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« on: February 02, 2011, 03:43:39 PM »
I'm having a hard time with this. I'm sure our class has some decent players and maybe a very few that will truly shine. However, its obvious we're never going to get a really great talent class w/ Snyder and his staff. So do I hope that OB can coach them up to the point where we maybe get an 8 or 9 win season, or do I resign myself to the fact that the best thing is for us to get bad enough that it forces Snyds out, and then we go into transition mode and more mediocrity for a few more years?

It's kind of   :blindfold: on the one hand and  :frown: on the other. Anyone else feeling the same, or is it just me?


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Re: Stuck
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2011, 03:45:28 PM »
Snyder will never be forced out. No matter what.

Never, ever, ever.

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« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2011, 03:45:56 PM »
everybody here hates old ballz and has no problem saying so.  go back to gopowercat and talk with fellow ob lovers.

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Re: Stuck
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2011, 03:46:37 PM »
We are an ag school in the middle of Kansas. Most of our fans and students are inbred  :opcat: dipshits.  Why, if I'm a great high school football player, and not Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), would I choose KSU over any other BCS program? (Besides ISU)

This is as good as it gets.  Quit bitching, pull down your panties, and take it like a man. Get used to it.
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Re: Stuck
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2011, 03:48:16 PM »
It's true that Snyder is incapable of a great class, though.

We refuse to believe Kansas State is, though.

It has to be.

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« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2011, 03:50:46 PM »
everybody here hates old ballz and has no problem saying so.  go back to gopowercat and talk with fellow ob lovers.

This has nothing to do with anything I posted.

Snyder will never be forced out. No matter what.

Never, ever, ever.

Never say never. But I was more referring to something like the fanbase saying "dude, we don't want this anymore" and Snyds is all like "What? The waters will be smoother if I leave? Ohhhhhhhhhhhh.

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« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2011, 03:52:56 PM »
We are an ag school in the middle of Kansas. Most of our fans and students are inbred  :opcat: dipcacs.  Why, if I'm a great high school football player, and not Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), would I choose KSU over any other BCS program? (Besides ISU)

This is as good as it gets.  Quit bitching, pull down your panties, and take it like a man. Get used to it.

How would you describe Nebraska (just curious)?

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Re: Stuck
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2011, 03:55:15 PM »
everybody here hates old ballz and has no problem saying so.  go back to gopowercat and talk with fellow ob lovers.

This has nothing to do with anything I posted.

Snyder will never be forced out. No matter what.

Never, ever, ever.

Never say never. But I was more referring to something like the fanbase saying "dude, we don't want this anymore" and Snyds is all like "What? The waters will be smoother if I leave? Ohhhhhhhhhhhh.

problem is 99% of the fanbase thinks snyder walks on water and can do no wrong.

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Re: Stuck
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2011, 03:55:55 PM »
I'm having a hard time with this. I'm sure our class has some decent players and maybe a very few that will truly shine. However, its obvious we're never going to get a really great talent class w/ Snyder and his staff. So do I hope that OB can coach them up to the point where we maybe get an 8 or 9 win season, or do I resign myself to the fact that the best thing is for us to get bad enough that it forces Snyds out, and then we go into transition mode and more mediocrity for a few more years?

It's kind of   :blindfold: on the one hand and  :frown: on the other. Anyone else feeling the same, or is it just me?

There are no quick fixes in college FB.  All you can do is "get a little better every day".  With this class we have done that.  With HCBS, he will continue to do that.  It may take a few more years, but consistent top 25s and periodic competing for conf championships are on the way.  Changing coaches now would seriously throw that off schedule and could result in becoming a big 12 doormat for years to come.

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Re: Stuck
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2011, 03:56:33 PM »
We are an ag school in the middle of Kansas. Most of our fans and students are inbred  :opcat: dipcacs.  Why, if I'm a great high school football player, and not Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), would I choose KSU over any other BCS program? (Besides ISU)

This is as good as it gets.  Quit bitching, pull down your panties, and take it like a man. Get used to it.

How would you describe Nebraska (just curious)?

And now you have a problem.  No one will take you seriously after this.

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« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2011, 03:59:42 PM »
We are an ag school in the middle of Kansas. Most of our fans and students are inbred  :opcat: dipcacs.  Why, if I'm a great high school football player, and not Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), would I choose KSU over any other BCS program? (Besides ISU)

This is as good as it gets.  Quit bitching, pull down your panties, and take it like a man. Get used to it.

How would you describe Nebraska (just curious)?

And now you have a problem.  No one will take you seriously after this.

Yeah, yeah, I know... but I'm used to it. Not a big deal, really.

