Same old cac.....

[MakeItRain]

I don't think our problem on offense isn't "point guard", it's a lack of backcourt players that can score.

IMHO the lack of a point guard is the reason the front court has underachieved, and why Jake's 3 point percentage is way down.  I actually think we have enough scorers.  Jake, Rodney, and a combo of Curtis and Jamar is enough, the problem is Jake is expected to be the lead scorer and the facilitator.  He's not that dude.

[MakeItRain]

KU doesn't really have a PG. They have an incredible frontcourt.

We'd be 4 games better with either Taylor or Selby.  KU hasn't appeared to have a dominant PG under Self but that is more of a product of the depth of talent and the system and not a reality of them not having a true point guard.

I didn't say we wouldn't be better with their backcourt, but they technically "win without a point guard."

Did you stop reading after the first sentence because I addressed this point in the second sentence.

[kso_FAN]

The offense isn't great and never has been. Its just a lot easier to score when you have Beasley or you had Pullen/Clemente playing together, etc.

But all in all, I don't know how fans didn't expect this from Frank after Huggins. Huggins MO was always really tough defense, rebounding, and then an offensive system that allowed freedom and a reliance on athletic playmakers making plays. Now, Frank can talk about wanting passing and offensive movement, etc. But at the end of the day, whether we run the more traditional 2 post offense with lots of high-low looks or the current 4 out look with cutters/screeners in the lane, it still relies on individuals making plays as much as it does generating a lot of easy looks from some sort of motion or continuity offense. When you don't have great players, or a lot of players that play together, you are going to have consistency problems, especially when you ask your guys to play as hard as they do on defense and hit the boards.

[Panjandrum]

When you don't have great players, or a lot of players that play together, you are going to have consistency problems, especially when you ask your guys to play as hard as they do on defense and hit the boards.

This is what is starting to concern me about Frank.

I'm okay with him having a bunch of fringe 150 guys and upside guys as long as he keeps them around to create chemistry and gain experience.  But if we constantly lose kids because they don't like Frank's style, or we're finding them a better situation so we can find a new three-star kid to buy in, we're always going to be in this perpetual bubble state, and the exception will be when Frank somehow stumbles into a really dynamic player that Art or some other Florida connection funnels to him.

Either you get great players, or we keep the ones we have and figure out a way to make them better.  We can't keep having a turn-style of three-star kids and expect to win at the level we've started to desire.

[kso_FAN]

When you don't have great players, or a lot of players that play together, you are going to have consistency problems, especially when you ask your guys to play as hard as they do on defense and hit the boards.

This is what is starting to concern me about Frank.

I'm okay with him having a bunch of fringe 150 guys and upside guys as long as he keeps them around to create chemistry and gain experience.  But if we constantly lose kids because they don't like Frank's style, or we're finding them a better situation so we can find a new three-star kid to buy in, we're always going to be in this perpetual bubble state, and the exception will be when Frank somehow stumbles into a really dynamic player that Art or some other Florida connection funnels to him.

Either you get great players, or we keep the ones we have and figure out a way to make them better.  We can't keep having a turn-style of three-star kids and expect to win at the level we've started to desire.

Yep. You can probably have a good BCS program with a bunch of 3 star Top 100-150 players on your roster.  But you have to keep them in your program and they have to develop. Of all the concerns with Frank, this is by far the biggest.

[Panjandrum]

When you don't have great players, or a lot of players that play together, you are going to have consistency problems, especially when you ask your guys to play as hard as they do on defense and hit the boards.

This is what is starting to concern me about Frank.

I'm okay with him having a bunch of fringe 150 guys and upside guys as long as he keeps them around to create chemistry and gain experience.  But if we constantly lose kids because they don't like Frank's style, or we're finding them a better situation so we can find a new three-star kid to buy in, we're always going to be in this perpetual bubble state, and the exception will be when Frank somehow stumbles into a really dynamic player that Art or some other Florida connection funnels to him.

Either you get great players, or we keep the ones we have and figure out a way to make them better.  We can't keep having a turn-style of three-star kids and expect to win at the level we've started to desire.

Yep. You can probably have a good BCS program with a bunch of 3 star Top 100-150 players on your roster.  But you have to keep them in your program and they have to develop. Of all the concerns with Frank, this is by far the biggest.

