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The Great Fantasy . . .
« on: February 22, 2011, 11:52:42 AM »
that Obama was going to stick it to "big oil" is breathing it's last few breaths. 

$100 plus dollar barrel oil headed our way, Big Energy controlling major think tanks at Harvard, Big Energy heavily vested directly or through subsidaries in carbon trading systems, alternative energy systems, alternative energy control systems, alternative energy delivery systems etc. etc. etc.

Means "Big Oil"/"Big Mega Corp" is positioned to stuff their  pockets both coming and going. 

Another Obamabot fantasy fail.



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Re: The Great Fantasy . . .
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2011, 01:20:35 PM »
but, but, but.......TAX THE RICH!

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Re: The Great Fantasy . . .
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2011, 04:23:34 PM »
lol@thinking any president has the power to take on giant corporations anymore.

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Re: The Great Fantasy . . .
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2011, 07:22:19 PM »
lol@thinking any president has the power to take on giant corporations anymore.

They all work for them anyway

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Re: The Great Fantasy . . .
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2011, 08:37:17 PM »
lol@thinking any president has the power to take on giant corporations anymore.

I wonder what the libtards think of GE owning NBC, the propaganda machine for BO? I mean, if Exxonmobil had owned FOX during the Bush years, the cries of conspiracy would have been deafening... just sayin! hell, how about the Democratic party and their fingerbanging of the corporate banks?
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Re: The Great Fantasy . . .
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2011, 08:53:06 PM »
lol@thinking any president has the power to take on giant corporations anymore.

I wonder what the libtards think of GE owning NBC, the propaganda machine for BO? I mean, if Exxonmobil had owned FOX during the Bush years, the cries of conspiracy would have been deafening... just sayin! hell, how about the Democratic party and their fingerbanging of the corporate banks?

Both parties are nothing but whores to corporations.

Until there's significant campaign finance reform, it will always be this way.

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Re: The Great Fantasy . . .
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2011, 09:20:46 AM »
Oh well, you can pretty much mark this week as the end of the "recovery" if this continues.

No doubt this will heralded as the new era of alternative energy . . . the biggest problem with that is, that it will likely be China, South Korea and other foreign enterprises manufacturing the capital goods to support the "alternative energy". 

But GM makes the Volt I guess . . . which was just rated 12 out 12 by cnnfn/Money in a show down of top fuel efficient cars, and hey, they start at $40K.   




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Re: The Great Fantasy . . .
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2011, 11:56:33 AM »
Oh well, you can pretty much mark this week as the end of the "recovery" if this continues.

No doubt this will heralded as the new era of alternative energy . . . the biggest problem with that is, that it will likely be China, South Korea and other foreign enterprises manufacturing the capital goods to support the "alternative energy"

But GM makes the Volt I guess . . . which was just rated 12 out 12 by cnnfn/Money in a show down of top fuel efficient cars, and hey, they start at $40K.   





but but, We should be leaders in finding and using alternative energy..................

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Re: The Great Fantasy . . .
« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2011, 09:08:44 AM »
Guys, Obama doesn't have a plan.  He has rhetoric that he uses to rile up his idiot base, which is dwindling at a slow and steady pace.  He is, and always has been, a novice senator yet to learn the virtues of real leadership.  He might be the most underwhelming, overhyped elected leader in modern history. 

His campaign included promising things that no person could ever deliver on, but more importantly, which he never, EVER, intended to deliver on.  He is a liar, a scam artist, a false profit, and he's intelligent enough to know that when you have the media in your pocket, none of that matters.

He has done absolutely nothing.  His pet project "health care" was delegated to congress, butchered of all his promised "changes" and then signed into law for no reason other than to lie to everyone and tell them they all have free insurance and to declare a victory for his partisan base.  It's all bullshit.

Corporations, special interests, unions, non-profits, are all the same thing in the political process.  Maybe if the democrats hadn't created an environment where lining the pockets of politicians was so critical to creating wealth (whether in business/non-profit/union/special interest) in this country it wouldn't be such a glaring problem.  But they did, and here we are.  'grats dems.

