Unconstitutional

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

What I really just can't understand is how anyone liberal, conserv, Indy, can think it is a good idea for the government run a program of this magnitude. I can see negatives for it being private too, but no way do I have any faith whatsoever that a bunch of career politicians (rich career politicians) can run a healthcare system.

Politicians are not in charge of running any government programs. The health care system would be run similarly to the fire and police systems (those other services you get when you dial 911). Doctors would earn less money, but they'd still make a pretty good living.

I would challenge anyone to come up with a program run by our government that is both efficient and effective.

Rural Electrification went pretty well.

The postal service delivered my mail today in a blizzard.   

How many billion did the postal service lose last year?

It's hard to not operate at a loss when it's illegal to operate at a profit.

LOL.    The post office lost $8,500,000,000 last year and has unfunded pension and health benefit liabilities of $90,000,000,000. Just imagine what our government can do with your health care!

 

[Stupid Fitz]

What I really just can't understand is how anyone liberal, conserv, Indy, can think it is a good idea for the government run a program of this magnitude. I can see negatives for it being private too, but no way do I have any faith whatsoever that a bunch of career politicians (rich career politicians) can run a healthcare system.

Politicians are not in charge of running any government programs. The health care system would be run similarly to the fire and police systems (those other services you get when you dial 911). Doctors would earn less money, but they'd still make a pretty good living.

I would challenge anyone to come up with a program run by our government that is both efficient and effective.

Rural Electrification went pretty well.

The postal service delivered my mail today in a blizzard.   

Lol, the post office???  Pretty much bankrupt. Also, not even kidding, they have lost (temporarily) the last 2 packages I was supposed to get. 

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

What I really just can't understand is how anyone liberal, conserv, Indy, can think it is a good idea for the government run a program of this magnitude. I can see negatives for it being private too, but no way do I have any faith whatsoever that a bunch of career politicians (rich career politicians) can run a healthcare system.

Politicians are not in charge of running any government programs. The health care system would be run similarly to the fire and police systems (those other services you get when you dial 911). Doctors would earn less money, but they'd still make a pretty good living.

I would challenge anyone to come up with a program run by our government that is both efficient and effective.

Rural Electrification went pretty well.

The beauty of this program is that there was an end in sight at all times, and was eventually taken over by private companies.

[Jeffy]

I think I'm going to submit a few reimbursements for OTC meds to my flex spending plan tomorrow, since the bill is no longer in effect.

[Goldbrick]

If the government was really interested in following the constitution, we would have socialized health care just like the rest of the world.

[Rage Against the McKee]

What I really just can't understand is how anyone liberal, conserv, Indy, can think it is a good idea for the government run a program of this magnitude. I can see negatives for it being private too, but no way do I have any faith whatsoever that a bunch of career politicians (rich career politicians) can run a healthcare system.

Politicians are not in charge of running any government programs. The health care system would be run similarly to the fire and police systems (those other services you get when you dial 911). Doctors would earn less money, but they'd still make a pretty good living.

I would challenge anyone to come up with a program run by our government that is both efficient and effective.

Rural Electrification went pretty well.

The postal service delivered my mail today in a blizzard.   

How many billion did the postal service lose last year?

It's hard to not operate at a loss when it's illegal to operate at a profit.

LOL.    The post office lost $8,500,000,000 last year and has unfunded pension and health benefit liabilities of $90,000,000,000. Just imagine what our government can do with your health care!

 

What does the internet destroying the USPS have to do with health care?

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

What I really just can't understand is how anyone liberal, conserv, Indy, can think it is a good idea for the government run a program of this magnitude. I can see negatives for it being private too, but no way do I have any faith whatsoever that a bunch of career politicians (rich career politicians) can run a healthcare system.

Politicians are not in charge of running any government programs. The health care system would be run similarly to the fire and police systems (those other services you get when you dial 911). Doctors would earn less money, but they'd still make a pretty good living.

I would challenge anyone to come up with a program run by our government that is both efficient and effective.

Rural Electrification went pretty well.

The postal service delivered my mail today in a blizzard.   

How many billion did the postal service lose last year?

It's hard to not operate at a loss when it's illegal to operate at a profit.

LOL.    The post office lost $8,500,000,000 last year and has unfunded pension and health benefit liabilities of $90,000,000,000. Just imagine what our government can do with your health care!

