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« Reply #24800 on: June 27, 2019, 08:08:52 AM »
Our commits are mostly puds, but at least we're gobbling them up fast i guess?

This.

Studs or puds.....who knows?  But their rankings are almost identical to what we got under Snyder.

I guess it’s better to get them early, but I’m really not even sure about that either.

As I posted earlier, our current 247 composite ranking is higher than any Snyder class.  Likewise, I think it is logical that getting kids you saw in camp is way better than waiting until Dec-Jan to pick over whatever is left.  Sometimes kids blow up their senior year, but I would guess most P5 players were great as juniors and kicked-butt at college camps.

The ranking is due to quantity, not quality.  Based on the current quality (or, perceived quality by ranking services) of the guys we have, I would expect our ranking to end up pretty much where it was under Snyder once all the recruiting is complete

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« Reply #24801 on: June 27, 2019, 08:27:38 AM »
i kind of agree with Steffy, i just hope the 2021 class doesn't suck as much crap when the staff has had a full cycle to work with.

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« Reply #24802 on: June 27, 2019, 08:47:13 AM »
Our commits are mostly puds, but at least we're gobbling them up fast i guess?

This.

Studs or puds.....who knows?  But their rankings are almost identical to what we got under Snyder.

I guess it’s better to get them early, but I’m really not even sure about that either.

As I posted earlier, our current 247 composite ranking is higher than any Snyder class.  Likewise, I think it is logical that getting kids you saw in camp is way better than waiting until Dec-Jan to pick over whatever is left.  Sometimes kids blow up their senior year, but I would guess most P5 players were great as juniors and kicked-butt at college camps.

The ranking is due to quantity, not quality.  Based on the current quality (or, perceived quality by ranking services) of the guys we have, I would expect our ranking to end up pretty much where it was under Snyder once all the recruiting is complete

No, our composite rating (eg weighted average score of each recruit) is 0.8436 higher than any Snyder  class.

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« Reply #24803 on: June 27, 2019, 09:36:42 AM »
It would be nice to snag a few 4* guys (or have them get a bump in rating), but otherwise not sure what was expected. It was a legit concern that we would be getting complete nobodies. That's not the case.
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« Reply #24804 on: June 27, 2019, 09:59:15 AM »
Our commits are mostly puds, but at least we're gobbling them up fast i guess?

This.

Studs or puds.....who knows?  But their rankings are almost identical to what we got under Snyder.

I guess it’s better to get them early, but I’m really not even sure about that either.

As I posted earlier, our current 247 composite ranking is higher than any Snyder class.  Likewise, I think it is logical that getting kids you saw in camp is way better than waiting until Dec-Jan to pick over whatever is left.  Sometimes kids blow up their senior year, but I would guess most P5 players were great as juniors and kicked-butt at college camps.

The ranking is due to quantity, not quality.  Based on the current quality (or, perceived quality by ranking services) of the guys we have, I would expect our ranking to end up pretty much where it was under Snyder once all the recruiting is complete

No, our composite rating (eg weighted average score of each recruit) is 0.8436 higher than any Snyder  class.

Going to the second (or third?) decimal point seems like splitting hairs to me.

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« Reply #24805 on: June 27, 2019, 10:01:08 AM »
It would be nice to snag a few 4* guys (or have them get a bump in rating), but otherwise not sure what was expected. It was a legit concern that we would be getting complete nobodies. That's not the case.

Talk about a low bar!

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« Reply #24806 on: June 27, 2019, 10:34:16 AM »
It would be nice to snag a few 4* guys (or have them get a bump in rating), but otherwise not sure what was expected. It was a legit concern that we would be getting complete nobodies. That's not the case.

