Holy War

[Goldbrick]

A religious individual does not have to be homophobic to shun a homosexual individual, be they family or not.

If God appeared before you today and said that homosexuality was immoral behavior, you wouldn't have to suddenly despise gay people. You could simply recognize that their behavior is ultimately wrong and immoral. That doesn't require hate or fear, that requires a moral judgement of behavior.

But since we've all become more than comfortable assuming each others 'true' motivations, the 'religion is homophobic/hateful' narrative has taken full force for a cop-out answer and guaranteed emotional reaction.

[Rams]

Haven't done a lot of research myself, but from my limited understanding and what I've heard from people who have researched them, Buddhism and Hinduism sound like pretty badass organized religions.    Gun to my head, I'd prolly pick one of those.

Gun to my head, mind you.

[Dirty Sanchez]

Haven't done a lot of research myself, but from my limited understanding and what I've heard from people who have researched them, Buddhism and Hinduism sound like pretty badass organized religions.    Gun to my head, I'd prolly pick one of those.

Gun to my head, mind you.

If a gun were to you're head, it would probably be atheism or islam you would pick.

Just sayin'.

[LickNeckey]

cause atheists and muslims regularly convert at gun point?

 

[pike]

Haven't done a lot of research myself, but from my limited understanding and what I've heard from people who have researched them, Buddhism and Hinduism sound like pretty badass organized religions.    Gun to my head, I'd prolly pick one of those.

Gun to my head, mind you.

If a gun were to you're head, it would probably be atheism or islam you would pick.

Just sayin'.

atheism isn't a religion 

[Dirty Sanchez]

Haven't done a lot of research myself, but from my limited understanding and what I've heard from people who have researched them, Buddhism and Hinduism sound like pretty badass organized religions.    Gun to my head, I'd prolly pick one of those.

Gun to my head, mind you.

If a gun were to you're head, it would probably be atheism or islam you would pick.

Just sayin'.

atheism isn't a religion 

In today's world, it clearly is.  Organization, indoctrination, prostleitization, etc.

[Saulbadguy]

Haven't done a lot of research myself, but from my limited understanding and what I've heard from people who have researched them, Buddhism and Hinduism sound like pretty badass organized religions.    Gun to my head, I'd prolly pick one of those.

Gun to my head, mind you.

If a gun were to you're head, it would probably be atheism or islam you would pick.

Just sayin'.

atheism isn't a religion 

In today's world, it clearly is.  Organization, indoctrination, prostleitization, etc.

No.  Atheism is pretty much this =

[Rams]

Haven't done a lot of research myself, but from my limited understanding and what I've heard from people who have researched them, Buddhism and Hinduism sound like pretty badass organized religions.    Gun to my head, I'd prolly pick one of those.

Gun to my head, mind you.

If a gun were to you're head, it would probably be atheism or islam you would pick.

Just sayin'.

Please name the last few famous murderers/criminals that committed their respective crimes/murders in the name of atheism.  tia. 

[CHONGS]

Haven't done a lot of research myself, but from my limited understanding and what I've heard from people who have researched them, Buddhism and Hinduism sound like pretty badass organized religions.    Gun to my head, I'd prolly pick one of those.

Gun to my head, mind you.

If a gun were to you're head, it would probably be atheism or islam you would pick.

Just sayin'.

Please name the last few famous murderers/criminals that committed their respective crimes/murders in the name of atheism.  tia. 

sigh, you he's going to name mao and stalin.  and probably hitler too. 

never before have i seen both sides of an argument be so rough ridin' terrible at making a point

[Saulbadguy]

The fact that so many possibilities remain leaves all conclusions incorrect and impossible...except for the conclusion that there is no conclusion.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

I agree this thread has probably run it's course. 

[Goldbrick]

The fact that so many possibilities remain leaves all conclusions incorrect and impossible...except for the conclusion that there is no conclusion.

Yeah... no.

The fact that so many possibilities remain is just further evidence that its a tough question.

[pike]

Haven't done a lot of research myself, but from my limited understanding and what I've heard from people who have researched them, Buddhism and Hinduism sound like pretty badass organized religions.    Gun to my head, I'd prolly pick one of those.

Gun to my head, mind you.

If a gun were to you're head, it would probably be atheism or islam you would pick.

Just sayin'.

atheism isn't a religion 

In today's world, it clearly is.  Organization, indoctrination, prostleitization, etc.

 

[the KHAN!]

It's a worldview. It just doesn't have a pope other than Jesus H. Dawkins.

[Panjandrum]

It's a worldview. It just doesn't have a pope other than Jesus H. Dawkins.

I don't know.  Maybe.

