HBBIQ types: Why doesn't Frank target 4 foul guys

[ednksu]

on the other team?  Last night we allowed their best players on a team with a short bench to remain in the game with 4 fouls.   Why not attack those match ups more?  Seems like their are only two logical outcomes.  Their best players are fouled out at 8 minutes or have to give ground on defense an allow us to get to the rim. 

Seems to happen A LOT.  I remember this a lot with Ku and Cole at home.  We never went at that big whitey to either force a call from the refs or to see if he would give ground.  Last night how long were Higgins and Burks allowed to be on the court with 4 fouls? 

Now I don't mean to target outside the normal course of the 'offense' instead we should target their guys with specific plays we usually use.  Guards should target their driving lanes to their side of the lane if it is a big, or we should work for match ups on switches if its a guard. 

[Jackie Moon]

No one on this team drives to the basket besides 95... so theres your answer

[EMAWzified]

I, and apparently others, were thinking it was a perfect game for 95 because of the way the game was being called and a potential matchup on Burks. As for going inside, it doesn't help that our bigs are in constant foul trouble, as well.
Don't know if Frank is a good in-game coach despite his constant player shuffle.

[michigancat]

on the other team?  Last night we allowed their best players on a team with a short bench to remain in the game with 4 fouls.   Why not attack those match ups more?  Seems like their are only two logical outcomes.  Their best players are fouled out at 8 minutes or have to give ground on defense an allow us to get to the rim.  

Seems to happen A LOT.  I remember this a lot with Ku and Cole at home.  We never went at that big whitey to either force a call from the refs or to see if he would give ground.  Last night how long were Higgins and Burks allowed to be on the court with 4 fouls?  

Now I don't mean to target outside the normal course of the 'offense' instead we should target their guys with specific plays we usually use.  Guards should target their driving lanes to their side of the lane if it is a big, or we should work for match ups on switches if its a guard.  

Well, Higgins finished with 2 fouls, so there's that. And Burks was probably guarding McGruder, Spradling, or Southwell, who just aren't at the point where they can just draw fouls whenever they feel like it.

[michigancat]

I would add that if you really want to be upset w/ frank's in-game strategy, be mad at him for being Coachy McOverCoacherson when he called a timeout to prevent a transition 3. All coaches do that, though, because they think they're smarter than they really are.

[ChiComCat]

I hate that we have the stagnant offense for 7 minute stretches and 95 doesn't get in.  At least he takes it to the hole and would score on some possesions.  Not to mention, I think he creates a level of chaos out there that is beneficial when you dont run an offense

[kso_FAN]

95 might have brought some offense, but he would've been a terrible defensive match up with CU's guards b/c of his lack of height. I'm sure that factored in to why he didn't play.

[Trim]

I would add that if you really want to be upset w/ frank's in-game strategy, be mad at him for being Coachy McOverCoacherson when he called a timeout to prevent a transition 3. All coaches do that, though, because they think they're smarter than they really are.

This.  Hard to imagine we were gonna get a better look than we had going with colorado scrambling back on D.

[kso_FAN]

I would add that if you really want to be upset w/ frank's in-game strategy, be mad at him for being Coachy McOverCoacherson when he called a timeout to prevent a transition 3. All coaches do that, though, because they think they're smarter than they really are.

This.  Hard to imagine we were gonna get a better look than we had going with colorado scrambling back on D.

True, but after watching him get ripped the previous possession, it's easy to understand the over coaching there. IMO.

[michigancat]

I would add that if you really want to be upset w/ frank's in-game strategy, be mad at him for being Coachy McOverCoacherson when he called a timeout to prevent a transition 3. All coaches do that, though, because they think they're smarter than they really are.

This.  Hard to imagine we were gonna get a better look than we had going with colorado scrambling back on D.

True, but after watching him get ripped the previous possession, it's easy to understand the over coaching there. IMO.

I don't think the situations were comparable, so I don't understand it.

[kso_FAN]

I would add that if you really want to be upset w/ frank's in-game strategy, be mad at him for being Coachy McOverCoacherson when he called a timeout to prevent a transition 3. All coaches do that, though, because they think they're smarter than they really are.

This.  Hard to imagine we were gonna get a better look than we had going with colorado scrambling back on D.

True, but after watching him get ripped the previous possession, it's easy to understand the over coaching there. IMO.

I don't think the situations were comparable, so I don't understand it.

