Extremely LBBIQ Question

[Stupid Fitz]

Why can't they make layups and or really, really close shots?  I understand that they don't shoot well at all for the most part, but I am amazed at how many 2-3 feet shots that are missed completely or just roll out.  Frank has said at halftime 5 times that they just need to make the layups, but they still miss so many.  Seems weird.  I am sure it is kind of a fluke, but it also probably has something to do with most of our big guys either sucking or insisting on making a 2ft shot the most difficult shot possible. 
 

[CNS]

Did you see some of the shots they were taking?  Shane's backward finger rolls while crossing the basket, Wally's jumper where the only thing that actually turns toward the basket is his hand while he faces the other basket.....

[kstater]

They've been practicing so much on making FT's that they haven't worked on the layup drills as much.

[kso_FAN]

It is weird, especially since we only lost Lou from last year in this area. Last year we were a respectable (but not great) 49.1% on 2s. This year we have dropped to 46.7%.  That's a pretty significant drop and we do a great job or making easy shots hard and/or not drawing fouls.

[pike]

CK banked a point blank layup off the square and completely missed the rim. Pathetic

[Stupid Fitz]

Did you see some of the shots they were taking?  Shane's backward finger rolls while crossing the basket, Wally's jumper where the only thing that actually turns toward the basket is his hand while he faces the other basket.....

Loved this.  If he turned right, he has an uncontested dunk or layup, but he turned completely away from the basket and shot a 6 footer.  At least he made it    

OK so who's fault is it that they don't know how to make layups?  I seriously have no idea.  Who coaches the bigs to turn away from the basket and make every shot harder?

[Stupid Fitz]

CK banked a point blank layup off the square and completely missed the rim. Pathetic

How about Jake's sweet move to the hoop only to finger roll right to the bottom of the rim.   

[Stevesie60]

The worst was when Southwell jumped up with the ball a foot away from the basket, and then decided to pass it.

[Stupid Fitz]

The worst was when Southwell jumped up with the ball a foot away from the basket, and then decided to pass it.

Good one.  But if he shot it, he may have gotten fouled and stuff.   

[michigancat]

It's harder to make layups against teams like Kansas.  I don't understand why people don't realize that defense can affect layups.

[kso_FAN]

It's harder to make layups against teams like Kansas.  I don't understand why people don't realize that defense can affect layups.

No doubt, but 35% on 2PT shots is pretty terrible. Even against KU.

[kcchiefdav]

It's harder to make layups against teams like Kansas.  I don't understand why people don't realize that defense can affect layups.

Then what's the excuse against CU, Baylor and OSU.

[slimz]

This team has a lack of coordination.  They can't hold on to the ball, they can't shoot the ball, they can't pass the ball, they can't actually grab the rebound, and they can't get their hand in the proper spot to deflect or steal the ball.

I don't know whether it's lack of inherent ability or something that's being affected by whatever is emphasized in strength and conditioning, but they are one of the most uncoordinated group of basketball players I have ever seen.

[michigancat]

It's harder to make layups against teams like Kansas.  I don't understand why people don't realize that defense can affect layups.

Then what's the excuse against CU, Baylor and OSU.

They shot better against those teams. 

[kcchiefdav]

It's harder to make layups against teams like Kansas.  I don't understand why people don't realize that defense can affect layups.

Then what's the excuse against CU, Baylor and OSU.

They shot better against those teams. 

KSU FG% against the aforementioned:

CU=40.4%
OSU=34.8%
Baylor=36.5%

and for the sake of completeness,

aTm = 40.0%

The 42% that we shot against Mizzou seems like a shining beacon of hope compared to the rest of league play, until you remember the 24 TOs.

[kso_FAN]

2PT shots in league play.
OSU: 40%
CU: 44%
Tech: 50%
MU: 55%
aTm: 50%
BU: 38%
KU: 35%

CU is really the anomoly. Against teams with good, long bigs we've made a reasonable amount of shots, against those without we haven't. Then factor in Kelly really didn't play much vs KU, and didn't play at all vs OSU and CU. Plus, in our 3 best shooting games (from 2) Kelly was 50% or better in each. He was 5-16 combined against BU and KU. Then look at Samuels and he has one game (Tech) where he shot better than 33%.

We just aren't getting efficient offense (consistently) from our 2 best bigs, that makes things really tough, especially when we don't hit 3s. Some of that is maybe on the offense, but at the end of the day we just don't have a lot of scorers on this team.

[massofcatfan]

The worst was when Southwell jumped up with the ball a foot away from the basket, and then decided to pass it.

awww, man, I had blocked this from my memory

[Stupid Fitz]

It's harder to make layups against teams like Kansas.  I don't understand why people don't realize that defense can affect layups.

I completely understand this. I am mainly talking about the bigs.  Other than Curtis (sometimes), most of them just look lost near the basket whether they are being defended well or not.  Watching Wally and Jamar get the ball and just jump up, turn, and just throw it at the basket makes me  .  Most of them look like they have never worked on a post move in their lives. 

[chunkles]

The worst was when Southwell jumped up with the ball a foot away from the basket, and then decided to pass it.

awww, man, I had blocked this from my memory

and he was pretty much uncontested, right?  And he passed it to some dude that had two (#?) dudes swarming him and one of those ku dudes got the ball right away, right?  I don't know which ksu player he was passing to on account of all the swarming ku dudes. 

[sonofdaxjones]

We grab and possess the ball worse than a 3rd grade girls church team.   It's pathetic.

[Clevey 2 Times]

The worst was when Southwell jumped up with the ball a foot away from the basket, and then decided to pass it.

awww, man, I had blocked this from my memory

By far the worst moment of the game, except for all the wide open layups/dunks KU made repeatedly.

Southwell has the excuse of being a freshman, what I want to know is what is Jamar's excuse for looking as scared as a deer in headlights on the offensive end?

[skycat]

I don't know whether it's lack of inherent ability or something that's being affected by whatever is emphasized in strength and conditioning, but they are one of the most uncoordinated group of basketball players I have ever seen.

I've wondered about this but haven't seen it mentioned until now. Is Greenwalt overtraining these guys? If you don't give the muscles adequate time to repair themselves, you end up tearing them down instead of building them up. This can affect coordination.

[Clevey 2 Times]

I don't know whether it's lack of inherent ability or something that's being affected by whatever is emphasized in strength and conditioning, but they are one of the most uncoordinated group of basketball players I have ever seen.

I've wondered about this but haven't seen it mentioned until now. Is Greenwalt overtraining these guys? If you don't give the muscles adequate time to repair themselves, you end up tearing them down instead of building them up. This can affect coordination.

As a team, our squads have been rather uncoordinated since Huggs arrived.

[michigancat]

OMG, are we seriously trying to blame this season on lifting weights too much?

[Stupid Fitz]

OMG, are we seriously trying to blame this season on lifting weights too much?

double 

Pretty sure you aren't a huge pussy on the court from lifting too much.