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« Reply #2075 on: August 12, 2025, 04:42:10 PM »
Monthly jobs reports are a statutory requirement. If we would like better data, and thus fewer revisions, perhaps we should restore funding to the BLS.

you are going to enrage some dummies with this kind of talk.

What will fix the problem #slowdug?  Apparently a $728m dollar annual budget for this one little faction of the DOL wasn't enough.  So $1b a year - $2b a year - how much?

For starters, they could bring back the advisory committees that DOGE disbanded. Part of their function was increasing response rates to the monthly surveys and modernizing the survey process. We've also not had "crap reporting."

I'm sure EJ Antoni will be able to navigate these waters, however.

Who measured the effectiveness of this committee and their functions?  Are you implying that there's now a block on BLS staff collaborating with academia and outside sources? if so, please provide a link.

Over 2,000 full time staff dedicated to one function.

Are you under the impression that the monthly jobs report is the only function of the BLS?

No - I am sure there are numerous sub functions.

But in typical you fashion - you keep avoiding other parts of what I am saying and/or asking.  Very onbrand for you and others on here.

Only extreme hyper-partisans don't get the political implications of a election impacting jobs reports - that ultimately turn out to be massively overstated (or understated).  Only hyper-partisans continue to try and pooh pooh away the 2 if not 3 times during the Biden administrations that jobs numbers turned out about to be very very wrong.

They are not and were not massively overstated or understated. Regardless, if that is your stance.. why would we then stop efforts to improve the jobs surveys, institute a hiring freeze, fire the experienced commissioner, and hire this Twitter moron? Seems like that would make it worse.

I don't know why I bother to interact with you. You are ignorant of complicated topics, either unknowingly or on purpose, and yet there exists no area where you don't think of yourself as a subject matter expert. rough ridin' frustrating individual. Have some self-reflection and consider that perhaps thousands of trained economists know what they are doing, if you are able.

Translation - the advisory board was grading their own advice.

Provide a link that says that the efforts to improve the reporting have been halted.  You can't - because you know that's not true. You're just talking out of your ass - and or listening to people who are bitching because they're not the ones being asked to advise anymore.  It's the byproduct of catty ego driven academic types who aren't being listened to anymore.  They get very pissy. 

I don't claim to be a subject matter expert on everything.  I've just dealt with all levels of government extensively including the Federal government and I used to work for the Federal Government.

You can  :bawl: :bawl: :bawl: all you want but the real politic indicates that politicians play up the reports of the here and now and the public responds to that - and the public by and large does not hear about the massive revisions that in this case happened multiple times under the Biden administration - and even with those massive downward revisions Biden - Harris still tried to play up job growth.   

U.S. Added 818,000 Fewer Jobs Than Previously Thought From March 2023 To March 2024, Government Says (Forbes - 8/21/2024)

In what world is nearly 1 million jobs not really existing, not massively overstating job growth?  Besides total whack-a-doo world.

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Re: Mainstream Economics Thread
« Reply #2076 on: August 12, 2025, 04:47:06 PM »

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« Reply #2077 on: August 12, 2025, 04:50:23 PM »
 :lol: :lol: :lol:

We had jobs overstated by over 800,000 and we didn't think that was any big deal  . . . but now we're going to parse and nuance the crap out of everything cus Trump  :lol: :lol:

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« Reply #2078 on: August 12, 2025, 04:52:28 PM »
Dax, do you think it's weird that your favorite "economist" uses a nazi battleship as the background for his podcast?
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« Reply #2079 on: August 12, 2025, 04:55:57 PM »
Dax, do you think it's weird that your favorite "economist" uses a nazi battleship as the background for his podcast?

I've never watched his podcast.

What is the background?

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« Reply #2080 on: August 12, 2025, 04:58:17 PM »
Dax, do you think it's weird that your favorite "economist" uses a nazi battleship as the background for his podcast?

I've never watched his podcast.

What is the background?

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Neither did anyone else until now. And I just told you it's a nazi battleship.
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« Reply #2081 on: August 12, 2025, 05:03:53 PM »
Dax, do you think it's weird that your favorite "economist" uses a nazi battleship as the background for his podcast?

I've never watched his podcast.

What is the background?

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Neither did anyone else until now. And I just told you it's a nazi battleship.