Talk about a low bar!
I'm just saying anyone upset at this point is kind of dumb. The biggest concern with the hire has always been the ability to recruit. So far he's shown to be able to recruit with our peers. If you thought it was gonna be OU, UT, KSU and then everybody else... I don't know what to tell you.
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« Reply #24807 on: June 27, 2019, 11:11:32 AM »
It would be nice to snag a few 4* guys (or have them get a bump in rating), but otherwise not sure what was expected. It was a legit concern that we would be getting complete nobodies. That's not the case.

Talk about a low bar!
I'm just saying anyone upset at this point is kind of dumb. The biggest concern with the hire has always been the ability to recruit. So far he's shown to be able to recruit with our peers. If you thought it was gonna be OU, UT, KSU and then everybody else... I don't know what to tell you.
Who are our peers that he's recruiting well against? 


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« Reply #24808 on: June 27, 2019, 11:19:31 AM »
It would be nice to snag a few 4* guys (or have them get a bump in rating), but otherwise not sure what was expected. It was a legit concern that we would be getting complete nobodies. That's not the case.

Talk about a low bar!
I'm just saying anyone upset at this point is kind of dumb. The biggest concern with the hire has always been the ability to recruit. So far he's shown to be able to recruit with our peers. If you thought it was gonna be OU, UT, KSU and then everybody else... I don't know what to tell you.
Who are our peers that he's recruiting well against?
That's not what I said. For the most part we're basically on par with the rest of the conference sans OU, UT. Did you expect more? Disappointment is set up by expectations, so I'm sure anyone dumb enough to think Klieman was going to light it up on the recruiting trail is disappointed. I'm not.
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« Reply #24809 on: June 27, 2019, 11:26:22 AM »
It would be nice to snag a few 4* guys (or have them get a bump in rating), but otherwise not sure what was expected. It was a legit concern that we would be getting complete nobodies. That's not the case.

Talk about a low bar!
I'm just saying anyone upset at this point is kind of dumb. The biggest concern with the hire has always been the ability to recruit. So far he's shown to be able to recruit with our peers. If you thought it was gonna be OU, UT, KSU and then everybody else... I don't know what to tell you.
Who are our peers that he's recruiting well against?
That's not what I said. For the most part we're basically on par with the rest of the conference sans OU, UT. Did you expect more? Disappointment is set up by expectations, so I'm sure anyone dumb enough to think Klieman was going to light it up on the recruiting trail is disappointed. I'm not.
I misspoke.  I mean who do you think he's keeping up with in terms of recruiting so far?  Without looking, I think we're on par with KU and better than Tech.  Like, I'm pretty sure we're probably behind everyone else on a prospect by prospect basis.



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« Reply #24810 on: June 27, 2019, 12:00:40 PM »
It would be nice to snag a few 4* guys (or have them get a bump in rating), but otherwise not sure what was expected. It was a legit concern that we would be getting complete nobodies. That's not the case.

Talk about a low bar!
I'm just saying anyone upset at this point is kind of dumb. The biggest concern with the hire has always been the ability to recruit. So far he's shown to be able to recruit with our peers. If you thought it was gonna be OU, UT, KSU and then everybody else... I don't know what to tell you.
Who are our peers that he's recruiting well against?
That's not what I said. For the most part we're basically on par with the rest of the conference sans OU, UT. Did you expect more? Disappointment is set up by expectations, so I'm sure anyone dumb enough to think Klieman was going to light it up on the recruiting trail is disappointed. I'm not.
I misspoke.  I mean who do you think he's keeping up with in terms of recruiting so far?  Without looking, I think we're on par with KU and better than Tech.  Like, I'm pretty sure we're probably behind everyone else on a prospect by prospect basis.
I'm not gonna dissect each player, but our average recruit rating is pretty close to most of the other 7 in the conference. Certainly close enough that development and attrition are bigger factors than athletic ability.
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« Reply #24811 on: June 27, 2019, 12:56:22 PM »
He put together a Snyder-esque class months before Snyder did.  I think it gives us the opportunity to go after a few 4* longshots instead of trying to play catch up as recruiting goes on.  I hope recruiting will improve over CK's tenure but think we're in a pretty decent spot prior to him ever putting a team on the field.