 

What does the internet destroying the USPS have to do with health care?

The internet could have been the salvation of the post office had they been forward thinking and nimble enough to team up with all of the largest online retailers early in the game with an API, but they allowed UPS and FedEx to get the jump on them. They have made some steps in the right direction, but pensions and benefits are going to kill them.  Priority mail is great, by the way.

This is the kind of leadership I do not want running my health care.

[Rage Against the McKee]

What I really just can't understand is how anyone liberal, conserv, Indy, can think it is a good idea for the government run a program of this magnitude. I can see negatives for it being private too, but no way do I have any faith whatsoever that a bunch of career politicians (rich career politicians) can run a healthcare system.

Politicians are not in charge of running any government programs. The health care system would be run similarly to the fire and police systems (those other services you get when you dial 911). Doctors would earn less money, but they'd still make a pretty good living.

I would challenge anyone to come up with a program run by our government that is both efficient and effective.

Rural Electrification went pretty well.

The postal service delivered my mail today in a blizzard.   

How many billion did the postal service lose last year?

It's hard to not operate at a loss when it's illegal to operate at a profit.

LOL.    The post office lost $8,500,000,000 last year and has unfunded pension and health benefit liabilities of $90,000,000,000. Just imagine what our government can do with your health care!

 

What does the internet destroying the USPS have to do with health care?

The internet could have been the salvation of the post office had they been forward thinking and nimble enough to team up with all of the largest online retailers early in the game with an API, but they allowed UPS and FedEx to get the jump on them. They have made some steps in the right direction, but pensions and benefits are going to kill them.  Priority mail is great, by the way.

This is the kind of leadership I do not want running my health care.

Don't worry. Government health care would most assuredly have different leadership than the USPS.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

What I really just can't understand is how anyone liberal, conserv, Indy, can think it is a good idea for the government run a program of this magnitude. I can see negatives for it being private too, but no way do I have any faith whatsoever that a bunch of career politicians (rich career politicians) can run a healthcare system.

Politicians are not in charge of running any government programs. The health care system would be run similarly to the fire and police systems (those other services you get when you dial 911). Doctors would earn less money, but they'd still make a pretty good living.

I would challenge anyone to come up with a program run by our government that is both efficient and effective.

Rural Electrification went pretty well.

The postal service delivered my mail today in a blizzard.   

How many billion did the postal service lose last year?

It's hard to not operate at a loss when it's illegal to operate at a profit.

LOL.    The post office lost $8,500,000,000 last year and has unfunded pension and health benefit liabilities of $90,000,000,000. Just imagine what our government can do with your health care!

 

What does the internet destroying the USPS have to do with health care?

The internet could have been the salvation of the post office had they been forward thinking and nimble enough to team up with all of the largest online retailers early in the game with an API, but they allowed UPS and FedEx to get the jump on them. They have made some steps in the right direction, but pensions and benefits are going to kill them.  Priority mail is great, by the way.

This is the kind of leadership I do not want running my health care.

Don't worry. Government health care would most assuredly have different leadership than the USPS.

Kathleen Sebelius?   

[Panjandrum]

What I really just can't understand is how anyone liberal, conserv, Indy, can think it is a good idea for the government run a program of this magnitude. I can see negatives for it being private too, but no way do I have any faith whatsoever that a bunch of career politicians (rich career politicians) can run a healthcare system.

Politicians are not in charge of running any government programs. The health care system would be run similarly to the fire and police systems (those other services you get when you dial 911). Doctors would earn less money, but they'd still make a pretty good living.

I would challenge anyone to come up with a program run by our government that is both efficient and effective.

Rural Electrification went pretty well.

The postal service delivered my mail today in a blizzard.   

How many billion did the postal service lose last year?

It's hard to not operate at a loss when it's illegal to operate at a profit.

LOL.    The post office lost $8,500,000,000 last year and has unfunded pension and health benefit liabilities of $90,000,000,000. Just imagine what our government can do with your health care!

 

What does the internet destroying the USPS have to do with health care?

The internet could have been the salvation of the post office had they been forward thinking and nimble enough to team up with all of the largest online retailers early in the game with an API, but they allowed UPS and FedEx to get the jump on them. They have made some steps in the right direction, but pensions and benefits are going to kill them.  Priority mail is great, by the way.

