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Will the "cool" Pinstripe Bowl K-State be on the new field at BSFS?

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Re: Will the "cool" Pinstripe Bowl K-State be on the new field at BSFS?
« Reply #375 on: May 20, 2011, 05:05:21 PM »
How many times have you donated 2 grand to the university?  If it's less than 2, STFU.  Dude donated a nice chunk of change, may as well get to ride his Harley in BSFS.

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Re: Will the "cool" Pinstripe Bowl K-State be on the new field at BSFS?
« Reply #376 on: May 20, 2011, 05:07:01 PM »
How many times have you donated 2 grand to the university?  If it's less than 2, STFU.  Dude donated a nice chunk of change, may as well get to ride his Harley in BSFS.

Having money doesn't mean you aren't stupid. 

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Re: Will the "cool" Pinstripe Bowl K-State be on the new field at BSFS?
« Reply #377 on: May 20, 2011, 05:07:53 PM »
Having money means you get to do whatever the eff you want.

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Re: Will the "cool" Pinstripe Bowl K-State be on the new field at BSFS?
« Reply #378 on: May 20, 2011, 05:10:53 PM »
Having money means you get to do whatever the eff you want.

can confirm this isn't true

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Re: Will the "cool" Pinstripe Bowl K-State be on the new field at BSFS?
« Reply #379 on: May 20, 2011, 05:12:18 PM »
Nicole Brown Simpson has a slightly different opinion than SD.

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Re: Barring a complete economic collapse . . .
« Reply #382 on: May 20, 2011, 11:29:00 PM »
what does this mean? they're accepting bids now?

this is a request for qualifications -  basically looks like they're trying to select a firm capable to do the project as a design-build instead of just being the consultant in the design phase.  much quicker (unless some dumbass fucks things up) to have the consultant working with the contractor out in the field and more or less "making it up as you go along".

disclaimer: cns people will explain this much better and might actually be accurate about things.

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Re: Will the "cool" Pinstripe Bowl K-State be on the new field at BSFS?
« Reply #383 on: May 20, 2011, 11:53:34 PM »
It's all relative.

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Re: Barring a complete economic collapse . . .
« Reply #384 on: May 21, 2011, 02:53:27 AM »
what does this mean? they're accepting bids now?

this is a request for qualifications -  basically looks like they're trying to select a firm capable to do the project as a design-build instead of just being the consultant in the design phase.  much quicker (unless some dumbass fucks things up) to have the consultant working with the contractor out in the field and more or less "making it up as you go along".

disclaimer: cns people will explain this much better and might actually be accurate about things.

It's just a standard RFQ. When a project comes up, architectural firms submit a portfolio. The client picks out a few for a "short list". They usually interview the firms on the short list, then select one. There are various methods involving fee and negotiations, but that's normally it. This RFQ is not a design build, it's a design bid build. Firm submits final construction documents, contractors bid on the project. Also, architects are just as involved with the construction phase in a design bid build as a design build. The only difference between the two is the contractor is selected without a bid in the design phase. It usually produces a better project, but bids get better prices.

Lowest bid will win, since federal and state funds are involved.

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Re: Barring a complete economic collapse . . .
« Reply #385 on: May 21, 2011, 03:44:10 AM »
It's just a standard RFQ. When a project comes up, architectural firms submit a portfolio. The client picks out a few for a "short list". They usually interview the firms on the short list, then select one. There are various methods involving fee and negotiations, but that's normally it. This RFQ is not a design build, it's a design bid build. Firm submits final construction documents, contractors bid on the project. Also, architects are just as involved with the construction phase in a design bid build as a design build. The only difference between the two is the contractor is selected without a bid in the design phase. It usually produces a better project, but bids get better prices.

Lowest bid will win, since federal and state funds are involved.

thanks ew - i don't typically have to deal with state/federal stuff.  am i being a dumbass about the first part where they mention "providing substantial savings of time or money over the traditional design-bid build delivery process.", overlapping design/construction phases, etc?  i deal mostly with civil stuff, but that's usually code for "we just want to get some crap done and don't want to wait years for something simple".

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Re: Barring a complete economic collapse . . .
« Reply #386 on: May 21, 2011, 06:00:07 AM »
There's going to be federal funds involved in this project?? 

The state funds are only going to be revenue bonds that K-State athletics sells.