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Re: Stuck
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2011, 04:00:27 PM »
We are an ag school in the middle of Kansas. Most of our fans and students are inbred  :opcat: dipcacs.  Why, if I'm a great high school football player, and not Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), would I choose KSU over any other BCS program? (Besides ISU)

This is as good as it gets.  Quit bitching, pull down your panties, and take it like a man. Get used to it.

How would you describe Nebraska (just curious)?

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Re: Stuck
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2011, 04:03:41 PM »
Never say never. But I was more referring to something like the fanbase saying "dude, we don't want this anymore" and Snyds is all like "What? The waters will be smoother if I leave? Ohhhhhhhhhhhh.

Snyder thinks highly of himself.

Also will never happen.

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« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2011, 04:05:36 PM »
I'm having a hard time with this. I'm sure our class has some decent players and maybe a very few that will truly shine. However, its obvious we're never going to get a really great talent class w/ Snyder and his staff. So do I hope that OB can coach them up to the point where we maybe get an 8 or 9 win season, or do I resign myself to the fact that the best thing is for us to get bad enough that it forces Snyds out, and then we go into transition mode and more mediocrity for a few more years?

It's kind of   :blindfold: on the one hand and  :frown: on the other. Anyone else feeling the same, or is it just me?

There are no quick fixes in college FB.  All you can do is "get a little better every day".  With this class we have done that.  With HCBS, he will continue to do that.  It may take a few more years, but consistent top 25s and periodic competing for conf championships are on the way.  Changing coaches now would seriously throw that off schedule and could result in becoming a big 12 doormat for years to come.

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« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2011, 04:26:14 PM »
I'm having a hard time with this. I'm sure our class has some decent players and maybe a very few that will truly shine. However, its obvious we're never going to get a really great talent class w/ Snyder and his staff. So do I hope that OB can coach them up to the point where we maybe get an 8 or 9 win season, or do I resign myself to the fact that the best thing is for us to get bad enough that it forces Snyds out, and then we go into transition mode and more mediocrity for a few more years?

It's kind of   :blindfold: on the one hand and  :frown: on the other. Anyone else feeling the same, or is it just me?

There are no quick fixes in college FB.  All you can do is "get a little better every day".  With this class we have done that.  With HCBS, he will continue to do that.  It may take a few more years, but consistent top 25s and periodic competing for conf championships are on the way.  Changing coaches now would seriously throw that off schedule and could result in becoming a big 12 doormat for years to come.

wut

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« Reply #15 on: February 02, 2011, 04:28:19 PM »
I'm having a hard time with this. I'm sure our class has some decent players and maybe a very few that will truly shine. However, its obvious we're never going to get a really great talent class w/ Snyder and his staff. So do I hope that OB can coach them up to the point where we maybe get an 8 or 9 win season, or do I resign myself to the fact that the best thing is for us to get bad enough that it forces Snyds out, and then we go into transition mode and more mediocrity for a few more years?

It's kind of   :blindfold: on the one hand and  :frown: on the other. Anyone else feeling the same, or is it just me?

There are no quick fixes in college FB.  All you can do is "get a little better every day".  With this class we have done that.  With HCBS, he will continue to do that.  It may take a few more years, but consistent top 25s and periodic competing for conf championships are on the way.  Changing coaches now would seriously throw that off schedule and could result in becoming a big 12 doormat for years to come.

wut

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quit drinking.  seriously, brian, we all want you to stop.

there is absolutely no way that this recruiting class helps us to "get a little better every day."  unless we're suddenly playing in the c-usa.

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« Reply #16 on: February 02, 2011, 04:32:50 PM »
We are an ag school in the middle of Kansas. Why, if I'm a great high school football player, and not Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), would I choose KSU over any other BCS program? (Besides ISU)

This is as good as it gets.  Quit bitching, pull down your panties, and take it like a man. Get used to it.
Absolutely right.  I was in Manhattan from 1992 to 2003.  Then I went to undergrad in MI, law school VA, and now work in CA.  So, I like to think I can speak about the midwest, southeast part of the US, and out west.  

As much as I love Kansan, there is absolutely no way a coach can continuing produce top classes at KSU.  There's always going to be some school with some combination of better climate, better history, more proximity to family, and better coaching.  NE football history is so much better than ours. Enjoy every ball game we win, and every bowl game we attend!  :ksu:
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« Reply #17 on: February 02, 2011, 09:19:36 PM »
When Snyder landed 5 stars, they never panned out. No 5 stars = a good thing. 4 stars are even iffy. Look at Marvin Simmons. Jordy was a 2 star walk on!