This is the kind of leadership I do not want running my health care.

It worked for 200 years, and it ultimately failed because of a technological revolution that changed the way the entire world communicates.

If we could get a health care system in place that would work for 200 years, I think we'd do okay.

[Panjandrum]

Also, for the record, I said earlier in the thread that I'm not for a single payer system.  I just want people to buy rough ridin' insurance if they can afford it and penalize them if they choose not to.

As I said, how we lower insurance costs...I'm open to ideas.  But make people buy insurance.

Sorry.  Now we can get back to pointless bitching about how the Government can't run anything and whatever standard rant people on political message boards like to mindlessly discuss.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

Also, for the record, I said earlier in the thread that I'm not for a single payer system.  I just want people to buy rough ridin' insurance if they can afford it and penalize them if they choose not to.

As I said, how we lower insurance costs...I'm open to ideas.  But make people buy insurance.

Sorry.  Now we can get back to pointless bitching about how the Government can't run anything and whatever standard rant people on political message boards like to mindlessly discuss.

For the record, the combination of forcing people to buy insurance and forcing insurance companies to insure everybody will lead to a single payer system, which is no longer working around the world.

[Panjandrum]

Also, for the record, I said earlier in the thread that I'm not for a single payer system.  I just want people to buy effing insurance if they can afford it and penalize them if they choose not to.

As I said, how we lower insurance costs...I'm open to ideas.  But make people buy insurance.

Sorry.  Now we can get back to pointless bitching about how the Government can't run anything and whatever standard rant people on political message boards like to mindlessly discuss.

For the record, the combination of forcing people to buy insurance and forcing insurance companies to insure everybody will lead to a single payer system, which is no longer working around the world.

That is an assumption, and it may happen, but it's still an assumption.

Personally, I like a combined plan where you mandate everyone have insurance, you open up the market to increase competition and drive down costs, and we see what happens from there.

But...that would require compromise.

[michigancat]

For the record, the combination of forcing people to buy insurance and forcing insurance companies to insure everybody will lead to a single payer system, which is no longer working around the world.

Is this really true?

[Dirty Sanchez]

Also, for the record, I said earlier in the thread that I'm not for a single payer system.  I just want people to buy effing insurance if they can afford it and penalize them if they choose not to.

As I said, how we lower insurance costs...I'm open to ideas.  But make people buy insurance.

Sorry.  Now we can get back to pointless bitching about how the Government can't run anything and whatever standard rant people on political message boards like to mindlessly discuss.

For the record, the combination of forcing people to buy insurance and forcing insurance companies to insure everybody will lead to a single payer system, which is no longer working around the world.

That is an assumption, and it may happen, but it's still an assumption.

Personally, I like a combined plan where you mandate everyone have insurance, you open up the market to increase competition and drive down costs, and we see what happens from there.

But...that would require compromise.

That's still unconstitutional.  Forcing citizens to enter into a contract.

[Stupid Fitz]

Also, for the record, I said earlier in the thread that I'm not for a single payer system.  I just want people to buy rough ridin' insurance if they can afford it and penalize them if they choose not to.

As I said, how we lower insurance costs...I'm open to ideas.  But make people buy insurance.

Sorry.  Now we can get back to pointless bitching about how the Government can't run anything and whatever standard rant people on political message boards like to mindlessly discuss.

NO.  If we are going to force people into things how about this.  Instead of forcing people to buy insurance, why don't we just force people to eat healthy, stop smoking, and stop doing drugs???  This would lower costs the fastest.  Better yet, lets close down all McDonald's and Wendy's. 

[Rage Against the McKee]

Also, for the record, I said earlier in the thread that I'm not for a single payer system.  I just want people to buy effing insurance if they can afford it and penalize them if they choose not to.

As I said, how we lower insurance costs...I'm open to ideas.  But make people buy insurance.

Sorry.  Now we can get back to pointless bitching about how the Government can't run anything and whatever standard rant people on political message boards like to mindlessly discuss.

For the record, the combination of forcing people to buy insurance and forcing insurance companies to insure everybody will lead to a single payer system, which is no longer working around the world.

That is an assumption, and it may happen, but it's still an assumption.

Personally, I like a combined plan where you mandate everyone have insurance, you open up the market to increase competition and drive down costs, and we see what happens from there.