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Re: Will the "cool" Pinstripe Bowl K-State be on the new field at BSFS?
« Reply #387 on: May 21, 2011, 11:07:44 AM »
Well, kinda sad.  The turf is now all pretty much laid out and unless they start doin some serious carving into that stuff we aren't going to have one pole vault runway, long jump pit, or high jump runway any where.  An 8 lane track, pffttt, forget about it.

They can build a hundred gazzillion dollar new pressbox for all I care, without a track, pole vault pits and jump runways we'll never be big time . . . never.


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Re: Will the "cool" Pinstripe Bowl K-State be on the new field at BSFS?
« Reply #388 on: May 21, 2011, 11:11:18 AM »
Nothing says modern day college football like a track around the field.

Maybe someday ku will get that standalone track facility built . . . what is it now? 5-6 years since that thing first went up on the drawing board?



They won't any time soon. The track is actually going to be resurfaced now. Insufficient funds.

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Re: Will the "cool" Pinstripe Bowl K-State be on the new field at BSFS?
« Reply #389 on: May 21, 2011, 11:13:58 AM »
Well, kinda sad.  The turf is now all pretty much laid out and unless they start doin some serious carving into that stuff we aren't going to have one pole vault runway, long jump pit, or high jump runway any where.  An 8 lane track, pffttt, forget about it.

They can build a hundred gazzillion dollar new pressbox for all I care, without a track, pole vault pits and jump runways we'll never be big time . . . never.



I'm still trying to figure out how they are going to bring in a backhoe for the steeple chase pit without tearing up the field.   IMO this whole project is a waste without it.
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Re: Barring a complete economic collapse . . .
« Reply #390 on: May 21, 2011, 12:19:46 PM »
It's just a standard RFQ. When a project comes up, architectural firms submit a portfolio. The client picks out a few for a "short list". They usually interview the firms on the short list, then select one. There are various methods involving fee and negotiations, but that's normally it. This RFQ is not a design build, it's a design bid build. Firm submits final construction documents, contractors bid on the project. Also, architects are just as involved with the construction phase in a design bid build as a design build. The only difference between the two is the contractor is selected without a bid in the design phase. It usually produces a better project, but bids get better prices.

Lowest bid will win, since federal and state funds are involved.

thanks ew - i don't typically have to deal with state/federal stuff.  am i being a dumbass about the first part where they mention "providing substantial savings of time or money over the traditional design-bid build delivery process.", overlapping design/construction phases, etc?  i deal mostly with civil stuff, but that's usually code for "we just want to get some crap done and don't want to wait years for something simple".

Yeah, the design firm has the same exact role in both scenarios. Initial design all the way through construction administration. The only thing that changes is when and how the contractor comes on board. This RFQ is getting bids after it's already designed. The architect will be still be involved through completion, which is normal for almost all projects. As for time and money savings, it's not really there. Like I said, the only real differences are you might have a slightly smoother process with the contractor being brought in on the design phase, but when it gets bid, you save money there. Time and cost savings either way are negligible.

dax- No idea. I was just saying it as an all inclusive thing. Probably should have said state or federal.
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Re: Will the "cool" Pinstripe Bowl K-State be on the new field at BSFS?
« Reply #391 on: May 21, 2011, 06:31:36 PM »
Well, kinda sad.  The turf is now all pretty much laid out and unless they start doin some serious carving into that stuff we aren't going to have one pole vault runway, long jump pit, or high jump runway any where.  An 8 lane track, pffttt, forget about it.

They can build a hundred gazzillion dollar new pressbox for all I care, without a track, pole vault pits and jump runways we'll never be big time . . . never.



I'm still trying to figure out how they are going to bring in a backhoe for the steeple chase pit without tearing up the field.   IMO this whole project is a waste without it.

They could make running into the steeple chase pit like worth 2 points or something.


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Re: Will the "cool" Pinstripe Bowl K-State be on the new field at BSFS?
« Reply #392 on: May 22, 2011, 01:27:35 PM »
Infill now going in . . .  :ksu:

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Re: Barring a complete economic collapse . . .
« Reply #393 on: May 23, 2011, 12:38:14 PM »
Our Lady of Perpetual Butt Hurt aka Tardville is probably going to melt down if this thing gets built and works out well for K-State.


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Re: Barring a complete economic collapse . . .
« Reply #394 on: May 23, 2011, 12:50:14 PM »
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Re: Barring a complete economic collapse . . .
« Reply #395 on: May 23, 2011, 01:10:48 PM »
so is there a visual aid/ timeline we can see for all the amazing projects the Kansas State University is planning.  tia

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