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« Reply #18 on: February 02, 2011, 09:28:59 PM »
A good recruiter can overcome any possible real (or imagined) shortcomings KSU has to KU, MU, OSU, ISU, BU, TT, etc.


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« Reply #19 on: February 02, 2011, 09:51:16 PM »
I'm having a hard time with this. I'm sure our class has some decent players and maybe a very few that will truly shine. However, its obvious we're never going to get a really great talent class w/ Snyder and his staff. So do I hope that OB can coach them up to the point where we maybe get an 8 or 9 win season, or do I resign myself to the fact that the best thing is for us to get bad enough that it forces Snyds out, and then we go into transition mode and more mediocrity for a few more years?

It's kind of   :blindfold: on the one hand and  :frown: on the other. Anyone else feeling the same, or is it just me?

There are no quick fixes in college FB.  All you can do is "get a little better every day".  With this class we have done that.  With HCBS, he will continue to do that.  It may take a few more years, but consistent top 25s and periodic competing for conf championships are on the way.  Changing coaches now would seriously throw that off schedule and could result in becoming a big 12 doormat for years to come.

wut

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quit drinking.  seriously, brian, we all want you to stop.

there is absolutely no way that this recruiting class helps us to "get a little better every day."  unless we're suddenly playing in the c-usa.

Tell you what, If you stop being such a negative nancy, I'll stop drinking.

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« Reply #20 on: February 02, 2011, 11:41:32 PM »
Our 4 and 5 star boys sucked because they were JUCO transfers or dude's that weren't getting playing time at there original choice and left.  It's a common theme on why we have such crap luck with high star players.  Thank god for Josh Freeman and James Johnson :emawkid:
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« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2011, 12:18:40 AM »
A good recruiter can overcome any possible real (or imagined) shortcomings KSU has to KU, MU, OSU, ISU, BU, TT, etc.


Wishful thinking! Not true.

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« Reply #22 on: February 03, 2011, 03:19:05 AM »
A good recruiter can overcome any possible real (or imagined) shortcomings KSU has to KU, MU, OSU, ISU, BU, TT, etc.


Wishful thinking! Not true.

I'm more on Michigancat's side here. If you assume that we get a good to great recruiter or two, here's basically how I view the likelihood of us making up ground and out-recruiting our "peers":

ISU - WRSOAT could probably still beat them at a 50% clip. Ames :lol: . 95% chance of out-recruiting ISU with a good recruiter

KU, BU, TT - We have a few disadvantages working against us with these schools, but they're not incredibly hard to overcome with a good to great recruiter. KU is easier to overcome than BU or TT since most Texas kids prefer to play in-state. If BU and TT were in the same state as us, we might be able to out-recruit them with WRSOAT...Lubbock and Waco are basically shitholes, and everyone in Texas knows it. 75% chance KU, 65% chance BU, 55% chance Tech

MU - They'd basically have to go into the shitter again for us to start consistently out-recruiting them like in the 90's. Otherwise, we have some definite disadvantages working against us. They're really getting a solid pipeline into Texas for the kinds of athletes they need to run their system, plus they've locked down their state much better than they have in the past. 30%.

OSU - Maybe we could beat them for the occasional 4 star or two, but they've got way too much money from T. Boone to really let us beat them consistently in recruiting battles. 5%.

Obviously, out-recruiting UT, A&M, or OU would involve them crashing and burning in spectacular fashion, John Blake at OU style, for a good decade. It's not inconceivable that a very good coaching staff at K-State could consistently produce classes right in about the middle (5th or 6th) of the conference, but going anywhere above 5th (beating MU, BU, ISU, KU, and TT) is going to be next to impossible unless one of the big programs falls from grace or T. Boone's money runs out in Stillwater.
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« Reply #23 on: February 03, 2011, 07:00:39 AM »
A good recruiter can overcome any possible real (or imagined) shortcomings KSU has to KU, MU, OSU, ISU, BU, TT, etc.


Wishful thinking! Not true.

No, it's true.  This is a people business.  Accepting inferiority is a lame excuse/rationalization for sucking and being lazy.

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« Reply #24 on: February 03, 2011, 07:28:18 AM »
A good recruiter can overcome any possible real (or imagined) shortcomings KSU has to KU, MU, OSU, ISU, BU, TT, etc.


Wishful thinking! Not true.

No, it's true.  This is a people business.  Accepting inferiority is a lame excuse/rationalization for sucking and being lazy.

Yea I can't understand why people just give up and say well our school is nestled amongst the farmers and cows guess we will just have to settle for the DITR types and hope for the best.  Many top 50 recruiting classes have been put together here and it can be done again.
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