I'm of the firm belief that a member of the current staff needs to leave (I'm looking at one highly paid member), and Frank needs to hire some guy like Bobby Lutz (for example) that had some success as a coach somewhere else, but may be unemployed, and who can act as a knowledgeable guy that Frank will listen to on the sideline.  Someone that can balance him out.

Mike Anderson has Melvin Watkins.  Hoiberg has Lutz.  Who can we go get to be our actual associate head coach?

[kso_FAN]

I'm of the firm belief that a member of the current staff needs to leave (I'm looking at one highly paid member), and Frank needs to hire some guy like Bobby Lutz (for example) that had some success as a coach somewhere else, but may be unemployed, and who can act as a knowledgeable guy that Frank will listen to on the sideline.  Someone that can balance him out.

Mike Anderson has Melvin Watkins.  Hoiberg has Lutz.  Who can we go get to be our actual associate head coach?

I'd take a fired Pat Knight on this staff as a replacement.

[doom]

If we hadn't made top 10 status and the elite 8 last year and had just made the tournament 7-11 seed, we wouldn't be having this convo.  

I'm of the firm belief that a member of the current staff needs to leave (I'm looking at one highly paid member), and Frank needs to hire some guy like Bobby Lutz (for example) that had some success as a coach somewhere else, but may be unemployed, and who can act as a knowledgeable guy that Frank will listen to on the sideline.  Someone that can balance him out.

Mike Anderson has Melvin Watkins.  Hoiberg has Lutz.  Who can we go get to be our actual associate head coach?

I'd take a fired Pat Knight on this staff as a replacement.

   amazing possibility, but Frank is less likely than bill to jettison anyone.  Could Pat recruit?

[catzacker]

jfc on the "we need a 'coach' on the bench".  i mean, JFC.  We need a dalonte with a good relationship with curtis malone.  We need a jerome tang.  we don't need a guy with a porn stache on our bench.  we needed an assistant who could f'ing get us denmon or dixon, not someone that's going to draw up a really, really sweet play.  we already have a 'coach' on the bench and that f'ing dipsh*t convinced frank to use some goddman offense that has us running all the f around the court and how the f is that working out?

[sys]

jfc on the "we need a 'coach' on the bench".  i mean, JFC.  We need a dalonte with a good relationship with curtis malone.  We need a jerome tang.  we don't need a guy with a porn stache on our bench.  we needed an assistant who could f'ing get us denmon or dixon, not someone that's going to draw up a really, really sweet play.  we already have a 'coach' on the bench and that f'ing dipsh*t convinced frank to use some goddman offense that has us running all the f around the court and how the f is that working out?

thank you cz.  the idea that martin needs to hire someone that knows more about bball than he does is worse than Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).


i'm fine with the current staff, but if he's going to trade out three stars that aren't producing, he could apply the same philosophy to recruiters.

[Mixed-Nutz]

Who do you expect to score theese extra points we need this year??? This team needs another big time scorer, and their isn't anybody on this roster ready to do that, none of the soph were role players last year, so i don't epect them to score at a high level this year.

[Panjandrum]

jfc on the "we need a 'coach' on the bench".  i mean, JFC.  We need a dalonte with a good relationship with curtis malone.  We need a jerome tang.  we don't need a guy with a porn stache on our bench.  we needed an assistant who could f'ing get us denmon or dixon, not someone that's going to draw up a really, really sweet play.  we already have a 'coach' on the bench and that f'ing dipsh*t convinced frank to use some goddman offense that has us running all the f around the court and how the f is that working out?

thank you cz.  the idea that martin needs to hire someone that knows more about bball than he does is worse than Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).


i'm fine with the current staff, but if he's going to trade out three stars that aren't producing, he could apply the same philosophy to recruiters.

I'm not talking about someone that knows more about basketball than he does.  I'm just saying that it might not be a bad idea to have someone on his staff that has been in charge of a D1 program before that he can actually get some ideas from.

