How many of them would even know what it means to feel shame about anything anymore?

If you've ever worked in a grocery store or in retail, how true does the story of the 'man or woman falling on bad times, through no bad decisions of their own, forced to take government assistance' ring to you? Most of the people coming through buying junk with their EBT card or milk and cereal with WIC are people that gave up giving a cac about much of anything quite some time ago. They don't make good decisions. And they don't need to.

When my son was born, we were given assistance from the government.  His mother was in Grad. School and I was working two kitchen jobs to try and pay our bills.  Did we feel a bit ashamed when making people wait in line for our WIC items to be ran though?  Sure, but we were definitely thankful.  But you are right the people who take advantage of the system far outnumber the people who don't.

And like I said in a previous post I am still al for getting rid of government welfare, the aid that we recieved could have just as easily came from a church, or some other means as the government.   

You were working, hard apparently with 2 jobs, and your wife was working her way through her education.  Theoretically, this should allow you to increase your income in the future, which would in the long run be a net gain for the govt through your increased tax rate.  In these cases, it would be considered a worthwhile investment.  Habitual users who do nothing to improve their situation are a completely different story.  It truly is throwing good money after bad.

[Stupid Fitz]

Motivation to get off welfare, or to better yourself in general, can come from shame. Shame is a lost tool.

But how many people on welfare feel shame over it? How many of them would even know what it means to feel shame about anything anymore?

If you've ever worked in a grocery store or in retail, how true does the story of the 'man or woman falling on bad times, through no bad decisions of their own, forced to take government assistance' ring to you? Most of the people coming through buying junk with their EBT card or milk and cereal with WIC are people that gave up giving a cac about much of anything quite some time ago. They don't make good decisions. And they don't need to.

When my son was born, we were given assistance from the government.  His mother was in Grad. School and I was working two kitchen jobs to try and pay our bills.  Did we feel a bit ashamed when making people wait in line for our WIC items to be ran though?  Sure, but we were definitely thankful.  But you are right the people who take advantage of the system far outnumber the people who don't.

And like I said in a previous post I am still al for getting rid of government welfare, the aid that we recieved could have just as easily came from a church, or some other means as the government.   

You were working, hard apparently with 2 jobs, and your wife was working her way through her education.  Theoretically, this should allow you to increase your income in the future, which would in the long run be a net gain for the govt through your increased tax rate.  In these cases, it would be considered a worthwhile investment.  Habitual users who do nothing to improve their situation are a completely different story.  It truly is throwing good money after bad.

Completely agree.  This situation is what welfare was intended for.  He needed "temporary" assistance so he could take care of himself and his family while they bettered themselves for the future.  Main problem is, so many people have no intention of bettering themselves and just want the check to continue.  The instance I described above was told to me by a guy that works with land surveyors in Montana.  He had a guy that ran a company tell him that they can't find anyone to take a surveying job.  He said they interview people every week and people tell him all of the time that it isn't worth giving up the benefits  to work for him since the job may not be around forever. (they survey land in counties then move on, when finished.  The current job was for 2 years work, I think)