Author Topic: QB Depth Chart, Klein moving back to WR (Read 7606 times)

i poo crabs · « **on:** February 02, 2011, 02:34:50 PM »

Sounds like Sams will compete for the starting spot against Tuggle

The Mercury said "Collin Klein, who played in 10 games this past season, may not be in the mix at QB any longer, as Sams said the junior-to-be is moving back to wide receiver full time."

http://www.themercury.com/k-statesports/

So what's the plan? Tuggle and Sams to see who starts. If tuggle wins, will Sams even redshirt given the depth of our QB position? Or if Tuggle wins, Sams redshirts, and if something happens to Tuggle, Klein steps right in?

I'm hooping Sams wins outright. If he does not, I'm for start Tuggle, redshirt Sams, if Tuggle struggles or goes down with an injury, move Klein back to QB. If Klein sucks, pull Sams redshirt.

Cire · « **Reply #1 on:** February 02, 2011, 02:39:18 PM »

Redshirt sams

Jeffy · « **Reply #2 on:** February 02, 2011, 02:48:43 PM »

Good programs don't redshirt talent.

Oh wait....

i poo crabs · « **Reply #3 on:** February 02, 2011, 02:52:25 PM »

Quote from: Cire on February 02, 2011, 02:39:18 PM

Redshirt sams

If he's better than Tuggle, start him.

jtksu · « **Reply #4 on:** February 02, 2011, 02:53:56 PM »

eff redshirting Sams. It's not like we have any other options, outside of SLamur. Even if Tuggle wins the job, we can put Sams in for a few snaps every game.

steve dave · « **Reply #5 on:** February 02, 2011, 02:55:52 PM »

Plus, Sams is prolly one of the top 3 WRs on our team right now anyway

i poo crabs · « **Reply #6 on:** February 02, 2011, 03:01:54 PM »

Quote from: steve dave on February 02, 2011, 02:55:52 PM

Plus, Sams is prolly one of the top 3 WRs on our team right now anyway

I think our WRs are actually a strength of the team.

Post injury Broderick Smith was the best
Chris Harper played very well towards the end of the season and the bowl game.
Thompson played well as well.

Sams might be in the top 3. Since we lack a 4th receiver, and because of his talent, I'd like to see him used as often as possible.

jtksu · « **Reply #7 on:** February 02, 2011, 03:05:07 PM »

Sams needs to either take all his snaps @ QB or he needs to be a fulltime WR. Dude is way too raw to spend his time bouncing from from position to position. I'd use him in the wildcat because I don't Bryce can throw the ball worth a crap.

i poo crabs · « **Reply #8 on:** February 02, 2011, 03:09:38 PM »

Quote from: jtksu on February 02, 2011, 03:05:07 PM

Sams needs to either take all his snaps @ QB or he needs to be a fulltime WR. Dude is way too raw to spend his time bouncing from from position to position. I'd use him in the wildcat because I don't Bryce can throw the ball worth a cac.

That's true. We should develop him only as a QB. If he's not good enough this year, redshirt. If he's the best option we have, start him.

jtksu · « **Reply #9 on:** February 02, 2011, 03:13:19 PM »

Dude, we don't have any other QBs with Cosh and CCQ gone and Klein @ WR. Unless we're cool with SLamur as our backup (we're not) then we need Sams ready. I'm not worried about 5 years from now, I'm worried about this year and next year.

jtksu · « **Reply #10 on:** February 02, 2011, 03:26:42 PM »

Unless Pease can play the backup role...he could definitely play wildcat for us but I was pretty sure he was not going to play QB for us. Moving Klein to WR definitely suggests that Snyder is expecting one of the incoming guys to start and the other to back him up.

Benja · « **Reply #11 on:** February 02, 2011, 03:28:51 PM »

Do people really think Snyder is going to start a true frosh at QB?

MobDeep · « **Reply #12 on:** February 02, 2011, 03:32:04 PM »

Pease would probably run the wildcat for us, although bryce actually has a cannon (not that I would want him playing QB or anything, but for a RB he actually has a hell of an arm.) We could RS Sams, start Tuggle, Lamur as #2 (if he can learn the plays... he was probably the most skilled QB on the roster last year, he just didn't know the playbook.) and Klein as #3. Pease could be used in there sparingly.

Panjandrum · « **Reply #13 on:** February 02, 2011, 03:33:26 PM »

If I were a betting man, this is how it's going to shake out:

1 - Tuggle (JR)
2 - Lamur (SR)
3 - Sams (RS - FR)

Next year we'll end up bringing some other 5.4 2-star in to develop behind Sams. Prolly some kid from Wichita, KC, or Missouri.

PoetWarrior · « **Reply #14 on:** February 02, 2011, 03:42:17 PM »

Definitely no QB for Pease. Snyder says DB.

I agree, this time.

KSUTOMMY · « **Reply #15 on:** February 02, 2011, 03:42:54 PM »

Quote from: Benja on February 02, 2011, 03:28:51 PM

Do people really think Snyder is going to start a true frosh at QB?

This is it... not a chance OBz starts a true FR, I'd like to see it, but it wont happen.

kstatefreak42 · « **Reply #16 on:** February 02, 2011, 03:50:30 PM »

Weird. I called that klein will b a wr! And tuggle will start...followed by Lamur...then sams......and angelo pease is going to play rb

PoetWarrior · « **Reply #17 on:** February 02, 2011, 04:07:57 PM »

I'd be surprised if Klein moves back to WR this year.