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« Reply #24812 on: June 27, 2019, 01:18:51 PM »
outside of OT I’m not sure what there is to legitimately complain about.  The corners we have are very solid, RB might need a power back but we have some legit prospects still on the board.  Jeremiah Harris is going to be an elite LB and Hayes will be good.  Talor Warner and Triplette at DT are P5 level players.  Matlack is a very good DE prospect.  Shields and Panzer are basically carbon copies of the OL bodies we have had inside forever.   Will Howard is a P5 level QB to sit behind 3 other solid options at QB.  I suppose the WR and S position lack much star power but we took a healthy amount of quality prospects for those in 19.
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« Reply #24813 on: June 27, 2019, 02:37:22 PM »
He put together a Snyder-esque class months before Snyder did.  I think it gives us the opportunity to go after a few 4* longshots instead of trying to play catch up as recruiting goes on.  I hope recruiting will improve over CK's tenure but think we're in a pretty decent spot prior to him ever putting a team on the field.

Totally fair.  Let's see how it plays out this fall with this recruiting class and then next year.

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« Reply #24814 on: June 28, 2019, 04:12:56 PM »
I have an idea(Knowledge) that none of you have actually watched HCCK's work at NDSU. I have watched 6 complete games and parts of 7 others, so far.

The article from SBNATION makes a reasoned and logical argument that HCCK could take out most of the FBS  --- at NDSU.
At KSU, the success ceiling is much higher.
https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2019/1/7/18170160/north-dakota-state-fbs

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These are four of the six FBS teams to play and lose to NDSU this decade
Recent NDSU “upset” victims that could definitely lose to NDSU again

Iowa
Kansas State
Minnesota
Iowa State
 On the fence

Missouri
Memphis
NC State
Cincinnati
Syracuse
Georgia Southern
Virginia
South Carolina
Troy
Kentucky
Oregon

This is the most middling group here, for me. All of these teams had fine seasons. None is anything near a juggernaut, and most of them lost games to teams you’d generally expect North Dakota State to beat. The only team here that didn’t is Missouri, and the Tigers lost to multiple teams that seem like fringe cases against the Bison.

Would really probably lose to NDSU

Houston
FAU
Arizona State
Pitt
Boston College
Maryland
Indiana
Georgia Tech
Baylor
Ole Miss
Wake Forest
Virginia Tech
Vanderbilt
Arizona
Miami (Ohio)
Eastern Michigan
Middle Tennessee
Southern Miss

There’s some talent and some quality wins within this group, but all of these teams are deeply flawed in some way or another. A few of them have just horrible defenses, and it’s easy to envision the Bison running 45 times for 5.5 yards per carry and controlling the ball for 42 minutes of clock time in a 21-10 win.


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« Reply #24815 on: June 28, 2019, 04:20:44 PM »
I have an idea(Knowledge) that none of you have actually watched HCCK's work at NDSU. I have watched 6 complete games and parts of 7 others, so far.

The article from SBNATION makes a reasoned and logical argument that HCCK could take out most of the FBS  --- at NDSU.
At KSU, the success ceiling is much higher.
https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2019/1/7/18170160/north-dakota-state-fbs

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These are four of the six FBS teams to play and lose to NDSU this decade
Recent NDSU “upset” victims that could definitely lose to NDSU again

Iowa
Kansas State
Minnesota
Iowa State
 On the fence

Missouri
Memphis
NC State
Cincinnati
Syracuse
Georgia Southern
Virginia
South Carolina
Troy
Kentucky
Oregon

This is the most middling group here, for me. All of these teams had fine seasons. None is anything near a juggernaut, and most of them lost games to teams you’d generally expect North Dakota State to beat. The only team here that didn’t is Missouri, and the Tigers lost to multiple teams that seem like fringe cases against the Bison.