Specifically which Nazi battleship - StalkerBot aka DeflectoBot?




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« Reply #2082 on: August 12, 2025, 05:04:34 PM »
Dax, do you think it's weird that your favorite "economist" uses a nazi battleship as the background for his podcast?

I've never watched his podcast.

What is the background?

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Neither did anyone else until now. And I just told you it's a nazi battleship.

that dude looks creepy af.

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« Reply #2083 on: August 12, 2025, 05:05:03 PM »
Dax, do you think it's weird that your favorite "economist" uses a nazi battleship as the background for his podcast?

I've never watched his podcast.

What is the background?

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Neither did anyone else until now. And I just told you it's a nazi battleship.

Specifically which Nazi battleship - StalkerBot aka DeflectoBot?

the creepiest weirdo one.

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« Reply #2084 on: August 12, 2025, 05:07:48 PM »
Dax, do you think it's weird that your favorite "economist" uses a nazi battleship as the background for his podcast?

I've never watched his podcast.

What is the background?

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Neither did anyone else until now. And I just told you it's a nazi battleship.

Specifically which Nazi battleship - StalkerBot aka DeflectoBot?

Boat nerds say it's the Bismarck. I don't know anything about boats but that seems like a weird thing to display prominently. Do you agree?
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« Reply #2085 on: August 12, 2025, 05:16:35 PM »
If the BLS advisary boards task was to assist the BLS in increasing response rates . . . they failed miserably (or gloriously depending on your perspective)

Why would we continue to listen to a committee that was engaged in a process that saw response rates plummet in the post Covid World - you only get that kind of thinking in . . . government.

There was a clear and precipitous drop in response rate under the Biden administration and it continued throughout the entirety of the Biden administration.  Drops factored in 10's of percentage.














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« Reply #2086 on: August 12, 2025, 05:17:44 PM »
Monthly jobs reports are a statutory requirement. If we would like better data, and thus fewer revisions, perhaps we should restore funding to the BLS.

you are going to enrage some dummies with this kind of talk.

What will fix the problem #slowdug?  Apparently a $728m dollar annual budget for this one little faction of the DOL wasn't enough.  So $1b a year - $2b a year - how much?

For starters, they could bring back the advisory committees that DOGE disbanded. Part of their function was increasing response rates to the monthly surveys and modernizing the survey process. We've also not had "crap reporting."

I'm sure EJ Antoni will be able to navigate these waters, however.

Who measured the effectiveness of this committee and their functions?  Are you implying that there's now a block on BLS staff collaborating with academia and outside sources? if so, please provide a link.

Over 2,000 full time staff dedicated to one function.

Are you under the impression that the monthly jobs report is the only function of the BLS?

No - I am sure there are numerous sub functions.

But in typical you fashion - you keep avoiding other parts of what I am saying and/or asking.  Very onbrand for you and others on here.

Only extreme hyper-partisans don't get the political implications of a election impacting jobs reports - that ultimately turn out to be massively overstated (or understated).  Only hyper-partisans continue to try and pooh pooh away the 2 if not 3 times during the Biden administrations that jobs numbers turned out about to be very very wrong.

They are not and were not massively overstated or understated. Regardless, if that is your stance.. why would we then stop efforts to improve the jobs surveys, institute a hiring freeze, fire the experienced commissioner, and hire this Twitter moron? Seems like that would make it worse.

I don't know why I bother to interact with you. You are ignorant of complicated topics, either unknowingly or on purpose, and yet there exists no area where you don't think of yourself as a subject matter expert. rough ridin' frustrating individual. Have some self-reflection and consider that perhaps thousands of trained economists know what they are doing, if you are able.

Yes, but then we wouldn't all get treated to the Dax Experience (TM), which you can only find right here at gE.c
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Re: Mainstream Economics Thread
« Reply #2087 on: August 12, 2025, 05:18:11 PM »
Dax, do you think it's weird that your favorite "economist" uses a nazi battleship as the background for his podcast?

I've never watched his podcast.

What is the background?

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Neither did anyone else until now. And I just told you it's a nazi battleship.

Specifically which Nazi battleship - StalkerBot aka DeflectoBot?

Boat nerds say it's the Bismarck. I don't know anything about boats but that seems like a weird thing to display prominently. Do you agree?