We need a group of people who realize that this country is bigger than they are and a lot more important than they're next election.  Talk about a pipe dream. . .
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Re: The Great Fantasy . . .
« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2011, 12:04:19 AM »
pffttt, alternative energy.  Lets be honest, we're all gonna drive big ass SUV's until someone at the oil faucet looks up and goes "Oh crap, we just ran out"  Until then, i have little faith that alternative energy is going to be more than a hipster fad until we are all mumped.
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Re: The Great Fantasy . . .
« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2011, 12:06:01 AM »
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Re: The Great Fantasy . . .
« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2011, 01:07:59 AM »
Didn't Barry promise the 'bots to end all the worlds problems, too?

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Re: The Great Fantasy . . .
« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2011, 01:11:36 PM »
that Obama was going to stick it to "big oil" is breathing it's last few breaths.  

$100 plus dollar barrel oil headed our way, Big Energy controlling major think tanks at Harvard, Big Energy heavily vested directly or through subsidaries in carbon trading systems, alternative energy systems, alternative energy control systems, alternative energy delivery systems etc. etc. etc.

Means "Big Oil"/"Big Mega Corp" is positioned to stuff their  pockets both coming and going.  

Another Obamabot fantasy fail.





Non-renewable energy sources will always have high demand in the economy.  It's just the way it is.  The fact that Big Energy/Big Oil has started to invest in alternative energy systems is great.  Also, President Obama is moving forward with expanding the United States' mass transit/light rail infrastructure.  Portland has a $200+ million light rail project planned for construction over the next several years, which puts people to work and helps revitalize the economy.  Manufacturing companies, steel foundries, engineers, etc, etc. will all benefit from Obama's new plan.  
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Re: The Great Fantasy . . .
« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2011, 02:34:33 PM »
that Obama was going to stick it to "big oil" is breathing it's last few breaths.  

$100 plus dollar barrel oil headed our way, Big Energy controlling major think tanks at Harvard, Big Energy heavily vested directly or through subsidaries in carbon trading systems, alternative energy systems, alternative energy control systems, alternative energy delivery systems etc. etc. etc.

Means "Big Oil"/"Big Mega Corp" is positioned to stuff their  pockets both coming and going.  

Another Obamabot fantasy fail.





Non-renewable energy sources will always have high demand in the economy.  It's just the way it is.  The fact that Big Energy/Big Oil has started to invest in alternative energy systems is great.  Also, President Obama is moving forward with is expanding the United States' mass transit/light rail infrastructure.  Portland has a $200+ million light rail project planned for construction over the next several years, which puts people to work and helps revitalize the economy.  Manufacturing companies, steel foundries, engineers, etc, etc. will all benefit from Obama's new plan.  

lol, great post
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Re: The Great Fantasy . . .
« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2011, 08:23:28 PM »
http://travel.usatoday.com/news/story/2011/02/Florida-scraps-high-speed-rail-plan-pushed-by-Obama/43801298/1

Florida said no thanks, which i assume most states would likely do.  i would absolutely LOVE to have on in KC but know this will not likely happen in the foreseeable future.
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Re: The Great Fantasy . . .
« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2011, 09:02:16 PM »
Yeah, light rail, high speed rail, that's going to move what % of the population, what % of the cargo??

It's a shame Barry is already killing the best form of alternative transportation fuel.






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Re: The Great Fantasy . . .
« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2011, 11:08:35 PM »
Yeah, light rail, high speed rail, that's going to move what % of the population, what % of the cargo??

It's a shame Barry is already killing the best form of alternative transportation fuel.




You can't be serious.  The only shame is that right wing politics are getting in the way of an infrastructure project that would exponentially improve America's mass transportation systems, and put hundreds of thousands of people to work, while also lowering our overall dependence on foreign oil.


http://green.yahoo.com/blog/daily_green_news/24/obama-s-high-speed-light-rail-plan.html


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Obama's announcement today amounts to a promise to choose quickly where that money will be spent. What we know today is that the money will go to projects in as many as 10 regions:

   1. Northern New England line
   2. Empire line running across New York State (east to west)
   3. Keystone corridor through Pennsylvania (east to west)
   4. Southeast network connecting the District of Columbia to Florida and the Gulf Coast
   5. Gulf Coast line extending from eastern Texas to western Alabama
   6. A corridor in central and southern Florida
   7. A Texas-to-Oklahoma line
   8. A California corridor from San Francisco to Los Angeles
   9. A corridor in the Pacific Northwest.
  10. The Northeast corridor between Washington and Boston (already operational)



The plan actually covers most of the country.  The last time America did something like this was back during the Eisenhower administration, when the government implemented its interstate highway system. 