Would really probably lose to NDSU

Houston
FAU
Arizona State
Pitt
Boston College
Maryland
Indiana
Georgia Tech
Baylor
Ole Miss
Wake Forest
Virginia Tech
Vanderbilt
Arizona
Miami (Ohio)
Eastern Michigan
Middle Tennessee
Southern Miss

There’s some talent and some quality wins within this group, but all of these teams are deeply flawed in some way or another. A few of them have just horrible defenses, and it’s easy to envision the Bison running 45 times for 5.5 yards per carry and controlling the ball for 42 minutes of clock time in a 21-10 win.

maybe he got better OLs at NDSU than he can get at KSU. he arguably had more talent than ksu at ndsu. maybe he can't attract as much talent to ksu

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« Reply #24816 on: June 28, 2019, 04:55:54 PM »
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maybe he got better OLs at NDSU than he can get at KSU. he arguably had more talent than ksu at ndsu. maybe he can't attract as much talent to ksu

No, it was because HCCK had the Personal Phone #s of the Tooth Fairy, Easter Bunny, and Dumbledore.

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he arguably had more talent than ksu
more wishful thinking

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NDSU just beat Iowa with unrated recruits. What could it do with three-stars?

We know recruiting ratings matter. This hasn't stopped the Bison, who develop as well as anybody and helped turn a late-blooming QB recruit into the current favorite for NFL Rookie of the Year.

No one would mistake NDSU's recent signing classes for FBS-level good. The Bison generally sit between 120th and 150th nationally on the 247Sports Composite, which aggregates industry evaluations of recruits.
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« Reply #24817 on: June 28, 2019, 07:51:52 PM »
If you can recruit someone to play FCS football vs FBS football, I’m rough ridin' sold. I know there’s not a lot going on right now, but I’m very surprised by some of goemawers gE’ing acting like the new coach isn’t making an impact with his hands tied behind his back with nothing to sell.

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« Reply #24818 on: June 29, 2019, 01:01:15 AM »
I have an idea(Knowledge) that none of you have actually watched HCCK's work at NDSU.

Can confirm, I think. I got pak’d watching H3O lose to a d-2 team once, not sure if t was eff head’s or not.

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« Reply #24819 on: June 29, 2019, 02:16:58 AM »
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    I have an idea(Knowledge) that none of you have actually watched HCCK's work at NDSU.


Can confirm, I think. I got pak’d watching H3O lose to a d-2 team once, not sure if t was eff head’s or not.[/quote]

If you don't watch the game film and break it down, how the hell do you know what to expect?
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« Reply #24820 on: June 29, 2019, 07:31:04 AM »
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    I have an idea(Knowledge) that none of you have actually watched HCCK's work at NDSU.


Can confirm, I think. I got pak’d watching H3O lose to a d-2 team once, not sure if t was eff head’s or not.

If you don't watch the game film and break it down, how the hell do you know what to expect?
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« Reply #24821 on: June 29, 2019, 01:19:27 PM »
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Whenever Catbacker blabs about breaking down film this is what my mind hears.

I suspect that your definition of MIND is a grey-coloured play-dough toy that you play with by bouncing it against the
 nearest wall.

You are allowed your own opinions but Facts and Knowledge come from research and work, not sticking your hands in your pants.
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« Reply #24822 on: June 29, 2019, 04:53:27 PM »
You know catsacker 73 may be a N Dakota'on, but I like how one side of his brain works.  It's just pure entertainment.  :Woot:
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« Reply #24823 on: June 29, 2019, 07:03:50 PM »
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You know catsacker 73 may be a N Dakota'on, but I like how one side of his brain works.  It's just pure entertainment.  :Woot:

Nope. I have never been in that state before. Spent the last 50 years in, Kansas, Arkansas, OIl-climb-homa, East New-Braska, and Tex-AZZ.
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« Reply #24824 on: July 01, 2019, 03:26:49 PM »
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