Is not believing in Santa Claus a world view?  If so, then yes, it's a world view.

[the KHAN!]

Is not believing in Santa Claus a world view?  If so, then yes, it's a world view.

Not believing in Santa Clause does not drastically change your perspective on anything really. I didn't realize that Santa dictated what good and bad were, other than you shouldn't do bad. I didn't realize that Santa claimed creation over the world. I didn't realize Santa did much of anything other than deliver presents.

Bad comparison.

[skycat]

A religious individual does not have to be homophobic to shun a homosexual individual, be they family or not.

If God appeared before you today and said that homosexuality was immoral behavior, you wouldn't have to suddenly despise gay people. You could simply recognize that their behavior is ultimately wrong and immoral. That doesn't require hate or fear, that requires a moral judgement of behavior.

No, I'd think God was a total Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). Who cares if a man likes to stick his dick in another man's ass, or a woman likes to lick another woman's pussy? How is that wrong or immoral?

And please don't say, "Because the Bible HURRR DURRRRR"

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

A religious individual does not have to be homophobic to shun a homosexual individual, be they family or not.

If God appeared before you today and said that homosexuality was immoral behavior, you wouldn't have to suddenly despise gay people. You could simply recognize that their behavior is ultimately wrong and immoral. That doesn't require hate or fear, that requires a moral judgement of behavior.

No, I'd think God was a total Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). Who cares if a man likes to stick his dick in another man's ass, or a woman likes to lick another woman's pussy? How is that wrong or immoral?

And please don't say, "Because the Bible HURRR DURRRRR"

Maybe God said "Hey, whoa there boys! Those parts were not designed to be used in that way! I know they sort of fit together and kind of get the job done, but using them in that manner voids your limited lifetime warranty."

[Dirty Sanchez]

A religious individual does not have to be homophobic to shun a homosexual individual, be they family or not.

If God appeared before you today and said that homosexuality was immoral behavior, you wouldn't have to suddenly despise gay people. You could simply recognize that their behavior is ultimately wrong and immoral. That doesn't require hate or fear, that requires a moral judgement of behavior.

No, I'd think God was a total Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

So you were created in God's image then.   

[KSU187]

<---- Wonders why Athiesm vs. Theism always ends up with the "butt effing" discussion.  It always comes back to gayness, and people not accepting said gayness.... Jesus, who really cares?

For the atheist, who cares if religious people don't accept gays? What does it matter? Must everyone agree with you?

There are plenty of religions/denominations that do. Some groups not accepting the queerz is not a basis for wholesale condemnation.

[michigancat]

For the atheist, who cares if religious people don't accept gays? What does it matter? Must everyone agree with you?

"Don't accept" is a pretty broad strawman. Personally, I have a problem with gays not having equal rights as straight people, based solely on their gayness, like I would any other group of people that is not harming others. I imagine this is how many atheists feel, as well.

[the KHAN!]

For the atheist, who cares if religious people don't accept gays? What does it matter? Must everyone agree with you?

"Don't accept" is a pretty broad strawman. Personally, I have a problem with gays not having equal rights as straight people, based solely on their gayness, like I would any other group of people that is not harming others. I imagine this is how many atheists feel, as well.

I imagine you experience some form of revulsion at the idea of polygamy and/or incest.

[Dirty Sanchez]

For the atheist, who cares if religious people don't accept gays? What does it matter? Must everyone agree with you?

"Don't accept" is a pretty broad strawman. Personally, I have a problem with gays not having equal rights as straight people, based solely on their gayness, like I would any other group of people that is not harming others. I imagine this is how many atheists feel, as well.

They have equal rights as everyone else, and in some cases, extra "rights".  We've been over this.

[michigancat]

For the atheist, who cares if religious people don't accept gays? What does it matter? Must everyone agree with you?

"Don't accept" is a pretty broad strawman. Personally, I have a problem with gays not having equal rights as straight people, based solely on their gayness, like I would any other group of people that is not harming others. I imagine this is how many atheists feel, as well.

I imagine you experience some form of revulsion at the idea of polygamy and/or incest.

Again, that's a strawman. I have experienced revulsion at the 2 girls 1 cup video, but I don't think they should be stripped of any rights the average American enjoyed. Similarly, I don't think polygamy or incest should be illegal as long as they occur among consenting adults, (although I have not researched the possibility of birth defects from incest to speak intelligently on that matter).

Regardless, I definitely am not in favor of stripping participants of those practices their basic human rights.

They have equal rights as everyone else, and in some cases, extra "rights".  We've been over this.

no, they don't.

[wetwillie]

what rights are we talking about exactly?  Legally married and health insurance benefits etc?