You look up and down his bench, and it's not like we're talking about a wealth of quality D1 experience.  It doesn't really shock me that this group of coaches looks like they're struggling for ideas and grasping for straws right now.  I mean, what experiences do they have to draw from?  Being an assistant at Charlotte after coaching AAU ball?  Coaching a JUCO team?  I like the staff, overall, but it seems to me that we're in this constant state of development because this is the first time any of them have coached at this level.  Ever.

All I'm saying is that it would be nice to have someone on the staff that's been there before.  It's more than drawing up a sweet play.  It about someone with the resume and credentials to look Frank in the eyes and say, "WTF are you doing?"

[sys]

that's not as Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).  still kinda Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) though.

[Cire]

You know who knows a crap load about basketball?

Jim wooldridge.

[Cire]

What we need to do  isfind the voodoo witch doctor that cursed us after beating texas in 06

[mcmwcat]

what was watkins' recruiting success like at a&m?  i'm thinking he left gillispie with some players.

[michigancat]

what was watkins' recruiting success like at a&m?  i'm thinking he left gillispie with some players.

Acie Law and Antoine Wright were really really good.

[mcmwcat]

what was watkins' recruiting success like at a&m?  i'm thinking he left gillispie with some players.

Acie Law and Antoine Wright were really really good.

thus the justification for watkins on anderson's staff.  i'm all for getting a former head coach w/ recruiting chops.

[Panjandrum]

that's not as Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).  still kinda Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) though.

 

[catzacker]

what has porn stach done for the Mayor?  what brilliant f'ing coaching stategies has he laid on the Mayor?  All that coaching f'ing genius and those fighting assclowns lose more games in the final minute than KSU has conference victories. 

WE F*CKING NEED ASSISTANTS THAT CAN RECRUIT PLAYERS.  IS MU GOOD BECAUSE OF MELVIN F'ING WATKINS X'ING AND O'ING IT UP ON THE SIDELINES?  NO.  THEY'RE GOOD BECAUSE THEY HAVE ASSISTANTS THAT CAN GET GOOD PLAYERS.

[Cire]

Mu has lived off of anderson s fam

[catzacker]

Mu has lived off of anderson s fam

ART ALVAREZ

[Panjandrum]

what has porn stach done for the Mayor?  what brilliant f'ing coaching stategies has he laid on the Mayor?  All that coaching f'ing genius and those fighting assclowns lose more games in the final minute than KSU has conference victories. 

WE F*CKING NEED ASSISTANTS THAT CAN RECRUIT PLAYERS.  IS MU GOOD BECAUSE OF MELVIN F'ING WATKINS X'ING AND O'ING IT UP ON THE SIDELINES?  NO.  THEY'RE GOOD BECAUSE THEY HAVE ASSISTANTS THAT CAN GET GOOD PLAYERS.

One, ISU has a limited number of scholarship players right now.  They're doing quite well, all things considered.

Two, Melvin Watkins is a great recruiter.  He was at A&M as well.  He was also successful at Charlotte before he went to A&M, and he knew the Big 12's landscape when Anderson came in.  If I'm not mistaken, he was a holdover from the Snyder staff as well, so he proved to be a bridge between the two regimes.

However, in my opinion, recruiting isn't this staff's major problem.  They're recruiting on par, or better than, the majority of BCS teams.  If you go look at the types of players they've hauled in over the past four years, it's on par with a lot of perennial NCAA Tournament teams.  On top of that, they've hauled in a McDonald's All-American, two four-stars, and they would have identified and hauled in Tony Mitchell (and probably would have qualified him as well).

The problem this coaching staff has is they run off players and tend to replace them with less talented ones in the spring signing period.  What I'm asserting is that if we had someone on staff that Frank respected, and had some experience, he could tell him that losing Dom Sutton in favor of signing Myles or qualifying Nino a year early was probably a pretty dumb idea.  Signing a player he never plans to play (Myles) to be insurance for a player who never had a realistic shot of leaving for the NBA (Pullen), was probably a dumb rough ridin' idea.

Now, would Underwood tell him that was dumb?  Hill?  Figger?  Probably not.  This is the best gig those guys are ever going to get.  However, a guy like Lutz, or Pat Knight, or any other guy like that may tell Frank to stop doing stupid crap like that, and who knows...we could be better off for it.

[michigancat]

I think Frank and the staff are smarter than you're giving them credit for.