Having lived just 800 feet from one of our worlds largest oceans for a number of years - I feel I can say with a degree of certainty that boat nerds tend to skew apolitical when it comes to the actual machines themselves.


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« Reply #2088 on: August 12, 2025, 05:20:31 PM »
Ah, just a little apolitical nazi worship. That makes sense.
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« Reply #2089 on: August 12, 2025, 05:20:49 PM »
Monthly jobs reports are a statutory requirement. If we would like better data, and thus fewer revisions, perhaps we should restore funding to the BLS.

you are going to enrage some dummies with this kind of talk.

What will fix the problem #slowdug?  Apparently a $728m dollar annual budget for this one little faction of the DOL wasn't enough.  So $1b a year - $2b a year - how much?

For starters, they could bring back the advisory committees that DOGE disbanded. Part of their function was increasing response rates to the monthly surveys and modernizing the survey process. We've also not had "crap reporting."

I'm sure EJ Antoni will be able to navigate these waters, however.

Who measured the effectiveness of this committee and their functions?  Are you implying that there's now a block on BLS staff collaborating with academia and outside sources? if so, please provide a link.

Over 2,000 full time staff dedicated to one function.

Are you under the impression that the monthly jobs report is the only function of the BLS?

No - I am sure there are numerous sub functions.

But in typical you fashion - you keep avoiding other parts of what I am saying and/or asking.  Very onbrand for you and others on here.

Only extreme hyper-partisans don't get the political implications of a election impacting jobs reports - that ultimately turn out to be massively overstated (or understated).  Only hyper-partisans continue to try and pooh pooh away the 2 if not 3 times during the Biden administrations that jobs numbers turned out about to be very very wrong.

They are not and were not massively overstated or understated. Regardless, if that is your stance.. why would we then stop efforts to improve the jobs surveys, institute a hiring freeze, fire the experienced commissioner, and hire this Twitter moron? Seems like that would make it worse.

I don't know why I bother to interact with you. You are ignorant of complicated topics, either unknowingly or on purpose, and yet there exists no area where you don't think of yourself as a subject matter expert. rough ridin' frustrating individual. Have some self-reflection and consider that perhaps thousands of trained economists know what they are doing, if you are able.

Yes, but then we wouldn't all get treated to the Dax Experience (TM), which you can only find right here at gE.c

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« Reply #2090 on: August 12, 2025, 05:22:15 PM »
Ah, just a little apolitical nazi worship. That makes sense.

If you know boat nerds - it makes perfect sense StalkerBot

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« Reply #2091 on: August 12, 2025, 05:26:09 PM »
Totally
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« Reply #2092 on: August 12, 2025, 05:32:01 PM »
I live less than 800 feet from one of the world's largest oceans, yet I'm neither a boat nerd nor learned like one.
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« Reply #2093 on: August 12, 2025, 05:35:25 PM »
I lived in a hood with a marina on the Inter-coastal - lots of boats and boat nerds  :dunno:

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« Reply #2094 on: August 12, 2025, 05:36:47 PM »
Lots of nazi love on the inter-coastal
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« Reply #2095 on: August 12, 2025, 05:43:02 PM »
Always trying so very very hard . . . the StalkerBot  :lol:

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« Reply #2096 on: August 12, 2025, 05:44:04 PM »
I lived in a hood with a marina on the Inter-coastal - lots of boats and boat nerds  :dunno:

I live between the ICW and the Atlantic. And you calling it the "Inter-coastal" is sus af.
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« Reply #2097 on: August 12, 2025, 06:09:15 PM »
I lived in a hood with a marina on the Inter-coastal - lots of boats and boat nerds  :dunno:

I live between the ICW and the Atlantic. And you calling it the "Inter-coastal" is sus af.

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« Reply #2098 on: August 12, 2025, 06:44:38 PM »
Monthly jobs reports are a statutory requirement. If we would like better data, and thus fewer revisions, perhaps we should restore funding to the BLS.

Don’t use the word statutory around maga they get very uncomfortable and it will guarantee shut down the conversation immediately

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« Reply #2099 on: August 12, 2025, 07:07:09 PM »
Monthly jobs reports are a statutory requirement. If we would like better data, and thus fewer revisions, perhaps we should restore funding to the BLS.

Don’t use the word statutory around maga they get very uncomfortable and it will guarantee shut down the conversation immediately

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