No, they weren't, but the pattern of "yeah, I think I can/can't trust my SR PG based on how he's played tonight" comes into play, even if it's just momentary.

Plus it's pretty random, had the shot missed many people would've said "boy, that was a great timeout".

[michigancat]

I would add that if you really want to be upset w/ frank's in-game strategy, be mad at him for being Coachy McOverCoacherson when he called a timeout to prevent a transition 3. All coaches do that, though, because they think they're smarter than they really are.

This.  Hard to imagine we were gonna get a better look than we had going with colorado scrambling back on D.

True, but after watching him get ripped the previous possession, it's easy to understand the over coaching there. IMO.

I don't think the situations were comparable, so I don't understand it.

No, they weren't, but the pattern of "yeah, I think I can/can't trust my SR PG based on how he's played tonight" comes into play, even if it's just momentary.

Plus it's pretty random, had the shot missed many people would've said "boy, that was a great timeout".

Many people are dumb and like overcoaching.

[ChiComCat]

Its pretty ridiculous to think of Frank calling a time out and pulling out the clipboard there, "Guys, sit down.  We're about to blow their minds with some Xs and Os right here"

[mcmwcat]

obviously, in hind sight, the over coaching and taking the timeout should have happened on the possession where Jake got picked.  every coach does it.  some are just better than others at choosing when to over-coach.

[BigCat]

Its pretty ridiculous to think of Frank calling a time out and pulling out the clipboard there, "Guys, sit down.  We're about to blow their minds with some Xs and Os right here"

THIS. Trade a good look in transition for the oppy to burn precious seconds and run your non-existent half-court offense? Sounds great.

[sys]

Many people are dumb and like overcoaching.

almost everybody.  and nobody more than announcers and other coaches.

[Stupid Fitz]

Many people are dumb and like overcoaching.

almost everybody.  and nobody more than announcers and other coaches.

It is pretty hilarious when announcers get all over a coach's nuts for a "play he called".  I am also pretty sure that the GPCer guys think Frank should call a different play every time down the court and that it is his fault if they don't score. 

[Dugout DickStone]

Many people are dumb and like overcoaching.

almost everybody.  and nobody more than announcers and other coaches.

It is pretty hilarious when announcers get all over a coach's nuts for a "play he called".  I am also pretty sure that the GPCer guys think Frank should call a different play every time down the court and that it is his fault if they don't score. 

I doubt there are many people dumb enough to watch our offense and think that, after the first 4-5 seconds, there is any particular set play being run.

[ednksu]

Don't get focused on just this game HBBIQ guys.  I know that this game had some great matchups we could have exploited. 

But this is a year in year out trend.  KU game a few years ago with Cole was lost at home because we didn't go at him.  Denis could have drawn 10 fouls.  Look at Jamar creating fouls and match up problems and we completely left that out the last 5 minutes. 

Is this an issue of awareness?  Does he not like fouling out players?

[Stupid Fitz]

Don't get focused on just this game HBBIQ guys.  I know that this game had some great matchups we could have exploited. 

But this is a year in year out trend.  KU game a few years ago with Cole was lost at home because we didn't go at him.  Denis could have drawn 10 fouls.  Look at Jamar creating fouls and match up problems and we completely left that out the last 5 minutes. 

Is this an issue of awareness?  Does he not like fouling out players?

It is prob this.

[ednksu]

seriously.  Why don't we try to make their best players more 1 dimensional through fouls.

[sys]

I doubt there are many people dumb enough to watch our offense and think that, after the first 4-5 seconds, there is any particular set play being run.

it's usually easy to pick out the lbbiq'ers.  they think there aren't plays being run.

[sys]

seriously.  Why don't we try to make their best players more 1 dimensional through fouls.

seriously, cu had two bigs foul out and two other dudes finish with four.  they had to play about 15 minutes from two bigs that they basically never use.  seriously.

[ednksu]

I doubt there are many people dumb enough to watch our offense and think that, after the first 4-5 seconds, there is any particular set play being run.

it's usually easy to pick out the lbbiq'ers.  they think there aren't plays being run.

well in fairness Frank does bitch a lot about them not running the right sets.

[sys]

well in fairness Frank does bitch a lot about them not running the right sets.

yeah, very often there's a guy on the court that doesn't know where he's supposed to be.  and/or something will be sloppy.


that doesn't mean you aren't a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) if you think players are just randomly sprinting to different spots on the floor.