Are road wins tougher this year?

[Porkchop]

I just looked up the road numbers for the Big 12 and it’s really unbelievable.

If you exclude UT & KU the remaining 10 teams have a combined 5 road wins out of 76 games…that’s 6.6%.  Of those 5 road wins 3 have come against ISU.  If you remove ISU from the equation the remaining 9 Big 12 teams are a combined 2 of 73…that’s 2.7%.  The other 2 road wins are A&M over OU(early in the season) & CU over KSU.
 
How do these numbers compare to previous years?

[kso_FAN]

Mediocre teams tend to lose on the road. Lots of mediocre but not terrible teams in this league, but there are also a lot in college basketball as a whole.  Those teams tend to beat each other at home and win very few on the road. ISU looks to be the exception as they become the dog team everyone expected them to be.

[Porkchop]

True...but you have teams like MU, A&M, BU & KSU (sorta) that should win some road games.  These are/were ranked teams.  Then you have OU & Tech who have not looked good at all and they are holding serve.

[sys]

True...but you have teams like MU, A&M, BU & KSU (sorta) that should win some road games.  These are/were ranked teams.  Then you have OU & Tech who have not looked good at all and they are holding serve.

the four teams thought to be good have not been that good.  the teams projected towards the bottom have been better.  if you expand the discussion to non big 12 teams, it's really pretty remarkable.  there is an amazingly large pool of parity.  it's great because it means a 2-5 kstate team (on feb 1) has an entirely realistic chance of making the tournament.  it sucks because a 5-2 kstate team with a win over unlv would prolly have been in the convo for a 2 or 3 seed.

and the diff between the two kstate teams is pretty minuscule.

[kso_FAN]

and the diff between the two kstate teams is pretty minuscule.

Yeah, probably as small as a trip to Dillards in the Manhattan Mall.

[steve dave]

This thread makes me sad.  NEXT!

[fatty fat fat]

True...but you have teams like MU, A&M, BU & KSU (sorta) that should win some road games.  These are/were ranked teams.  Then you have OU & Tech who have not looked good at all and they are holding serve.

the four teams thought to be good have not been that good.  the teams projected towards the bottom have been better.  if you expand the discussion to non big 12 teams, it's really pretty remarkable.  there is an amazingly large pool of parity.  it's great because it means a 2-5 kstate team (on feb 1) has an entirely realistic chance of making the tournament.  it sucks because a 5-2 kstate team with a win over unlv would prolly have been in the convo for a 2 or 3 seed.

and the diff between the two kstate teams is pretty minuscule.

there is a huge diff between 5-2 and 2-5.

[sys]

there is a huge diff between 5-2 and 2-5.

yes.  but not a huge diff between the quality of team necc. to produce each record.

[RonLongshaft]

This thread makes me lose hope.

FYP

[j rake]

Excluding Kansas and Texas road games, if you bet every Big 12 home team on the money line TO WIN $100, you'd be up $2,040. Put another way: If you bet TO WIN $10 every game, you'd be up $204.

The only big losses were K-State (-600) losing to Colorado at home and Iowa State (-550) losing at home to Texas Tech.

[Dr Rick Daris]

Excluding Kansas and Texas road games, if you bet every Big 12 home team on the money line TO WIN $100, you'd be up $2,040. Put another way: If you bet TO WIN $10 every game, you'd be up $204.

The only big losses were K-State (-600) losing to Colorado at home and Iowa State (-550) losing at home to Texas Tech.

now do $1 and $1,000.

[j rake]

now do $1 and $1,000.

$1 = $20.40
$1,000 = $20,400.

[CHONGS]

do a million dollars!

[j rake]

do a million dollars!

OK, but this could take a while.

[steve dave]

So, in summary, road wins are def. tougher this year (depending on how Rake's final analysis of $1,000,000 comes out)

[sys]

it looks like the more you bet, the more you win.

[steve dave]

it looks like the more you bet, the more you win.

hmmmm, I'm going to wait for the ruling on $1,000,000 to come out before I start jumping to conclusions.