But...that would require compromise.

That's still unconstitutional.  Forcing citizens to enter into a contract.

What does the government do to the hospitals that still have to treat those people?

[Dirty Sanchez]

Also, for the record, I said earlier in the thread that I'm not for a single payer system.  I just want people to buy effing insurance if they can afford it and penalize them if they choose not to.

As I said, how we lower insurance costs...I'm open to ideas.  But make people buy insurance.

Sorry.  Now we can get back to pointless bitching about how the Government can't run anything and whatever standard rant people on political message boards like to mindlessly discuss.

For the record, the combination of forcing people to buy insurance and forcing insurance companies to insure everybody will lead to a single payer system, which is no longer working around the world.

That is an assumption, and it may happen, but it's still an assumption.

Personally, I like a combined plan where you mandate everyone have insurance, you open up the market to increase competition and drive down costs, and we see what happens from there.

But...that would require compromise.

That's still unconstitutional.  Forcing citizens to enter into a contract.

What does the government do to the hospitals that still have to treat those people?

Something within the realm of the Constitution.  You know, a pesky little thing.

You seem to be an advocate of do whatever because it sounds good.  If you do that, you have no law and anyone, including the government, can do anything to you or anyone else. 

[Rage Against the McKee]

Also, for the record, I said earlier in the thread that I'm not for a single payer system.  I just want people to buy effing insurance if they can afford it and penalize them if they choose not to.

As I said, how we lower insurance costs...I'm open to ideas.  But make people buy insurance.

Sorry.  Now we can get back to pointless bitching about how the Government can't run anything and whatever standard rant people on political message boards like to mindlessly discuss.

For the record, the combination of forcing people to buy insurance and forcing insurance companies to insure everybody will lead to a single payer system, which is no longer working around the world.

That is an assumption, and it may happen, but it's still an assumption.

Personally, I like a combined plan where you mandate everyone have insurance, you open up the market to increase competition and drive down costs, and we see what happens from there.

But...that would require compromise.

That's still unconstitutional.  Forcing citizens to enter into a contract.

What does the government do to the hospitals that still have to treat those people?

Something within the realm of the Constitution.  You know, a pesky little thing.

You seem to be an advocate of do whatever because it sounds good.  If you do that, you have no law and anyone, including the government, can do anything to you or anyone else. 

So it is constitutional to force those people into a contract? Seems pretty discriminatory to me.

[Dave Wooderson]

Unconsitutional!  The Government needs to stop all actions on this bill immediately or they are breaking the law.  Without a stay of appeal this law can not be innacted any further at this time. 

[Rage Against the McKee]

http://blogs.forbes.com/rickungar/2011/01/31/florida-court-rules-mandated-insurance-unconstitutional-so-what/

pretty much sums up how I feel about it

[Dirty Sanchez]

Hey, look, the regime isn't ignoring courts over just healthcare

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-02-03/u-s-administration-in-contempt-over-gulf-drill-ban-judge-rules.html

Maybe that's because they, like chucklehead shoe-mer, don't believe the court is an official branch of government (unless it suits their interests).

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

Hey, look, the regime isn't ignoring courts over just healthcare

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-02-03/u-s-administration-in-contempt-over-gulf-drill-ban-judge-rules.html

Maybe that's because they, like chucklehead shoe-mer, don't believe the court is an official branch of government (unless it suits their interests).

Why don't they just call the courts racist and get it over with?

[StayOutOfTrees]

Hey, look, the regime isn't ignoring courts over just healthcare

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-02-03/u-s-administration-in-contempt-over-gulf-drill-ban-judge-rules.html

Maybe that's because they, like chucklehead shoe-mer, don't believe the court is an official branch of government (unless it suits their interests).

Why don't they just call the courts racist and get it over with?

I have been thinking about this. Every generation gets a title. I was part of the Me Generation, which the symbol was a Mercedes icon, kind of reverse Hippie peace sign. We have had the Baby Boomers, Hippies, Generation-X, etc.

I am thinking this generation should be the Generation Race Card. Anytime anyone disagrees with you they are a racist, etc. I think it would be a fitting generation title.

So here we go.

[StayOutOfTrees]

Sorry I put a picture of Bush on the card, it was totally consequential, but kind of of does look like him though.