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Re: The Great Fantasy . . .
« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2011, 11:13:35 PM »
Best way to get off foreign oil is to drill the oil that the Libtards won't let us drill. Not the conservatives fault that they don't want to throw down another BILLIONS of dollars for these trains or whatever.

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Re: The Great Fantasy . . .
« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2011, 11:18:33 PM »
Best way to get off foreign oil is to drill the oil that the Libtards won't let us drill. Not the conservatives fault that they don't want to throw down another BILLIONS of dollars for these trains or whatever.



Do you honestly believe that if there was enough oil in Alaska to supply our country on a long-term basis that they wouldn't be drilling there already?  It's almost like you just regurgitate all of the half-baked Republican talking points without even thinking some of this stuff through first.  The oil reserves in Alaska would be enough oil for our country to live off of for maybe 3-5 years.  The best option is to start investing in alternative energy sources, while finding better ways to maximize our fossil fuel efficiency.

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Re: The Great Fantasy . . .
« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2011, 11:25:22 PM »
Best way to get off foreign oil is to drill the oil that the Libtards won't let us drill. Not the conservatives fault that they don't want to throw down another BILLIONS of dollars for these trains or whatever.



Do you honestly believe that if there was enough oil in Alaska to supply our country on a long-term basis that they wouldn't be drilling there already?  It's almost like you just regurgitate all of the half-baked Republican talking points without even thinking some of this stuff through first.  The oil reserves in Alaska would be enough oil for our country to live off of for maybe 3-5 years.  The best option is to start investing in alternative energy sources, while finding better ways to maximize our fossil fuel efficiency.

Well yeah...the tree huggers won't let them get to it.

But building like 10 railroads throughout the nation is going to significantly lower our dependence on foreign oil?

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Re: The Great Fantasy . . .
« Reply #20 on: February 28, 2011, 02:33:46 AM »
You didn't even come close to answering the question Ben . . . so tell us, what % of the people that need to get moved everyday in this country from one point to another are going to benefit from these rail systems, what % of the cargo that needs to get moved every day will get moved by these new rail systems?  (Note to the hyper sensitive Obamabot, that doesn't mean I am against light rail/highspeed rail).

It's absolute fact that Barry is not supporting the  best alternative fuel systems, he's said himself he see's no future in it . . . which means it's something that will not benefit some of his puppet masters like the unions enough. 

In addition, the rail systems you mention will require a massive carbon footprint to construct . . . I guess Obamabots just aren't worried about that stuff anymore.

Tell us Ben, what does government do efficiently??






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Re: The Great Fantasy . . .
« Reply #21 on: February 28, 2011, 06:19:27 AM »
if you try to take a more centrist approach a revitalization of rail is critical to the economic health of the country.  Have a line that runs similarly to I95 and I70 (roughly) would be amazing if it moved people and cargo.  The critical points that would make the plan amazing would be the parts and labor.  If the government was smart and revitalized the rust...err steel belt to supply the construction instead of relying on cheap Chinese steel it could revive a region for generations.  The economic impacts would be huge extending from there.  Yes construction would be a economical trade off, but would be beneficial in the long term.  Rail transportation is much more efficient without a doubt.  Yes it would require an expenditure of resources to construct but that would be recouped shortly from the efficiency of rail over truck and speed of transport.  About the only people who would get hurt are long distance truckers being that the same regional trucking systems would still be needed.  


edit: of course the most concerning question with any major infrastructure upgrades is where the money will come from to pay for it. 
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Re: The Great Fantasy . . .
« Reply #22 on: February 28, 2011, 08:28:56 AM »
Dax, what is the best alternative fuel system? Just curious.

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Re: The Great Fantasy . . .
« Reply #23 on: February 28, 2011, 09:28:28 AM »
I'm so glad that this thread, which is about how delusional the Obamabots are, has turned into a debate about the great things a commuter train can do for the economy long term.

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It's like they're making fun of themselves.

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Re: The Great Fantasy . . .
« Reply #24 on: February 28, 2011, 09:56:46 AM »
Hydrogen fuel cells . . . they're making a lot of headway, sadly the research is on the chopping blocks.   Where it's not on the chopping blocks is in our G8 competitor countries.