However, they do seem to hate him as a QB and B., it would be an encouraging sign.

PoetWarrior · « **Reply #18 on:** February 02, 2011, 04:08:52 PM »

He's also the only white QB left, so that gives him the inside track.

i poo crabs · « **Reply #19 on:** February 02, 2011, 04:28:17 PM »

Quote from: MobDeep on February 02, 2011, 03:32:04 PM

Lamur as #2 (if he can learn the plays... he was probably the most skilled QB on the roster last year, he just didn't know the playbook.)

Really?

MobDeep · « **Reply #20 on:** February 02, 2011, 04:35:49 PM »

Quote from: ninglu86 on February 02, 2011, 04:28:17 PM

Quote from: MobDeep on February 02, 2011, 03:32:04 PM
Lamur as #2 (if he can learn the plays... he was probably the most skilled QB on the roster last year, he just didn't know the playbook.)
Really?

Seriously. he was the scout team player of the year two years ago because he would shred the #1 defense day in and day out. He has a much stronger arm than CCQ, not as accurate during practice (Carson always looked good during practice because he knew nobody could hit him so he would step into his throws.) He is quicker than Klein with his feet and he has a quick, compact release unlike Klein's ungodly slow drawn out one. His decision making was questionable, but he was more of the playmaking, high risk, high reward type of QB who could make some huge plays, but also force the ball alot and create turnovers. With a guy like DT, we didn't need a huge playmaker at QB, just a guy who could manage the game. All things aside, he is deadly running the read option, and it honestly wouldn't surprise me to see him compete for the #1 job with Tuggs.

i poo crabs · « **Reply #21 on:** February 02, 2011, 04:38:10 PM »

Quote from: MobDeep on February 02, 2011, 04:35:49 PM

Quote from: ninglu86 on February 02, 2011, 04:28:17 PM
Quote from: MobDeep on February 02, 2011, 03:32:04 PM
Lamur as #2 (if he can learn the plays... he was probably the most skilled QB on the roster last year, he just didn't know the playbook.)
Really?

Seriously. he was the scout team player of the year two years ago because he would shred the #1 defense day in and day out. He has a much stronger arm than CCQ, not as accurate during practice (Carson always looked good during practice because he knew nobody could hit him so he would step into his throws.) He is quicker than Klein with his feet and he has a quick, compact release unlike Klein's ungodly slow drawn out one. His decision making was questionable, but he was more of the playmaking, high risk, high reward type of QB who could make some huge plays, but also force the ball alot and create turnovers. With a guy like DT, we didn't need a huge playmaker at QB, just a guy who could manage the game. All things aside, he is deadly running the read option, and it honestly wouldn't surprise me to see him compete for the #1 job with Tuggs.

I hope you're right. It's just discouraging that he couldn't start in juco. What I did like about Lamur is that he is really competitive. I remember him being ticked off when they told him to take a knee during one of the games.

MobDeep · « **Reply #22 on:** February 02, 2011, 04:40:33 PM »

Quote from: ninglu86 on February 02, 2011, 04:38:10 PM

Quote from: MobDeep on February 02, 2011, 04:35:49 PM
Quote from: ninglu86 on February 02, 2011, 04:28:17 PM
Quote from: MobDeep on February 02, 2011, 03:32:04 PM
Lamur as #2 (if he can learn the plays... he was probably the most skilled QB on the roster last year, he just didn't know the playbook.)
Really?

Seriously. he was the scout team player of the year two years ago because he would shred the #1 defense day in and day out. He has a much stronger arm than CCQ, not as accurate during practice (Carson always looked good during practice because he knew nobody could hit him so he would step into his throws.) He is quicker than Klein with his feet and he has a quick, compact release unlike Klein's ungodly slow drawn out one. His decision making was questionable, but he was more of the playmaking, high risk, high reward type of QB who could make some huge plays, but also force the ball alot and create turnovers. With a guy like DT, we didn't need a huge playmaker at QB, just a guy who could manage the game. All things aside, he is deadly running the read option, and it honestly wouldn't surprise me to see him compete for the #1 job with Tuggs.
I hope you're right. It's just discouraging that he couldn't start in juco. What I did like about Lamur is that he is really competitive. I remember him being ticked off when they told him to take a knee during one of the games.

One other thing, he has a lot of swagger, which we were definitely lacking at the QB position.

jtksu · « **Reply #23 on:** February 02, 2011, 04:43:41 PM »

Dude, SLamur was 3rd string behind GG and CCQ and then behind CCQ and CK. Oh, and he was a back-up at juco. He obviously sucks at QB. He may be a great athlete with a ton of swagger but he sucks at QB. Like much worse than CCQ bad.

MobDeep · « **Reply #24 on:** February 02, 2011, 04:50:59 PM »

I've watched him, with my own eyes, dismantle our #1 defense. The reason he doesn't start for anybody is because he is too Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), and/or lazy to learn the playbook. I would think that in the current situation, he would work his butt off to learn the offense. I could be overly optimistic that he will put in the work to learn the plays, but don't discount that this kid has skill. Why do you think that he would be on scholarship if he wasn't SKILLED enough to start at a JUCO? Something about that doesn't add up.