[catzacker]

there is a huge diff between 5-2 and 2-5.

yes.  but not a huge diff between the quality of team necc. to produce each record.

assuming your 5-2 means losses @ku, @mu.  even so, I'll go ahead and disagree with this.  3 games is the difference between a good team and an below average team.  that's like saying wooly's 6-10 clubs were "almost there".  they weren't.  when you think you're "almost there" you're usually a long way off. 

a 5-2 ksu team probably doesn't lose to unlv or florida. 

[j rake]

So, in summary, road wins are def. tougher this year (depending on how Rake's final analysis of $1,000,000 comes out)

Still crunching numbers. Please be patient.

[sys]

assuming your 5-2 means losses @ku, @mu.  even so, I'll go ahead and disagree with this.  3 games is the difference between a good team and an below average team.  that's like saying wooly's 6-10 clubs were "almost there".  they weren't.  when you think you're "almost there" you're usually a long way off. 

a 5-2 ksu team probably doesn't lose to unlv or florida. 

in theory i agree.  however i think a general trend in the last few years, which is more pronounced than ever this year, is that very little separates a top 15 team from a top 75 team.  it's notable because it wasn't true for a long time prior to that.

[CatsFan_58]

there is a huge diff between 5-2 and 2-5.

yes.  but not a huge diff between the quality of team necc. to produce each record.

assuming your 5-2 means losses @ku, @mu.  even so, I'll go ahead and disagree with this.  3 games is the difference between a good team and an below average team.  that's like saying wooly's 6-10 clubs were "almost there".  they weren't.  when you think you're "almost there" you're usually a long way off. 

a 5-2 ksu team probably doesn't lose to unlv or florida. 

So in your opinion, where is this team?

[j rake]

$20,400,000!

[Dr Rick Daris]

$20,400,000!

 

sd, chingon, pete, lsoc, et al. - check your pms. immediately.

[BigCat]

there is a huge diff between 5-2 and 2-5.

yes.  but not a huge diff between the quality of team necc. to produce each record.

Lol good grief... Sorry sys time to bail bro

[MakeItRain]

I just looked up the road numbers for the Big 12 and it’s really unbelievable.

If you exclude UT & KU the remaining 10 teams have a combined 5 road wins out of 76 games…that’s 6.6%.  Of those 5 road wins 3 have come against ISU.  If you remove ISU from the equation the remaining 9 Big 12 teams are a combined 2 of 73…that’s 2.7%.  The other 2 road wins are A&M over OU(early in the season) & CU over KSU.
 
How do these numbers compare to previous years?

The short answer is this season does not seem unusual as far as road wins, of course for these numbers to match up you must include UT and KU as the top two teams weren't omitted from the previous seasons:

Extra-Tough At home In Recent Years
The Big 12 was 170-35 (.829) at home overall during the 2009-10 campaign,
the best home record of any conference in the nation. League squads have
won over 80 percent of their home contests in each of the past three
seasons, the best stretch in Big 12 history. The Big 12’s annual record at
home is included below.
Year Record Pct.
2009-10 170-35 .829
2008-09 172-41 .808
2007-08 168-42 .800
2006-07 161-44 .785

The road wins should end up somewhere in the 30's by year's end, it would not surprise me to see the number closer to 40.  The number of road wins thus far, including KU and UT, is 13.  I realize that we are only at 13 wins halfway through, but I attribute that to scheduling anomalies more than anything else.  KSU, MU, Baylor, and A&M have combined for 2 road wins, no shot that continues through the second half of the season.  Too many trips to Ames, Lincoln, Lubbock, and Norman for that trend to continue.

What is interesting is that throughout the history of the conference home teams seem to get stronger.

2005-06 149-41 .784
2004-05 154-44 .778
2003-04 149-41 .784
2002-03 152-36 .809
2001-02 144-44 .766
2000-01 133-42 .760
1999-00 136-47 .743
1998-99 128-51 .715
1997-98 136-44 .756
1996-97 144-37 .796

Source is the Big 12 media guide page 7 http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=10410&ATCLID=205011460

By the way, Nebraska absolutely blows, it is inconceivable to me that ISU may be worse than NU.  Their home schedule is brutal the rest of the way, they will win no more than 1 home game the rest of the way.